official Subway - What If?

[LGA Link N Train]

8 hours ago, FamousNYLover said:

Jamaica Yard/East New York Yards: Closed.

(E): Trains run local east of Forest Hill. Trains willcome from Pitkin  Yards.

(F): Trains run normal. Trains will come from Coney Island or Pitkin Yards.

(J)(Z): Express and skip-stop service suspended. 

(L):  Slow Speed at Broadway Junction. Trains will be coming from Coney Island or Pitkin Yards.

(M): Service suspended between Broadway-Lafayette and Broadway Junction. Trains rerouted to/from 2nd Av (F).

(M)(R): Delays.

 

Next: Shooter at NYC Penn Station forces lock down at NY Penn Station including subway station. Trains can't pass 34th St.

Train service affected: (1)(2)(3)(A)(C)(E), LIRR, NJT and Amtrak.

Reroute this trains.

Bonus: Street closure on 7th and 8th Avs between 42nd and 28th St. Reroute BxM2, M5, M7, M20, M34, M34A, Q32, X22, X22A, X23, X24, X31, 

trains terminate at 50 St.

is Suspended 

Lcl in 2 sections; 207 - 42 St and 14 St to Far Rockaway. Lefferts Shuttle operates 

Lcl in 2 sections; 96 St - Van Cortlandt Park and 14 St to South Ferry

Lcl from Wakefield to Times Square and from 14 St to Flatbush (optional)

Runs overnight Schedule 

extended to New lots 

increased service 

NJT terminates at Hoboken 

LIRR terminates at long Island City 

NY bound Amtrak terminates at Secaucus 

NJ bound Amtrak terminates at Grand Central 

[DailyDose]

8 hours ago, FamousNYLover said:

Next: Shooter at NYC Penn Station forces lock down at NY Penn Station including subway station. Trains can't pass 34th St.

Train service affected: (1)(2)(3)(A)(C)(E), LIRR, NJT and Amtrak.

Reroute this trains.

Bonus: Street closure on 7th and 8th Avs between 42nd and 28th St. Reroute BxM2, M5, M7, M20, M34, M34A, Q32, X22, X22A, X23, X24, X31, 

 South Ferry - Chambers, 42nd (non-Rush Hour) or 96th (Rush Hour) to 242nd

 Flatbush - 14th St (w/ some trains via Lex), 42nd - Wakefield via Express

 New Lots Ave - 14th, 42nd - 148th via Local

 via 6th Ave Express between W4th and 59th

 Terminates at 14th St by using express tracks north of Canal St, then running express to 14th and switching back using the switches north of 23rd St, which should be in the cleared area (yeah, I know, extra)

 via 6th Ave local between W4th and 5th Ave, reduced service w/ reduced service on the  between Essex and Queens as well.

Shuttle buses serve non-serviced stations on 7th Ave, but (imo) not required on 8th Ave

LIRR:

-  All Hempstead, Far Rockaway, West Hempstead, Babylon, and Long Beach trains routed to Atlantic Terminal.  Use  for service to Penn.

- Port Washington, Ronkonkoma, Port Jefferson (non-diesel) trains rerouted to Hunterspoint Ave. Use Hunterspoint Ave for Penn service.

- Montauk, Oyster Bay, and Port Jefferson diesel trains to Long Island City. Use NYC Ferry service (cross-honored) or  trains at Vernon - Jackson for service to Manhattan.

- Service reduced on all lines, CTZ train service suspended.

NJT: 

- Northeast Corridor, Raritan, and NJCL trains routed to Hoboken, ferry service is increased and cross-honored. Services reduced slightly.

Amtrak:

- All trains terminate at Secaucus Jct in the south, Northeast Corridor & Acela terminates at New Rochelle in the north while Adirondack, Empire, Lake Shore trains via MNR to GCT directly. MNR cross-honors Amtrak tickets to provide service between New Rochelle and Manhattan.

- Bus service provided between Secaucus Jct. and GCT

I don't have time right now to figure out the buses, sooorry. I might edit and do it later.

 

[Wallyhorse]

18 hours ago, FamousNYLover said:

Next: Shooter at NYC Penn Station forces lock down at NY Penn Station including subway station. Trains can't pass 34th St.

