jgood6195 Posted December 22, 2012 Share #26 Posted December 22, 2012 I should have clarified I was talking about the US market. Theyy had a few orders sprinked here and there, but did not really have a presence here until they built the plant, and was awarded 3 test bus awards (Prevost included) by the MTA. So wait, when they were building our newest RTS's, where were they originally located, Canada still? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion VII 4 Life Posted December 22, 2012 Share #27 Posted December 22, 2012 (edited) So wait, when they were building our newest RTS's, where were they originally located, Canada still? The RTS (under TMC/Nova) was built in Roswell, NM. Millennium still builds their RTSs there. Edited December 22, 2012 by Orion VII 4 Life 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgood6195 Posted December 22, 2012 Share #28 Posted December 22, 2012 The RTS (under TMC/Nova) was built in Roswell, NM. Millennium still builds their RTSs there. Oh, for some reason, I was under the impression that they came from Detroit unless I'm thinking of the GMCs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted December 22, 2012 Share #29 Posted December 22, 2012 Oh, for some reason, I was under the impression that they came from Detroit unless I'm thinking of the GMCs. Not sure if this is true, but they did build the RTS in Detroit, but so many were ordered that a new manufacturing facility was built in Roswell, NM. This is me taking a wild guess and assuming that is what happened. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo19 Posted December 22, 2012 Share #30 Posted December 22, 2012 It was TMC who started production in Roswell, after GMC sold off the building rights. TMC continued manufacturing transit buses there until the accqusition by Nova, which I believe was in Q3 (mid)1994. After Nova no longer produced the RTS, it was MTS that took over. Hope this better clarifies and not complicates the situation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailBus63 Posted December 23, 2012 Share #31 Posted December 23, 2012 Not sure if this is true, but they did build the RTS in Detroit, but so many were ordered that a new manufacturing facility was built in Roswell, NM. This is me taking a wild guess and assuming that is what happened. GMC built the RTS in Pontiac, Michigan until 1987 when the transit bus business was sold to TMC. TMC moved the production to Roswell, although some of the bodies for early TMC RTS's were built in Michigan and shipped by truck to New Mexico. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted December 23, 2012 Share #32 Posted December 23, 2012 Its going to be hard to sell this to NYCTA.Nova and New flyer has the TA wrapped around their fingers.all it takes is for Millenium to win a major city order like SEPTA,CTA or NYCTA and they are in business! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted December 25, 2012 Share #33 Posted December 25, 2012 I should have clarified I was talking about the US market. Theyy had a few orders sprinked here and there, but did not really have a presence here until they built the plant, and was awarded 3 test bus awards (Prevost included) by the MTA. Beside the current MTA orders they do seem to be getting fair amount of orders as of lately, this will improved once the CNG version is ready for sale. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailBus63 Posted January 11, 2013 Share #34 Posted January 11, 2013 Nova wins the big CTA order. http://www.transitchicago.com/news/default.aspx?Month=&Year=&Category=2&ArticleId=3133 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickenPotPie Posted January 12, 2013 Share #35 Posted January 12, 2013 Nova wins the big CTA order. http://www.transitchicago.com/news/default.aspx?Month=&Year=&Category=2&ArticleId=3133 Did anyone ever seriously think that Millennium, an unproven manufacturer, had a chance? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted January 13, 2013 Share #36 Posted January 13, 2013 Did anyone ever seriously think that Millennium, an unproven manufacturer, had a chance? Guess people can dream lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted January 15, 2013 Author Share #37 Posted January 15, 2013 Did anyone ever seriously think that Millennium, an unproven manufacturer, had a chance? Just so you know, they had a more of a chance than you think, so don't assume. First of all, they were qualified by the CTA to bid on the contract. However, at $489,000 and a more attractive delivery schedule, CTA went with Nova. If MTS could have been able to commit to a more aggressive delivery schedule, they would have had more of a chance. MTS and everyone else has to remember that they are now competing with a company that created the very product they are trying to market. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted January 17, 2013 Share #38 Posted January 17, 2013 Just so you know, they had a more of a chance than you think, so don't assume. First of all, they were qualified by the CTA to bid on the contract. However, at $489,000 and a more attractive delivery schedule, CTA went with Nova. If MTS could have been able to commit to a more aggressive delivery schedule, they would have had more of a chance. MTS and everyone else has to remember that they are now competing with a company that created the very product they are trying to market. What was MTS price offered to CTA? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerD901 Posted January 18, 2013 Share #39 Posted January 18, 2013 Orion left the market with a good proven porduct (shitty start, but something Houston Metro, TTC, NYC/MTA was willing to continue ordering, big three bus companies). What makes MTS think they can enter it? I'm sorry but I'm loosing hope in this company. I feel like a fool for actually believing in the hype. The longer I have to wait for simple updates the more I lose hope. I'll give them credit for trying, but sometimes the writing is written on the wall. They will be more succesful having a musuem, and maybe relocating to Michigan where RTS was orginally made. IIRC. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgood6195 Posted January 18, 2013 Share #40 Posted January 18, 2013 Orion left the market with a good proven porduct (shitty start, but something Houston Metro, TTC, NYC/MTA was willing to continue ordering, big three bus companies). What makes MTS think they can enter it? I'm sorry but I'm loosing hope in this company. I feel like a fool for actually believing in the hype. The longer I have to wait for simple updates the more I lose hope. I'll give them credit for trying, but sometimes the writing is written on the wall. They will be more succesful having a musuem, and maybe relocating to Michigan where RTS was orginally made. IIRC. Don't forgot WMATA, they used to order Orions in the hundreds. