pjbr40 Posted October 7, 2011 Share #1 Posted October 7, 2011 i understand in the past the mnr and lirr had some competition of using the grand central or penn station. just wanted to know why the Mta never or did they ever try to run some mnr train to penn station. i have feeling it mostly based on congestion at the penn station since amtrak and nj transit are there. i am wandering if the lirr main line go to grand central pretty soon will one of the mnr will go to penn as a swap? i know that when NY GIANTS or NY JETS play in rutherford they have one run from nj transit doing it by going thru penn, but why not they it again as a regular way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted October 7, 2011 Share #2 Posted October 7, 2011 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckie Posted October 7, 2011 Share #3 Posted October 7, 2011 In addition to demand is equipment capabilities. This is the very reason why NJT trains are used for the Meadowland game trains. Currently MNR trains do not have the capability of operating into Penn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjbr40 Posted October 8, 2011 Author Share #4 Posted October 8, 2011 mnr can go to penn. There is a their rail available via the amtrak way. i saw it one time back in the old days that i saw one of the new haven cut thru astoria line to get to penn station. it was an M3 style or m1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted October 8, 2011 Share #5 Posted October 8, 2011 There's no third rail on the New Haven line, except where after Pelham Station heading to Grand Central Station. There is no third rail on the Hell's Gate Bridge. Perhaps in the old days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjbr40 Posted October 8, 2011 Author Share #6 Posted October 8, 2011 maybe i meant to say they used the the pentograph way in that area since new haven is mostly based on pentograph. don't forget i was little fuzzy back then but i knew for sure mnr was up on hell gates bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted October 8, 2011 Share #7 Posted October 8, 2011 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjbr40 Posted October 8, 2011 Author Share #8 Posted October 8, 2011 ok it could be true that it being towed. here another fact that i remember seeing that train. i saw a conductor hanging out by one of the middle window looking out while the window is down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjbr40 Posted October 8, 2011 Author Share #9 Posted October 8, 2011 also with the voltage thing , i do believe that a possibility. the reason is that with the old nj transit arrow 1 car(mostly used on nec) can go on the NJCL but not south of Aberdeen Matawan. i always wander why till i read the wikipedia. They wrote in saying that trains south of aberdeen matawan requires higher voltage which arrow 1 can't do. So in my conclusion i now understand why MNR can't run to penn station. Don't M8 can do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queens Surface Posted October 8, 2011 Share #10 Posted October 8, 2011 also with the voltage thing , i do believe that a possibility. the reason is that with the old nj transit arrow 1 car(mostly used on nec) can go on the NJCL but not south of Aberdeen Matawan. i always wander why till i read the wikipedia. They wrote in saying that trains south of aberdeen matawan requires higher voltage which arrow 1 can't do. So in my conclusion i now understand why MNR can't run to penn station. Don't M8 can do it? The M8s should be able to run via Hell's Gate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted October 8, 2011 Share #11 Posted October 8, 2011 Im not sure if they tested it yet for there and for Shore Line East Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrtle Local Posted October 9, 2011 Share #12 Posted October 9, 2011 The M8 hardware can't make the voltage switchover (as far as I know) and Metro North's third rail system is different from Long Island's. For it to even be worthwhile for Metro North to run down to Penn Station they want to build 3 stations along the Hell Gate branch. I don't think you'll Metro North making it down to Penn in my opinion. Amtrak used to have a tow job years and they would take Long Island equipment up to New Rochelle for Metro North to take from there and vice versa, that equipment was never under its own power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted October 9, 2011 Share #13 Posted October 9, 2011 i understand in the past the mnr and lirr had some competition of using the grand central or penn station. just wanted to know why the Mta never or did they ever try to run some mnr train to penn station. i have feeling it mostly based on congestion at the penn station since amtrak and nj transit are there. i am wandering if the lirr main line go to grand central pretty soon will one of the mnr will go to penn as a swap? i know that when NY GIANTS or NY JETS play in rutherford they have one run from nj transit doing it by going thru penn, but why not they it again as a regular way? Since the LIRR is using the available slots at Penn Station, there's no room for Metro-North trains. When the ESA opens, some LIRR trains can be routed to Grand Central, freeing up space for some MNRR trains to go to Penn Station. There's no third rail on the New Haven line, except where after Pelham Station heading to Grand Central Station. There is no third rail on the Hell's Gate Bridge. Perhaps in the old days. I think he's referring to the Amtrak Line on the West Side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjbr40 Posted October 9, 2011 Author Share #14 Posted October 9, 2011 When he