Train service affected: (1)(2)(3)(A)(C)(E), LIRR, NJT and Amtrak.

Reroute this trains.

Here goes (this assumes the is still an eight-car, 480 foot train):

 runs in two sections:
South Ferry to 18th Street (local northbound, express southbound south of 14th Street)
42nd Street-242nd Street (while 34th Street-Penn Station is closed to passengers and is guarded by police, trains can use that station to turn)

 operates via the Lexington Avenue Line between Nevins St. and 149th Street

operates in two sections:
New Lots Avenue-14th Street
Times Square-148th Street

Select  trains are extended to New Lots Avenue as needed.

operates via 6th Avenue between 59th Street-Columbus Circle and West 4th Street, then normal route BUT as a local in Brooklyn

 and  are suspended

 operates normal route to 59th Street-Columbus Circle, then via the to West 4th Street and the to Metropolitan Avenue in Queens, where it terminates as it replaces the suspended  between Metropolitan and 47th-50th. 

operates via 6th Avenue between 53rd Street-5th Avenue and West 4th. 

is extended to 71st-Continental to replace the suspended in Queens.

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

23 hours ago, FamousNYLover said:

Next: Shooter at NYC Penn Station forces lock down at NY Penn Station including subway station. Trains can't pass 34th St.

Train service affected: (1)(2)(3)(A)(C)(E), LIRR, NJT and Amtrak.

Trains run on the  from 59 Street-Columbus Circle to West 4 Street, then over the  to Canal Street, and resumes regular route, in both directions.

 

 

Trains run on the  from 59 Street-Columbus Circle to 47-50 Streets, then over the  to West 4 Street, and resumes regular route, in both directions. 

 

There is no service between Queens Plaza and World Trade Center in both directions.

Trains run on the  from Roosevelt Avenue to/from 2 Avenue, the last stop.

Select trains run on the  from Queens Plaza to Church Avenue, the last stop.

 

 

There is no service between Forest Hills-71 Avenue and Essex Street in both directions

Service will operate to/from Chambers Street

 

 

Trains run between 96 Street and 242 Street

All service will stop on the northbound track at 96 Street

Southbound trains run express from 137 Street-City College to 96 Street

 

Some southbound  trains will terminate at 96 Street

Some southbound  trains will operate via the  from 149 Street-Grand Concourse to Atlantic Avenue-Barclays Center

 

 

Service operates between Chambers Street and New Lots Avenue, 

 

7th Avenue Line: There is no service between Chambers Street and 96 Street in both directions. Use the  Trains instead.

 

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Next: 

Weekday Shoulder period (3:00 PM)

 

A water main break at 34 Street (6th Avenue line) is disrupting service on the  Uptown Platform

Shortly afterward, there is a track fire at 23 Street-8 Avenue on the Northbound Express track

There is also a signal malfunction at Court Square.

 

 

[LGA Link N Train]

12 hours ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

Next: 

Weekday Shoulder period (3:00 PM)

 

A water main break at 34 Street (6th Avenue line) is disrupting service on the  Uptown Platform

Shortly afterward, there is a track fire at 23 Street-8 Avenue on the Northbound Express track

There is also a signal malfunction at Court Square.

Assuming that this is post Myrtle Viaduct reconstruction.

Scenario 1

 service is limited 

via 8 Avenue and Culver (downtown)

downtown trains via Broadway Express and West End 

Metropolitan - 71 via 8 Avenue and 53 St

Scenario 2

trains run local from Canal St to 59 St Columbus Circle

Scenario 3 

trains terminate at 21 St or Greenpoint Ave

 

 

 

 

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

3 minutes ago, LGA Link N train said:

Assuming that this is post Myrtle Viaduct reconstruction.

Scenario 1

 service is limited 

via 8 Avenue and Culver (downtown)

downtown trains via Broadway Express and West End 

Metropolitan - 71 via 8 Avenue and 53 St

Scenario 2

trains run local from Canal St to 59 St Columbus Circle

Scenario 3 

trains terminate at 21 St or Greenpoint Ave

 

 

 

 

One thing I probably should have mention is that these three service changes are occurring simultaneously (once the second disruption occurs).

