Evaluation of the June 2010 Service Reductions

[Amtrak7]

Ugh that Bx24 really is expensive. But it's only one bus. Maybe interline with something instead of having one driver do loops all day.

 

And that x27/x28 figure is pre-July 2011, the x37/x38 additions probably drove it back into the red again.

[Gorgor]

* I doubt the M5 and M7 are overcrowded.

 

Well you're very wrong on that. They can get extremely packed.

[BZGuy]

Well you're very wrong on that. They can get extremely packed.

 

I take the M5 from Midtown all the way to the Heights on the regular, the only time the 5 is crushloaded is when there is a big gap in between the buses, then the 1st and 2nd buses get slammed and the 3rd is maybe half full. I will admit that the M5 needs a short turn in the in Midtown in the PMs to help out with uptown crowds.

 

IMO, they need to work on the M104....the 5 and 7s run like clockwork....the 104s show up whenever the hell they feel like.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

* You're not going to move me with the "heavy bags" comment. From my home to ShopRite is 1.25 minutes according to Google Maps. From your office to Columbus Circle is 1.05 miles, and I guarantee you I'm carrying heavier stuff than you are.

 

Uh, I doubt that because I carry tons of Perrier and San Pellegrino, which are heavy glass bottles with water inside... Aside from that you're not schlepping up and down subway stairs with those heavy bags.

 

* I doubt the M5 and M7 are overcrowded.

How can you doubt it when you don't even use the routes? That's the most ignorant statement that you've made yet. What are you basing your doubt on?? It has to be the (MTA)'s numbers which sure as hell don't tell the full story. The M7s bunch like crazy now so you have packed buses and the M5s are just as bad. Slow, unreliable and you can often spot two of them running close together as well.

 

* If they're staying in, they're not using transit, and therefore the ridership vanished. If they're carrying bags and didn't use some bus for their trip, the ridership vanished.

 

That's not the point... They're being FORCED to stay in if they don't have other alternatives. This is what these cuts are doing, controlling people's movements who can't afford the alternatives. Last I checked transit was supposed to be for everyone... The first thing that I said when the S54 was cut was that I would be forced now to take the S53, which is more crowded and slower and I said to myself, "Well, no sweat off of my back because I can afford car service, BUT some people WILL be left with no alternatives." The S53 was almost a 20 minute ride with all of the stops and lights. The S54 was a 5 minute ride. Those people who truly used the S54 as their bus were royally screwed over, especially the elderly and school kids too. A lot of school kids would use the S54 especially on Saturdays, as well as folks going to work...

 

* That Bx24 is expensive. It costs $4.27 per passenger on the weekdays, and a whopping $10.47 on the weekends. It's almost as bad as the old S60!

 

Yeah and? One minute you say local bus service should be kept and the next minute you complain about routes that are "too expensive". I would be more inclined to cut service on lines where farebeating is rampid than cut the Bx24, which I doubt has a farebeating problem. Why should the B46 have all of these buses running around and few people paying?? :mad: That's the real crime right there, when you've got thousands of folks milking the system for free rides, but of course you'd support that. You'd rather cut the S60, which served an area with steep hills and helped many seniors get around who are law abiding citizens and who pay their fare and keep service on the B46 which has rampid farebeating and then you complain about the Bx24 being expensive to run.

 

* The B64 is still hanging on, probably due to the Bay Ridge riders (it's $1.85 during the week and $2.03 on the weekends)

 

Heh, well the has done a fabulous job of trying to kill that route... B) I tell you they have really decimated bus service in Mid and South Brooklyn and it's disgusting. :mad: :tdown: B2, B4, B31, B36, B64, X27, X28, BM1-BM4...

 

* They should've included the B44 ridership as a courtesy, to show whether B4 riders are using it to reach the . B36 ridership is down, so it's unlikely a lot of B4 riders are using it.

 

LOL... As a courtesy?? Oh please... They should be forced to figure out what in the hell happened to the B4 ridership in Sheepshead Bay and should be making a commitment to restore it ASAP. If they can't even give a reason as to why they cut it then that says right there what they think of the community. :mad:

 

* After the reductions, the X27/X28 actually made money! The cost per passenger was $3.52 (combined. The X27 was probably cheaper)

 

Oh please... Two more routes that the has tried to kill for years and the only reason it lost ridership was because of the with that ridiculous re-route on West Street.