mention that there is no third rail on hell gate bridge, i went to you tube to double check and he is right and correct. remember i said later that i was little fuzzy back then how i saw that old MNR up there while i was railfaning on the Astoria line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted October 10, 2011 Share #15 Posted October 10, 2011 The M8 hardware can't make the voltage switchover (as far as I know) and Metro North's third rail system is different from Long Island's. For it to even be worthwhile for Metro North to run down to Penn Station they want to build 3 stations along the Hell Gate branch. I don't think you'll Metro North making it down to Penn in my opinion. Amtrak used to have a tow job years and they would take Long Island equipment up to New Rochelle for Metro North to take from there and vice versa, that equipment was never under its own power. they could still run it on overhead wires, but the LIRR third rail will damage the third rail shoes on the M8. They cant even use diesel as the third rail shoes on the genesis locomotives arent designed for the LIRR. The best they could do would be New Haven to Hunterspoint Avenue or Long Island City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted October 10, 2011 Share #16 Posted October 10, 2011 The M8 hardware can't make the voltage switchover (as far as I know) and Metro North's third rail system is different from Long Island's. For it to even be worthwhile for Metro North to run down to Penn Station they want to build 3 stations along the Hell Gate branch. I don't think you'll Metro North making it down to Penn in my opinion. Amtrak used to have a tow job years and they would take Long Island equipment up to New Rochelle for Metro North to take from there and vice versa, that equipment was never under its own power. they could still run it on overhead wires, but the LIRR third rail will damage the third rail shoes on the M8. They cant even use diesel as the third rail shoes on the genesis locomotives arent designed for the LIRR. The best they could do would be New Haven to Hunterspoint Avenue or Long Island City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckie Posted October 10, 2011 Share #17 Posted October 10, 2011 they could still run it on overhead wires, but the LIRR third rail will damage the third rail shoes on the M8. They cant even use diesel as the third rail shoes on the genesis locomotives arent designed for the LIRR. The best they could do would be New Haven to Hunterspoint Avenue or Long Island City. It's not even so much that they the 3rd rail will damage the shoes but it's two different set ups. Metro Norths shoes run under the third rail where LIRR's shoes run over the third rail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckie Posted October 10, 2011 Share #18 Posted October 10, 2011 they could still run it on overhead wires, but the LIRR third rail will damage the third rail shoes on the M8. They cant even use diesel as the third rail shoes on the genesis locomotives arent designed for the LIRR. The best they could do would be New Haven to Hunterspoint Avenue or Long Island City. It's not even so much that they the 3rd rail will damage the shoes but it's two different set ups. Metro Norths shoes run under the third rail where LIRR's shoes run over the third rail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexis4Jersey Posted October 10, 2011 Share #19 Posted October 10, 2011 They should order dual shoes....for the 4th batch of M8's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexis4Jersey Posted October 10, 2011 Share #20 Posted October 10, 2011 They should order dual shoes....for the 4th batch of M8's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrtle Local Posted October 10, 2011 Share #21 Posted October 10, 2011 Since the LIRR is using the available slots at Penn Station, there's no room for Metro-North trains. When the ESA opens, some LIRR trains can be routed to Grand Central, freeing up space for some MNRR trains to go to Penn Station. As of now, LIRR does not plan to give up any of it's slots once ESA opens up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrtle Local Posted October 10, 2011 Share #22 Posted October 10, 2011 Since the LIRR is using the available slots at Penn Station, there's no room for Metro-North trains. When the ESA opens, some LIRR trains can be routed to Grand Central, freeing up space for some MNRR trains to go to Penn Station. As of now, LIRR does not plan to give up any of it's slots once ESA opens up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexis4Jersey Posted October 10, 2011 Share #23 Posted October 10, 2011 As of now, LIRR does not plan to give up any of it's slots once ESA opens up I thought the plan was to give up half the slots to the MNRR , seeing how most commuters go to the area around GCT this seems like a no-brainier... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexis4Jersey Posted October 10, 2011 Share #24 Posted October 10, 2011 As of now, LIRR does not plan to give up any of it's slots once ESA opens up I thought the plan was to give up half the slots to the MNRR , seeing how most commuters go to the area around GCT this seems like a no-brainier... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrtle Local Posted October 10, 2011 Share #25 Posted October 10, 2011 I thought the plan was to give up half the slots to the MNRR , seeing how most commuters go to the area around GCT this seems like a no-brainier... I believe the open slots in Penn will be given to trains that now run to Atlantic Terminal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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