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted January 18, 2013 Author Share #41 Posted January 18, 2013 I stand corrected.... I guess it did come down to delivery schedule and a few other things... The RTS came in less than the Nova. Lets just say the 42.5 foot EPA13 RTS costs about the same as a 40 ft Nova. Apparently the Xcelsior did not have as an attractive delivery schedule either, however these are just preliminary reports as CTA decided not to split up the contract and award all to Nova. This is just a learning experience for all as it was the first time in history where Nova, NFI, and MTS competed for a contract. It was smart for MTS to throw their hat in the ring. Once I get the full picture I will have a better understanding of CTA's decision. In the 11th hour I had a vision of both the 40 foot and 60 foot awards going to Nova. NFI is in the process of delivering LFR artics, and MTS did not submit a bid for those. The artic order is still pending. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailBus63 Posted January 18, 2013 Share #42 Posted January 18, 2013 CTA is probably gun-shy after the NABI fiasco - they will likely do everything they can to steer contracts to companies they are familiar with. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RookiePhenom Posted January 18, 2013 Share #43 Posted January 18, 2013 At the same time, they did split up the order. The 40' are obviously going to NOVA, but the 60' contract is still up for grabs. That might still be in negotiation with NOVA or NFI, and the board will bring that up eventually. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted January 18, 2013 Share #44 Posted January 18, 2013 Don't forgot WMATA, they used to order Orions in the hundreds. Atlanta and Seattle were also large Orion customers for the VII's 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jragland Posted January 18, 2013 Share #45 Posted January 18, 2013 Orion left the market with a good proven porduct (shitty start, but something Houston Metro, TTC, NYC/MTA was willing to continue ordering, big three bus companies). What makes MTS think they can enter it? I'm sorry but I'm loosing hope in this company. I feel like a fool for actually believing in the hype. The longer I have to wait for simple updates the more I lose hope. I'll give them credit for trying, but sometimes the writing is written on the wall. They will be more succesful having a musuem, and maybe relocating to Michigan where RTS was orginally made. IIRC. i hate to say this but im starting to feel the same way Texas A&M Which has the largest MTS RTS fleet is looking for new buses and was hoping to get new ones from MTS This past December however a novabus LFS HEV was seen being tested right before the end of the semester i Honestly could care less for Novabus, cant stand the design but they have been doing REALLY good with all the new orders they have been getting recently I know Texas A&M loves the RTS and its a damn good bus no doubt about it but at the end of the day we need new buses and if MTS is on hiatus or whatever people are gonna look elswhere (as we are now doing) to find replacements I Think for MTS to survive they have to be more aggressive for starters. secondly they need to find someway to cut the cost of a bus because honestly there is no way the RTS is more expensive and would take longer to deliver and think that it can secure a contract from a cheaper and faster delivered bus. Lastly they need to market the hell out of the RTS low floor, people dont want high floors anymore and counting on the Legend to get them back will not work! Im sad that novabus may be Texas A&M's new bus provider but it looks that way because MTS has to stuff to sort out and fast if it wants to survive..... P.S IMO it seems that whatever market ORION left is being quickly taken over by novabus so MTS still has a lot of fighting to do with this new "warrior" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted January 18, 2013 Share #46 Posted January 18, 2013 i hate to say this but im starting to feel the same way Texas A&M Which has the largest MTS RTS fleet is looking for new buses and was hoping to get new ones from MTS This past December however a novabus LFS HEV was seen being tested right before the end of the semester i Honestly could care less for Novabus, cant stand the design but they have been doing REALLY good with all the new orders they have been getting recently I know Texas A&M loves the RTS and its a damn good bus no doubt about it but at the end of the day we need new buses and if MTS is on hiatus or whatever people are gonna look elswhere (as we are now doing) to find replacements I Think for MTS to survive they have to be more aggressive for starters. secondly they need to find someway to cut the cost of a bus because honestly there is no way the RTS is more expensive and would take longer to deliver and think that it can secure a contract from a cheaper and faster delivered bus. Lastly they need to market the hell out of the RTS low floor, people dont want high floors anymore and counting on the Legend to get them back will not work! Im sad that novabus may be Texas A&M's new bus provider but it looks that way because MTS has to stuff to sort out and fast if it wants to survive..... P.S IMO it seems that whatever market ORION left is being quickly taken over by novabus so MTS still has a lot of fighting to do with this new "warrior" Gillig also took some market share after Orion too not just New Flyer and Novabus. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo19 Posted March 25, 2013 Share #47 Posted March 25, 2013 So, I was looking up some stuff online last night, and I have to ask what the hell is this doing here, in Colton, CA of all places? http://www.a-zbusused.com/used_buses/details.php?id=78 I don't assume this was Arcadia's unit, or was it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted March 25, 2013 Share #48 Posted March 25, 2013 So, I was looking up some stuff online last night, and I have to ask what the hell is this doing here, in Colton, CA of all places? http://www.a-zbusused.com/used_buses/details.php?id=78 I don't assume this was Arcadia's unit, or was it? Good eyes Turbo. As for who owned that bus I have no idea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo19 Posted March 26, 2013 Share #49 Posted March 26, 2013 Good eyes Turbo. As for who owned that bus I have no idea. I have a good feeling it was Arcadia. I also have a feeling this bus may have been "inherited" from Nova as the bus uses at least some Nova Parts. Also, it would seem fit if the disscussion of this unit in question continued in the MTS T-Drive thread. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickenPotPie Posted March 28, 2013 Share #50 Posted March 28, 2013 Whatever happened to that 2000 bus order from the "confidential" buyer? Was it canceled or was it complete bullshit from the start? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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