 

* I wonder how the X1-9 managed to see an increase in ridership. I guess riders came from the X13, X16, and X18 to take those routes.

 

Well yeah of course... You can't expect express bus riders to suddenly just stop using the express bus because the thinks that they know how we should best commute when most of them don't even know a thing about the routes that they cut, other than the fact that they wanted to kill them. :mad: Quite frankly it annoys me that the South Shore gets their service propped up from us in the North Shore because there are plenty of folks that either drive over to Hylan or take the S53 over to Hylan. What they should've done was better analyze where ridership was coming from on the X13, X16 and X18. The X2 really doesn't get packed until about Hylan and Clove, although some of the earlier buses are a bit crowded before then, but there are still seats. In short, it isn't that the South Shore uses their express buses more, it's that the gives the South Shore buses service longer and folks from the Mid Island and North Shore are using those buses instead. Same thing with the X17J. You should see how many folks get off at those first 3 stops there in Bulls Head.

 

That was most certainly my thinking when they cut the X16. I was thinking f*ck them. They're not going to dictate to me how I should commute to and from work. If they want us to use the local buses then provide better, quicker and more reliable service! I don't see a local bus on Staten Island ever outperforming an express bus, so that answers that question. :cool:

 

I take the M5 from Midtown all the way to the Heights on the regular, the only time the 5 is crushloaded is when there is a big gap in between the buses, then the 1st and 2nd buses get slammed and the 3rd is maybe half full. I will admit that the M5 needs a short turn in the in Midtown in the PMs to help out with uptown crowds.

 

IMO, they need to work on the M104....the 5 and 7s run like clockwork....the 104s show up whenever the hell they feel like.

 

Really depends on the time of day. On the weekends the M7 is okay, but during the week is another story. Same thing with the M5 and the M104s still come in packs, so I don't see the point of cutting it back to Times Square. It should run back to the UN.

[checkmatechamp13]

Ugh that Bx24 really is expensive. But it's only one bus. Maybe interline with something instead of having one driver do loops all day.

 

And that x27/x28 figure is pre-July 2011, the x37/x38 additions probably drove it back into the red again.

 

The loop takes 19 minutes, and the headways are every 30 minutes, so you're not going to get any real savings by interlining it, and I don't think you can really interline it anyway: The Bx5/Bx12 have artics (I think) and the Bx23 is MTAB.

 

And yeah, they probably went back into the red after they restored the X37/X38 (though they were probably less generous than they were before the reductions, so costs were kept down). Still, it's amazing that, even for a short period of time, an express route was actually making money.

 

1) Uh, I doubt that because I carry tons of Perrier and San Pellegrino, which are heavy glass bottles with water inside... Aside from that you're not schlepping up and down subway stairs with those heavy bags.

 

2) How can you doubt it when you don't even use the routes? That's the most ignorant statement that you've made yet. What are you basing your doubt on?? It has to be the (MTA)'s numbers which sure as hell don't tell the full story. The M7s bunch like crazy now so you have packed buses and the M5s are just as bad. Slow, unreliable and you can often spot two of them running close together as well.

 

3) That's not the point... They're being FORCED to stay in if they don't have other alternatives. This is what these cuts are doing, controlling people's movements who can't afford the alternatives. Last I checked transit was supposed to be for everyone... The first thing that I said when the S54 was cut was that I would be forced now to take the S53, which is more crowded and slower and I said to myself, "Well, no sweat off of my back because I can afford car service, BUT some people WILL be left with no alternatives." The S53 was almost a 20 minute ride with all of the stops and lights. The S54 was a 5 minute ride. Those people who truly used the S54 as their bus were royally screwed over, especially the elderly and school kids too. A lot of school kids would use the S54 especially on Saturdays, as well as folks going to work...

 

4) Yeah and? One minute you say local bus service should be kept and the next minute you complain about routes that are "too expensive". I would be more inclined to cut service on lines where farebeating is rampid than cut the Bx24, which I doubt has a farebeating problem. Why should the B46 have all of these buses running around and few people paying?? :mad: That's the real crime right there, when you've got thousands of folks milking the system for free rides, but of course you'd support that. You'd rather cut the S60, which served an area with steep hills and helped many seniors get around who are law abiding citizens and who pay their fare and keep service on the B46 which has rampid farebeating and then you complain about the Bx24 being expensive to run.