Also, the disruption at 34th is on the northbound. The reroutes should be given the existing (regular) service patterns.

[Wallyhorse]

11 hours ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

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Next: 

Weekday Shoulder period (3:00 PM)

 

A water main break at 34 Street (6th Avenue line) is disrupting service on the  Uptown Platform

Shortly afterward, there is a track fire at 23 Street-8 Avenue on the Northbound Express track

There is also a signal malfunction at Court Square.

 

 

I suspect the Broadway line would also be closed (but trains on the Broadway Line would be allowed to do switch moves) as those stations are on top of each other as they cross over at Herald Square.  Assuming that:

operates in two sections:
207th Street to Columbus Circle
Canal Street to Far Rockaway or Rockaway Park (local in Brooklyn)

  and are suspended

operates in two sections:
205th Street-Columbus Circle
West 4th Street-Coney Island

 operates between Jamaica Center and Lexington Avenue-53rd Street ONLY!!

 operates in two sections:
179th Street-57th Street
West 4th Street-Coney Island

Shuttle trains operate between 

Select  trains operate between Church Avenue and Bedford-Nostrand ONLY (limited service to Court Square) with if necessary shuttle bus service to Court Square

is re-routed to the Nassau Street line and runs via the  and then via Montague and replaces the  to 95th Street-Bay Ridge

operates in two sections:
Coney Island to Canal Street (Tunnel Level) via the Tunnel
Times Square-Ditmars Boulevard

operates in two sections:
Coney Island to Canal Street (Tunnel Level) via the Tunnel
Shuttle between 57th Street and 96th Street

operates between 42nd Street-Times Square and 71st-Continental ONLY (as the  replaces it in Brooklyn)

[DailyDose]

15 hours ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

Next: 

Weekday Shoulder period (3:00 PM)

A water main break at 34 Street (6th Avenue line) is disrupting service on the  Uptown Platform

Shortly afterward, there is a track fire at 23 Street-8 Avenue on the Northbound Express track

There is also a signal malfunction at Court Square.

This is assuming the Broadway line is NOT affected...

On 6th Ave: The downtown local track is used as the downtown track for ALL trains, and the downtown express track is used as the uptown express track for ALL trains (between W4 and 42nd)

 Service reduced

 Normal express uptown, local downtown

 Normal local downtown, skips 14th and 23rd downtown

 Trains routed to Chambers St, change at Essex for  

 Local from Canal to 34th, Downtown normal

 Some trains begin/end at 34th St in order to alleviate congestion on the local tracks

 (Assuming the switches north of 21st also have problems)  - Select trains terminate at Bedford-Nostrand or Nassau Av, with limited service to Court Sq

[Wallyhorse]

4 hours ago, DailyDose said:

This is assuming the Broadway line is NOT affected...

On 6th Ave: The downtown local track is used as the downtown track for ALL trains, and the downtown express track is used as the uptown express track for ALL trains (between W4 and 42nd)

 Service reduced

 Normal express uptown, local downtown

 Normal local downtown, skips 14th and 23rd downtown

 Trains routed to Chambers St, change at Essex for  

 Local from Canal to 34th, Downtown normal

 Some trains begin/end at 34th St in order to alleviate congestion on the local tracks

 (Assuming the switches north of 21st also have problems)  - Select trains terminate at Bedford-Nostrand or Nassau Av, with limited service to Court Sq

I would think they'd be shutting power off to at least that entire section on 6th Avenue while making it so trains on Broadway are only supposed to go far enough to clear the switches and turn right around from there (as they would not want too much power being used on the Broadway Line).

Anyway, next up:
A water main break hits 14th Street between 3rd and 4th Avenues in Manhattan, knocking our service on the 4/5/6/L/N/Q/R/W in the area. 

At the same time, the switch at West 4th going northbound is stuck all trains coming from Broadway-Lafayette on the "local" track MUST go via 8th Avenue or to go via 6th Avenue must switch to the express track on the switch immediately north of Broadway-Lafayette.  

