VWM Posted October 8, 2011 Share #1 Posted October 8, 2011 R39 was the proposed contract number for lightweight subway/elevated New York City Subway cars.[1] They were intended to replace old equipment running on the BMT Myrtle Avenue Line in Brooklyn and the IRT Third Avenue Line in The Bronx. The cars, which were to have been built to IRT dimensions, were to be a smaller, lighter-weight version of the R38 car, and were to have been ordered in the late 1960s or early 1970s. Portions of the elevated structures of the lines for which these cars were intended were built in the late 19th century and had never been strengthened to accommodate the standard subway cars used on all other lines. The Budd Company used a possible outline of this car as U.S. Patent 3,151,538. The cars were never ordered as it was determined that it would be possible to discontinue and dismantle the lines where the R39 would be used. The Myrtle Avenue Line south of the junction with the BMT Jamaica Line was discontinued in 1969, and the remaining Third Avenue Line in 1973. The R39 would be a universal-MTA car, running on both IRT and BMT.... But unfortunately the (8) and train were lost to low ridership:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted October 8, 2011 Share #2 Posted October 8, 2011 rather have had those unsafe ELs torn down than have new cars running on them that would have falled down to teh street and killed a lot of people, then having the thing torn down anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted October 8, 2011 Share #3 Posted October 8, 2011 rather have had those unsafe ELs torn down than have new cars running on them that would have falled down to teh street and killed a lot of people, then having the thing torn down anyway What made them unsafe, why would trains fall off those els and not others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted October 8, 2011 Share #4 Posted October 8, 2011 What made them unsafe, why would trains fall off those els and not others? I heard the 3rd Ave, Myrtle AVe, and the Culver ELs had serious structural problems and it was cheaper to get rid of them than try to save them. what I mean is the EL itself would crumble like the West Side Highway did in 73 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lance25 Posted October 9, 2011 Share #5 Posted October 9, 2011 If I'm not mistaken, all the elevated lines were structurally sound when they were torn down. The problem was that the (MTA)'s predecessors didn't want to strengthen the structures to handle the then-new redbirds, probably because lines like Third Avenue elevated the Myrtle Avenue line south of Broadway didn't directly connect to any Manhattan mainlines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted October 9, 2011 Share #6 Posted October 9, 2011 I heard the 3rd Ave, Myrtle AVe, and the Culver ELs had serious structural problems and it was cheaper to get rid of them than try to save them. what I mean is the EL itself would crumble like the West Side Highway did in 73 That was TA BS, they didn't want them because they needed their own fleets. While they did need some work, they would have kept alot of flexibility as far as routing goes. Just look at the Culver El, that was never rebuilt and it's in good condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted October 9, 2011 Share #7 Posted October 9, 2011 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted October 9, 2011 Share #8 Posted October 9, 2011 here's another issue with the Myrtle Ave line, how could they run IRT spec cars on the northern segment north of the that has BMT platforms and there would be a huge gap when the train stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irtredbirdr33 Posted October 9, 2011 Share #9 Posted October 9, 2011 If the R-39's had been ordered in all likelihood there would have been two separate groups, one for the IRT and one for the BMT. The BMT cars could have been equipped with an overriding door sill like the ones that the Q's had. Larry, RedbirdR33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dman1455 Posted October 9, 2011 Share #10 Posted October 9, 2011 Those cars would look like a redbird/R30 type I would guess. So it wouldn't really be anything new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted October 9, 2011 Share #11 Posted October 9, 2011 What I always heard is that it would have been an IRT dimensioned version of the R38. Or. Bassically, a stainless stell R36, I imagine with the newer interior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted October 9, 2011 Share #12 Posted October 9, 2011 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted October 9, 2011 Share #13 Posted October 9, 2011 A bit off-topic: 1a) Were the BMT elevated lines originally built with enough space for the wider cars, or were they trimmed for them? 1b) Was the BMT Myrtle line always wide enough, because I can't imagine a time when both the and (MM) shared the same platforms if the ran wider cars and the (MM) narrower cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted October 9, 2011 Share #14 Posted October 9, 2011 A bit off-topic: 1a) Were the BMT elevated lines originally built with enough space for the wider cars, or were they trimmed for them? 1b) Was the BMT Myrtle line always wide enough, because I can't imagine a time when both the and (MM) shared the same platforms if the ran wider cars and the (MM) narrower cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted October 9, 2011 Share #15 Posted October 9, 2011 I thought the Myrtle Avenue Line was damaged by a massive fire. It is the reason why the line was torn down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted October 9, 2011 Share #16 Posted October 9, 2011 I thought the Myrtle Avenue Line was damaged by a massive fire. It is the reason why the line was torn down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted October 9, 2011 Share #17 Posted October 9, 2011 http://www.google.com/patents?id=EiRwAAAAEBAJ&zoom=4&pg=PA1&ci=29%2C138%2C849%2C1223&source=bookclip#v=onepage&q&f=falseNever seen that before! But yeah, it would look just like that; except that the windows would be the same as the R36. (That was from right before the R32-36, where they were apparently planning stainless steel, but had not adopted the new-style picture windows yet. It's kind of like Budd's Zephyr experimental unit that ran on the BMT in the 30's and 40's). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted October 9, 2011 Share #18 Posted October 9, 2011 http://www.google.com/patents?id=EiRwAAAAEBAJ&zoom=4&pg=PA1&ci=29%2C138%2C849%2C1223&source=bookclip#v=onepage&q&f=falseNever seen that before! But yeah, it would look just like that; except that the windows would be the same as the R36. (That was from right before the R32-36, where they were apparently planning stainless steel, but had not adopted the new-style picture windows yet. It's kind of like Budd's Zephyr experimental unit that ran on the BMT in the 30's and 40's). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted October 12, 2011 Share #19 Posted October 12, 2011 It really would have been nice if these cars had been built, even without the (8) and . The IRT train fleet might have looked a bit less disgusting and decrepit in the 70s and 80s with an IRT version of the R38s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted October 12, 2011 Share #20 Posted October 12, 2011 It really would have been nice if these cars had been built, even without the (8) and . The IRT train fleet might have looked a bit less disgusting and decrepit in the 70s and 80s with an IRT version of the R38s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R68 Subway Car Posted October 12, 2011 Share #21 Posted October 12, 2011 Those Els were dilapidated and unused. They needed to replaced. However, I think they should have been run on the regular IRT lines. They would have lasted a long time if Budd had built them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R68 Subway Car Posted October 12, 2011 Share #22 Posted October 12, 2011 Those Els were dilapidated and unused. They needed to replaced. However, I think they should have been run on the regular IRT lines. They would have lasted a long time if Budd had built them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted October 14, 2011 Share #23 Posted October 14, 2011 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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