 

5) LOL... As a courtesy?? Oh please... They should be forced to figure out what in the hell happened to the B4 ridership in Sheepshead Bay and should be making a commitment to restore it ASAP. If they can't even give a reason as to why they cut it then that says right there what they think of the community. :mad:

 

6) Oh please... Two more routes that the has tried to kill for years and the only reason it lost ridership was because of the with that ridiculous re-route on West Street.

 

7) Well yeah of course... You can't expect express bus riders to suddenly just stop using the express bus because the thinks that they know how we should best commute when most of them don't even know a thing about the routes that they cut, other than the fact that they wanted to kill them. :mad: Quite frankly it annoys me that the South Shore gets their service propped up from us in the North Shore because there are plenty of folks that either drive over to Hylan or take the S53 over to Hylan. What they should've done was better analyze where ridership was coming from on the X13, X16 and X18. The X2 really doesn't get packed until about Hylan and Clove, although some of the earlier buses are a bit crowded before then, but there are still seats. In short, it isn't that the South Shore uses their express buses more, it's that the gives the South Shore buses service longer and folks from the Mid Island and North Shore are using those buses instead. Same thing with the X17J. You should see how many folks get off at those first 3 stops there in Bulls Head.

 

 

1) You'd be surprised at what I carry: And there are times when I'm carrying it all the way home. I just said I'm walking 1.25 miles home, and I think that's harder than carrying something down subway stairs.

 

When I go to Western Beef, I'm making a transfer (S48->Richmond Avenue routes) with all of my bags (including my backpack). If I can do that, you can transfer from the M42 to the M104. Not to mention that I still have to walk 0.40 miles back home from the bus stop.

 

2) I said I doubt it. I didn't say they aren't: There's a difference.

 

If I said they aren't, that would imply that I rode those routes. I said I doubt it (knowing what you consider "packed")

 

3) That still doesn't disprove what I said about the ridership vanishing. They aren't riding the buses so therefore that ridership vanished. I never said there was anything good about it. I'm just stating a fact.

 

4) Uh, because there are plenty of people who are paying. Even if half the B46 riders were farebeating, the B46 would still be cheaper to run than the Bx24.

 

And I complain about all routes that are too expensive. Where have you been for the past year???? Whether it's excess service on the S55/S56, or excess service on the BM4, it's still waste.

 

5) Have I ever denied that the B4 needed to be restored?

 

6) What the hell are you talking about? Did I mention ridership? No, I mentioned that they were making a profit (which means that they can never be killed off completely because that would be shooting themselves in the foot)

 

7) Yeah, you've mentioned that a million times, and I've never disagreed.

 

And I didn't see the need to mention the X17J. You know full well I know all about the ridership at the last few stops there.

[Shortline Bus]

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* You're not going to move me with the "heavy bags" comment. From my home to ShopRite is 1.25 minutes according to Google Maps. From your office to Columbus Circle is 1.05 miles, and I guarantee you I'm carrying heavier stuff than you are.

 

* I doubt the M5 and M7 are overcrowded.

On this one, as someone that in manhattan 1-2x a month usually on weekends, it depends on time. Vg8 is correct in that late evenings when there is less service uptown-bound with 6th Ave (M5) (M7)it is standing room[/b as riders mostly tourists use the 'M5' from lower manhattan-midtown.

However most trips on the 'M5' north of 72nd/bway, there plenty of seats mainly on weekends.

 

Not counting the money issue, the 'M5' should be running as a 'limited' on weekends imo also between 72nd-bway and 14th street. Plus more service until 10pm. however on weekdays the 'M5' is slightly less busy as less tourists use. The point i am making checkmate is that the 'm5' can be crushloaded mainly weekends between say chambers and 72nd. On other hand, the downtown 'M5' is slightly less crowded since it travels via 5th Ave between 59th and 14th street which is helped by having the (M2) and (M3)also to even crowd control. So keep that in mind.

 

* I have no idea why they cut the B4.

I think we all in agreement here. At least have the 'B4' terminate at the sheapshead bay 'Q & B" station and extend to knapp street daily until at least 11pm.