[Wallyhorse]

On 9/12/2017 at 9:03 PM, Lawrence St said:

A power failure causes a fire to erupt in Whitehall St. The R line south of Rector St is unusable, as well as the New South Ferry station. (The Nassau St connection to Mountague is not affected by this.) The damage will take 2 months to repair. What do you do?

 becomes brown and is part of a split with the  in the following manner:

runs 95th Street-Bay Ridge to Chambers Street, terminating on the "uptown local" track, then as quickly as possible is turned around and goes back to Brooklyn on the "downtown local" track at Chambers.

and trains terminate and begin at Chambers Street on the "express tracks" at Chambers and run normal otherwise.  

This service is at all times, though evenings and weekends, trains are extended to Essex Street.

Whitehall Street, Rector Street, Cortlandt Street-World Trade Center and City Hall are all closed.

trains run seven days a week to 71st-Continental.  When unable to run in Queens due to CBTC work, such trains run to 96th Street-2nd Avenue OR to 145th Street-8th Avenue.

Additional trains run to Ditmars Boulevard-Astoria to replace the (see below) and run local in Manhattan.

trains operate from Canal Street (Tunnel Level) to 71st-Continental to replace the on Queens Boulevard seven days a week. When unable to run there due to CBTC, such trains run to Astoria.

Yes, I know this was over a year old but I was bringing this up because someone posted a "what if" in the unplanned changes thread. 

[Wallyhorse]

On 12/21/2017 at 9:20 PM, R42N said:

60th Street Tunnel needs to be closed for a Canarsie Tube-esc shutdown for a period of 2-3 years. 

Keep in mind that while all the Astoria stations are usable, there is no B division yard access, and two years is a long time without heavy maintenance. 

I would ahead of such if possible build a connection between the Crosstown Line (coming out of a new portal after Court Square, that would stop at a new above-ground Queens Plaza Station (with transfers to all lines that stop there) while otherwise taking over service to Astoria.  Queensboro Plaza would be closed during this time with all service taken over by the (G), running the new route to Ditmars Boulevard-Astoria that would become permanent even after normal service from 60th is restored if this new connection is built.

service as part of this would run at all times regardless of whether a new connection is built.  If a new connection from the Crosstown can't be built, then you'd have a shuttle and find a way to swap trains as needed.

[Wallyhorse]

On 11/8/2018 at 6:20 PM, R62A7TrainFan said:

Due to a stalled  at Bleecker Street, Bronx bound  and  ran express to 125 St. For alternate service to stations between Brooklyn Bridge and 125 St, Extra  trains were used to go local and  to stations from 125 St.

This is where stuff like this belongs. 

[Q Broadway Express]

What if the old IRT (8) on Third Avenue had never been closed?

• What cars might be serving it?

• What yard?

• Might it have been extended?

[LGA Link N Train]

22 minutes ago, Q Broadway Express said:

What if the old IRT (8) on Third Avenue had never been closed?

• What cars might be serving it?

• What yard?

• Might it have been extended?

Maybe it'll use R142's (or it's special set of R62(A)'s. 

239th Street/East 180th St Yards

Probably not. Maybe a few Platforms Lengthened and a few Stations removed

[7tobatterypark]

This is my idea for the least amount of service on the subway.

• no  train
• no  train
• no  train
• no  train
• No Franklin Avenue Shuttle; replaced by  train running from 96th street via bridge and west end, through Coney Island to Fränkin Avenue-Fulton Street (similar to the )
•  Train routed back to Nassau st, via Brighton to serve 7th Avenue 
•  train extended to Lefferts blvd from WTC.
• No  train; replaced by the  via tunnel and the  extended from broad street to 95th street.
• No 42nd Street , use 
• No  or 

[Lawrence St]

On 1/22/2019 at 10:00 AM, 7tobatterypark said:

This is my idea for the least amount of service on the subway.

• no  train
• no  train
• no  train
• no  train
• No Franklin Avenue Shuttle; replaced by  train running from 96th street via bridge and west end, through Coney Island to Fränkin Avenue-Fulton Street (similar to the )
•  Train routed back to Nassau st, via Brighton to serve 7th Avenue 
•  train extended to Lefferts blvd from WTC.
• No  train; replaced by the  via tunnel and the  extended from broad street to 95th street.
• No 42nd Street , use 
• No  or 

why..?