 

 

* If they're staying in, they're not using transit, and therefore the ridership vanished. If they're carrying bags and didn't use some bus for their trip, the ridership vanished.

 

Anyway, I got through reading both documents, and here are my analyses:

 

* The Bx7 and Bx10 ridership probably increased because people were transferring between the two routes instead of taking the Bx20, since it doesn't run off-peak. So it's not a "true" increase.

 

B35 via church made a great suggestion earlier in another topic which i agree. The (MTA)should just rename the bx20 the bx7a opearting via the bx10 route but extend the southbound terminal to 168th st./Bway. You can then create a possible 'limited' stop 'bx7' rush hours only between 231st/bway and 168th, with the BX7a(BX20)and M100 providing all local stops.

 

 

* For the B13, there is the chance that ridership was increasing anyway.

 

* That Bx24 is expensive. It costs $4.27 per passenger on the weekdays, and a whopping $10.47 on the weekends. It's almost as bad as the old S60!

No comment as i never rode on the bx24.

 

* I don't see how Bx31 ridership can go down, and at the same time the cost is going down, unless they're reducing service on the line.

The BX31 which travels by or near several schools on it's route is much busier on weekdays than on weekends from my previous busfanning experiences. however i have not rode the bx31 since the june '10 doomsday cuts so not sure the current ridership patterns on that line.

 

* The B64 is still hanging on, probably due to the Bay Ridge riders (it's $1.85 during the week and $2.03 on the weekends)

I am sure a big part of the B64 ridership now is on Bay ridge avenue which is located near several school on it's route. On weekends though, i am sure the bus as it best only 1/2 full which is about 20-30 riders from each trip. Again even if the does not want to restore service to stillwell at least consider termanting at the cropsey ave pathmark/home depot shopping center to help out the 'B82.'

 

* They should've included the B44 ridership as a courtesy, to show whether B4 riders are using it to reach the . B36 ridership is down, so it's unlikely a lot of B4 riders are using it.

I agree. My gut from reading this report is that former b4 riders along emmmons between knapp and the sheapshead station are either driving or using taxi/car service.

 

* After the reductions, the X27/X28 actually made money! The cost per passenger was $3.52 (combined. The X27 was probably cheaper)

 

When the fiscal crisis is over, hopefully restoring at least hourly saturday

x27/28 will occur as ridership was actually descent. Sunday service X27/28 was dead and unless the ridership changes, it should never comes back.

 

 

* I knew M98 ridership would decrease. It's down to $4.48 per passenger, which is enough to include it in the next round of cuts.

If doomsday II cuts occurs, i can see the mta trying to kill off the 'm98' for good.

 

 

On a side note, I wonder if M101/102/103 ridership shifted to the M15, as the 3 routes saw a decrease.

No doubt, the 'm15' getting SBS service has played a role in it.

 

 

* I wonder why weekend Q27 service saw the increase in ridership, but also an increase in the cost per rider. The increase must've been really peaked, or else the cost wouldn't have increased that much (from $1.58 to $2.13)

 

* They say that they want to decrease midday service on the S66, but it already runs every 30 minutes. Maybe they mean on the shoulder periods.

 

* They should've mentioned SIR ridership (and S51 ridership) when talking about the S76. There was a net loss of 1,539 riders (when you consider the ones that shifted to the S74 and S78), and I'm sure when you count the S51 and SIR, that number goes down even further.

 

I'd say the total loss was around 600 riders.

 

* I wonder how the X1-9 managed to see an increase in ridership. I guess riders came from the X13, X16, and X18 to take those routes.

 

* It looks like the BxM4 streamlining was a good choice. Ridership pretty much remained constant, and the cost on the BxM3 and the BxM4 decreased slightly.

 

I still believe that the bxm4 should be revised and extended to empire city/yonkers raceway to replace basically now a peak hour only bxm4c.

I also believe that the first stop/last stop in bronx on the bxm4 should be on fordham road/concourse. It would help in relieve overcrowding on the bee line #20 and 21 for casino customers living in manhattan.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[checkmatechamp13]

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* Again, are they crushloaded as people have to push past each other to move around, or do they just have 10 standees or something?

 

* Like BrooklynBus said, going to Sheepshead Bay on the would be much simpler than ending at CI Hospital.

 

Maybe to keep the costs down, service can run every 30 minutes off-peak instead of every 20 minutes. If buses become overcrowded, service would have to be added back, so it would end up being back to what it used to be.

 

* I can't really comment on the Bx7A, but I guess it might work.

 

* Well, the decrease was small (I believe it was 84 passengers), so it's no big deal.

 

Now that I think about it, some of them might have shifted to the BxM4.

 

* I'm too lazy to calculate the ridership per bus, but $2 per passenger still isn't too bad.

 

* I could agree for hourly Saturday service on both routes.

 

* Yeah, I can see that happening too. Since it doesn't serve East Midtown, that defeats the original purpose of the route.

 

The problem is that, while it probably didn't save much time going from Washington Heights to East Midtown (over taking the subway to a crosstown bus), it would save time going from Washington Heights to East Harlem.

 

* Well, it's a good thing if riders are shifting to the faster service, as it's cheaper for the MTA to operate.

 

* I could agree with the BxM4 comment. It would probably help ridership overall.

[Shortline Bus]

* Again, are they crushloaded as people have to push past each other to move around, or do they just have 10 standees or something?.

 

Checkmate (i only rode the m5/m7 1-2x on a weekday since the june '10 cuts)on most of my trips on the uptown 'm5' especially on a saturday evening between 4-10pm, it's about 8-10 standees between 14th/6th and 72nd/bway. On occasion if the m5 is delayed and has bunching then it become crushloaded.

[Amtrak7]

The fact they left off the Q76 is giving me the wrong signs, as that was a route with hard alternatives.

[Q43LTD]

Another BS statement:

 

When service cuts are driven by the need to reduce costs, such customer impacts are essentially unavoidable

 

Wow , you just keep coming up with more bs findings to save your asses! Don't worry, you'll all get your bonus money by the end of the year

[B35 via Church]

Another BS statement:

 

When service cuts are driven by the need to reduce costs, such customer impacts are essentially unavoidable

 

Wow , you just keep coming up with more bs findings to save your asses! Don't worry, you'll all get your bonus money by the end of the year

 

The operative word in that statement, is the very first word.

 

You mean to tell me there's ANOTHER factor the MTA uses when considering service cuts.... really?

There's another reason the MTA considers making service cuts that ISN'T money related.....

 

LMFAO... lemme sign off for now on that note...... Learn something everyday !

[Amtrak7]

The operative word in that statement, is the very first word.

 

You mean to tell me there's ANOTHER factor the MTA uses when considering service cuts.... really?

There's another reason the MTA considers making service cuts that ISN'T money related.....

 

LMFAO... lemme sign off for now on that note...... Learn something everyday !

 

The other reason the MTA makes service cuts is to maintain loading guidelines, while intertwined with money, it has been done before without considering money as the first reason.

[qjtransitmaster]

Uh, I doubt that because I carry tons of Perrier and San Pellegrino, which are heavy glass bottles with water inside... Aside from that you're not schlepping up and down subway stairs with those heavy bags.

 

 

How can you doubt it when you don't even use the routes? That's the most ignorant statement that you've made yet. What are you basing your doubt on?? It has to be the (MTA)'s numbers which sure as hell don't tell the full story. The M7s bunch like crazy now so you have packed buses and the M5s are just as bad. Slow, unreliable and you can often spot two of them running close together as well.

 

 

 

That's not the point... They're being FORCED to stay in if they don't have other alternatives. This is what these cuts are doing, controlling people's movements who can't afford the alternatives. Last I checked transit was supposed to be for everyone... The first thing that I said when the S54 was cut was that I would be forced now to take the S53, which is more crowded and slower and I said to myself, "Well, no sweat off of my back because I can afford car service, BUT some people WILL be left with no alternatives." The S53 was almost a 20 minute ride with all of the stops and lights. The S54 was a 5 minute ride. Those people who truly used the S54 as their bus were royally screwed over, especially the elderly and school kids too. A lot of school kids would use the S54 especially on Saturdays, as well as folks going to work...

What did S54 do that was simlilar to S53??? ppl have to take S53 instead of S54 from where to where???Yeah and? One minute you say local bus service should be kept and the next minute you complain about routes that are "too expensive". I would be more inclined to cut service on lines where farebeating is rampid than cut the Bx24, which I doubt has a farebeating problem. Why should the B46 have all of these buses running around and few people paying?? :mad: That's the real crime right there, when you've got thousands of folks milking the system for free rides, but of course you'd support that. You'd rather cut the S60, which served an area with steep hills and helped many seniors get around who are law abiding citizens and who pay their fare and keep service on the B46 which has rampid farebeating and then you complain about the Bx24 being expensive to run.