 

[7tobatterypark]

On 1/22/2019 at 7:00 AM, 7tobatterypark said:

This is my idea for the least amount of service on the subway.

• no  train
• no  train
• no  train
• no  train
• No Franklin Avenue Shuttle; replaced by  train running from 96th street via bridge and west end, through Coney Island to Fränkin Avenue-Fulton Street (similar to the )
•  Train routed back to Nassau st, via Brighton to serve 7th Avenue 
•  train extended to Lefferts blvd from WTC.
• No  train; replaced by the  via tunnel and the  extended from broad street to 95th street.
• No 42nd Street , use 
• No  or 

If the mta had rally severe budget cuts, then this would be the least amount of service possible.

[Wallyhorse]

This was not the intention of this thread.

The intention was to draw up what you would do if a sudden emergency happens, including ones that take months that have nothing to do with the kind of cuts that have been discussed in recent posts.  What I'll post below is an example, this may or may not be a repeat of an earlier scenario written about:

A sinkhole develops in the area approaching the Atlantic Avenue  station.  It does NOT affect the rest of the Atlantic-Barclays complex as only that station is affected with all other tracks in the area available (including on the Fulton Street Line, , etc.)   

[Lawrence St]

2 hours ago, Wallyhorse said:

This was not the intention of this thread.

The intention was to draw up what you would do if a sudden emergency happens, including ones that take months that have nothing to do with the kind of cuts that have been discussed in recent posts.  What I'll post below is an example, this may or may not be a repeat of an earlier scenario written about:

A sinkhole develops in the area approaching the Atlantic Avenue  station.  It does NOT affect the rest of the Atlantic-Barclays complex as only that station is affected with all other tracks in the area available (including on the Fulton Street Line, , etc.)   

via Sea Beach to 86th St

 via West End via Coney Island via Brighton to Prospect.

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

19 hours ago, Wallyhorse said:

This was not the intention of this thread.

The intention was to draw up what you would do if a sudden emergency happens, including ones that take months that have nothing to do with the kind of cuts that have been discussed in recent posts.  What I'll post below is an example, this may or may not be a repeat of an earlier scenario written about:

A sinkhole develops in the area approaching the Atlantic Avenue  station.  It does NOT affect the rest of the Atlantic-Barclays complex as only that station is affected with all other tracks in the area available (including on the Fulton Street Line, , etc.)   

 Trains will operate via the  between Grand Street and Coney Island, then over the  to/from Brighton Beach (SB trains operate via West End Express).

 Shuttle service will operate between Prospect Park and Coney Island, every 12 minutes

 trains will be running on the  express between Canal Street and 36 Street, then over the  to/from Coney Island, every 10 minutes.

 trains will stop at DeKalb Avenue, and make all local stops between DeKalb Avenue and 36 Street.

[R68OnBroadway]

A track fire at the  platform at Lexington-59th forces all service through the area to be cut. What do you do? 

[LGA Link N Train]

15 hours ago, R68OnBroadway said:

A track fire at the  platform at Lexington-59th forces all service through the area to be cut. What do you do? 

 shuttle at Queensboro Plaza to Ditmars Blvd. 

 service Via the  line to Lexington Avenue 63rd Street. 

 Service is suspended

Use  and  service as an alternative 

[SubwayFan3000]

What if NYC Subway is Completely Shutdown for Overhaul?

Edited August 6, 2019 by subwayfan1998

[R68OnBroadway]

24 minutes ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

 shuttle at Queensboro Plaza to Ditmars Blvd. 

 service Via the  line to Lexington Avenue 63rd Street. 

 Service is suspended

Use  and  service as an alternative 

What do you do with the  s in Manhattan and Brooklyn?

[bwwnyc123]

43 minutes ago, subwayfan1998 said:

What if NYC Subway is Completely Shutdown for Overhaul?

NYC including All Five Boroughs would be a complete disaster we would depend on Local and Express Buses, Taxi, Cab and Van service, and use the Metro North and Long Island Trains.