 

 

 

Heh, well the has done a fabulous job of trying to kill that route... B) I tell you they have really decimated bus service in Mid and South Brooklyn and it's disgusting. :mad: :tdown: B2, B4, B31, B36, B64, X27, X28, BM1-BM4...

 

 

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LOL... As a courtesy?? Oh please... They should be forced to figure out what in the hell happened to the B4 ridership in Sheepshead Bay and should be making a commitment to restore it ASAP. If they can't even give a reason as to why they cut it then that says right there what they think of the community. :mad:

 

 

 

Oh please... Two more routes that the has tried to kill for years and the only reason it lost ridership was because of the with that ridiculous re-route on West Street.

 

 

 

Well yeah of course... You can't expect express bus riders to suddenly just stop using the express bus because the thinks that they know how we should best commute when most of them don't even know a thing about the routes that they cut, other than the fact that they wanted to kill them. :mad: Quite frankly it annoys me that the South Shore gets their service propped up from us in the North Shore because there are plenty of folks that either drive over to Hylan or take the S53 over to Hylan. What they should've done was better analyze where ridership was coming from on the X13, X16 and X18. The X2 really doesn't get packed until about Hylan and Clove, although some of the earlier buses are a bit crowded before then, but there are still seats. In short, it isn't that the South Shore uses their express buses more, it's that the gives the South Shore buses service longer and folks from the Mid Island and North Shore are using those buses instead. Same thing with the X17J. You should see how many folks get off at those first 3 stops there in Bulls Head.

 

That was most certainly my thinking when they cut the X16. I was thinking f*ck them. They're not going to dictate to me how I should commute to and from work. If they want us to use the local buses then provide better, quicker and more reliable service! I don't see a local bus on Staten Island ever outperforming an express bus, so that answers that question. :cool:

 

 

 

Really depends on the time of day. On the weekends the M7 is okay, but during the week is another story. Same thing with the M5 and the M104s still come in packs, so I don't see the point of cutting it back to Times Square. It should run back to the UN.

 

M104s OH plz if you want speed you will use replies in color red. If farebeating on b46 is so rampant why don't they reduce service for savings = to the amount of money lost so the line can break even

[qjtransitmaster]

* Again, are they crushloaded as people have to push past each other to move around, or do they just have 10 standees or something?

 

* Like BrooklynBus said, going to Sheepshead Bay on the would be much simpler than ending at CI Hospital.

 

Maybe to keep the costs down, service can run every 30 minutes off-peak instead of every 20 minutes. If buses become overcrowded, service would have to be added back, so it would end up being back to what it used to be.

 

* I can't really comment on the Bx7A, but I guess it might work.

 

* Well, the decrease was small (I believe it was 84 passengers), so it's no big deal.

 

Now that I think about it, some of them might have shifted to the BxM4.

 

* I'm too lazy to calculate the ridership per bus, but $2 per passenger still isn't too bad.

 

* I could agree for hourly Saturday service on both routes.

 

* Yeah, I can see that happening too. Since it doesn't serve East Midtown, that defeats the original purpose of the route.

 

The problem is that, while it probably didn't save much time going from Washington Heights to East Midtown (over taking the subway to a crosstown bus), it would save time going from Washington Heights to East Harlem.

 

* Well, it's a good thing if riders are shifting to the faster service, as it's cheaper for the MTA to operate.

 

* I could agree with the BxM4 comment. It would probably help ridership overall.

 

WILL NOT repeat myself again I take a break from here and ppl bring up the same thing on BXM4!!!!!!!!!! what point of eliminate grand concourse from BXM4 do you ppl not get. An express bus has no business not using the highway and calling itself express if anything it's a glorified LTD rte with $5.50 fare The bus needs speed badly.

 

I wonder if Bx20 can be absorbed by rerouted M98??? if possible let me know not sure on it

[lilbluefoxie]

to the people complaining about the subway stairs, many stations have elevators too... B)

[BZGuy]

M104s OH plz if you want speed you will use replies in color red. If farebeating on b46 is so rampant why don't they reduce service for savings = to the amount of money lost so the line can break even

 

Not everybody wants to take the . Quite frankly I find the very annoying for some reason....if I have to take the subway then I prefer the or at nights the .

 

But regardless of what subway options there are, they need to do something about the 104. It's ridiculous that there are up to 4 buses running in a pack during the PM peak. And I'll tell you exactly where the 104 gets hung up at....that BS turnaround at 41st street. If traffic to the Lincoln Tunnel backs up 41st turns into a parking lot and the moron dispatcher at Times Sq doesn't have the brains to turn them on another street. If they aren't gonna send the 104 down to UN then have it turn down 42nd because 41st is no better in the afternoon.

 

And as far as your babbling about cutting the B46....all I'm gonna ask is:Have you ridden that route? If you have then you would know that as frequent as the 46 is, that bus stays packed....I would hate to see what it's like if you were to cut runs on that line.

[qjtransitmaster]

Not everybody wants to take the . Quite frankly I find the very annoying for some reason....if I have to take the subway then I prefer the or at nights the .

 

But regardless of what subway options there are, they need to do something about the 104. It's ridiculous that there are up to 4 buses running in a pack during the PM peak. And I'll tell you exactly where the 104 gets hung up at....that BS turnaround at 41st street. If traffic to the Lincoln Tunnel backs up 41st turns into a parking lot and the moron dispatcher at Times Sq doesn't have the brains to turn them on another street. If they aren't gonna send the 104 down to UN then have it turn down 42nd because 41st is no better in the afternoon.

 

And as far as your babbling about cutting the B46....all I'm gonna ask is:Have you ridden that route? If you have then you would know that as frequent as the 46 is, that bus stays packed....I would hate to see what it's like if you were to cut runs on that line.

WELL IF YOU WANT RELIABLE AT RUSH HR YOU DON'T WANT M104!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! stop complaining you have the ,, and . Those are your traffic immune options if you don't want traffic. But to use a duplicate bus you have no right to complain at rush hr about reliability when more reliable options exist. Unless you can't use train but seriously look who we are dealing with here.

 

That was only a reaction to another post I don't recommend it but there has to be someway to lower farebeating on B46. Maybe the ridership offsets it.

[qjtransitmaster]

to the people complaining about the subway stairs, many stations have elevators too... B)

 

ur expecting too much of ppl that is how boundless human stupidity is.

 

They wait 40 mins for a bus that duplicates the subway that is DUMB!!!!!!!!!!!

 

a true example of human stupidity.

[R188 7857]

human stupidity.

 

Great job expressing yourself!

[checkmatechamp13]

The other reason the MTA makes service cuts is to maintain loading guidelines, while intertwined with money, it has been done before without considering money as the first reason.

 

Well, you have to consider that they raise the loading guidelines to save money. I believe at one point, the off-peak bus guidelines were 80% of a seated load, and now they're 100% of a seated load.

 

But you're right that there are service adjustments made that aren't related to money.

 

And I just realized something else (I realized it a while back, but I realized I didn't mention it here): The overnight Bx39 only runs between Gun Hill Road and 241st Street to replace the Bx41, but the headways don't match up. They should've just extended the Bx41 overnight.

 

M104s OH plz if you want speed you will use replies in color red. If farebeating on b46 is so rampant why don't they reduce service for savings = to the amount of money lost so the line can break even

 

He lives halfway between the S53 and S54 around Forest Avenue, and as you know he takes the local bus to get down to the express bus. He mentioned many times that he'd consider using the S53 more often if they put a limited on it.

 

WILL NOT repeat myself again I take a break from here and ppl bring up the same thing on BXM4!!!!!!!!!! what point of eliminate grand concourse from BXM4 do you ppl not get. An express bus has no business not using the highway and calling itself express if anything it's a glorified LTD rte with $5.50 fare The bus needs speed badly.

 

I wonder if Bx20 can be absorbed by rerouted M98??? if possible let me know not sure on it

 

He did mention to eliminate the Grand Concourse section, at least south of Fordham Road.

 

WELL IF YOU WANT RELIABLE AT RUSH HR YOU DON'T WANT M104!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! stop complaining you have the ,, and . Those are your traffic immune options if you don't want traffic. But to use a duplicate bus you have no right to complain at rush hr about reliability when more reliable options exist. Unless you can't use train but seriously look who we are dealing with here.

 

That was only a reaction to another post I don't recommend it but there has to be someway to lower farebeating on B46. Maybe the ridership offsets it.

 

When you consider the thousands of people that are paying, it more than offsets it. The B46 gets about 50,000 riders per day, of which 3,000 are farebeaters. Even if 10,000 were farebeaters, the remaining 40,000 still make it cheaper to operate than plenty of other lines.

[qjtransitmaster]

 

Great job expressing yourself!

was that even nessesary??? why don't posts like this rack up infractions its very offensive????

[JubaionBx12+SBS]

The Bx39/41 swap along White Plains Road was pointless. Why give Wakefield residents access to a LESS frequent route whose northern half is an exact duplicate of the line? The Bx41 was certainly too long and had reliability issues because of it but handing them the Bx39 in it's place is like giving a Honda to someone who got their BMW stolen. Very few people got off of Bx39 buses at Gun Hill before the reductions looking for Bx41 service to Wakefield. The MTA is trying to force riders to use the line and the Bx39 bus gets extended to act as a cover-up. I understand the MTA wants more people on subways and less on buses but please be upfront by telling people that instead of making bus routes longer and less useful.

[qjtransitmaster]

The Bx39/41 swap along White Plains Road was pointless. Why give Wakefield residents access to a LESS frequent route whose northern half is an exact duplicate of the line? The Bx41 was certainly too long and had reliability issues because of it but handing them the Bx39 in it's place is like giving a Honda to someone who got their BMW stolen. Very few people got off of Bx39 buses at Gun Hill before the reductions looking for Bx41 service to Wakefield. The MTA is trying to force riders to use the line and the Bx39 bus gets extended to act as a cover-up. I understand the MTA wants more people on subways and less on buses but please be upfront by telling people that instead of making bus routes longer and less useful.

 

if they did that there will be riots from lazy ppl. MTA has to be as sneaky as possible

[checkmatechamp13]

if they did that there will be riots from lazy ppl. MTA has to be as sneaky as possible

 

Not everybody using a bus rather than the subway is lazy. Aside from the obvious (having lots of bags, being a senior/disabled, being tired after work, etc), there are times when the bus can be faster.

 

Think about it: If somebody is around 219th Street and wants to get to Gun Hill Road for the Bx28/38, are they going to climb up the stairs, wait for the , take it for one stop, and climb down the stairs when they could just take the Bx39 (or Bx41 before the reductions)?

 

Buses serve a different type of rider than the subway. Aside from people who can't or don't want to climb the stairs, they're used for shorter trips where it's not worth climbing those stairs. You could make the same argument for local buses vs. limited-stop buses: If a person is going between one local stop and another one, and they're not very far apart (say, from Jules Drive to Signs Road along Richmond Avenue), there's no point in taking the limited when the local is easier and faster.

[B35 via Church]

The other reason the MTA makes service cuts is to maintain loading guidelines, while intertwined with money, it has been done before without considering money as the first reason.

You're not gonna make a believer out of me with that statement... so you pretty much wasted keystrokes directing this at me.....

 

 

The Bx39/41 swap along White Plains Road was pointless. Why give Wakefield residents access to a LESS frequent route whose northern half is an exact duplicate of the line? The Bx41 was certainly too long and had reliability issues because of it but handing them the Bx39 in it's place is like giving a Honda to someone who got their BMW stolen.

 

Very few people got off of Bx39 buses at Gun Hill before the reductions looking for Bx41 service to Wakefield. The MTA is trying to force riders to use the line and the Bx39 bus gets extended to act as a cover-up. I understand the MTA wants more people on subways and less on buses but please be upfront by telling people that instead of making bus routes longer and less useful.

 

Taken right out of the B35 via church handbook... lol

 

In all seriousness, Someone also notices exactly what I've been noticing over the years w/ the Bx39/41 up there.... (for the non-believers), I couldn't have fabricated what I've been sayin if there's an actual Bronx resident himself defiantly sayin the exact same thing.....

 

You saw more ppl. xferring to 28's & 30's coming off 39's, than you did ppl xferring to 41's coming off 39's...... that swap did not solve anything... it did not end up even saving them money !