official Subway - What If?

[Interested Rider]

New York City is under a tropical storm watch right now for Hurricane Jose and it is supposed to start tomorrow night. A lot of the suggestions being posted here may come true depending on how fast (or slow) this storm moves during the week.

I am hoping and praying that the storm stays far enough out to sea and we escape the brunt of this storm.

[R68OnBroadway]

Brooklyn Bridge–City Hall is flooded. Try again.

 The , and terminate at 42nd then.

[Wallyhorse]

Brooklyn Bridge–City Hall is flooded. Try again.

 

 

If South Ferry/Whitehall Street floods, so does the Montague Street Tunnel because gravity. I guess that should have been mentioned explicitly like I did with the Cranberry Street Tunnel and Joralemon Street Tunnel.

That's why I said that.  When I do this, I make sure I include that because you never know, as even if logic dictates one thing, stranger things have happened.

[Wallyhorse]

Some MAJOR long-term changes here (these assume there are enough cars to handle such).

 

With Clark, Montague and Rutgers still running, here's how I would do it:

 

replaces the south of 14th Street (running normal to Chambers St.) and runs to New Lots Avenue at all times.

 

runs local between 96th and Chambers Street, normal route otherwise

 

is truncated to 14th Street at all times

 

and are both truncated, run local at all times and terminate at all times at Grand Central (some 6 trains terminate at 59th Street)

 

runs between Dyre Avenue and 125th Street ONLY at all times (including late nights)

 

Shuttles run on the Lexington Avenue Line tracks south of Grand Central as follows and are designated S :

 

Local between Grand Central and 14th Street on the downtown local track, return to Grand Central going uptown on the downtown express track.

 

Single track between 14th Street and Canal Street on the Uptown Local Track in both directions.

 

DOES NOT operate in Manhattan and does operate between Jay Street-Metrotech and Lefferts Boulevard as a local at ALL TIMES.

 

becomes a seven-day-a-week line, re-routed north of 125th Street to 168th Street (except late nights).

 

takes over full-time operations in Manhattan from 207th Street (local at ALL TIMES) and then via the Broadway-Brooklyn line south of West 4th Street to Broadway Junction, where it terminates (NOTE: Runs peak-direction express on the Broadway-Brooklyn line).

 

is unaffected unless there are car shortages.

 

is the only train south of West 4th on the 8th Avenue line in Manhattan.

 

Select trains during peak periods run via the Crosstown between Roosevelt Avenue and Bergen Street.

 

is extended to 71st-Continental (late nights to Queens Plaza).

 

The post-Sandy is brought back in the Rockaways.

 

The is brought back as an Express Shuttle between Utica Avenue and Howard Beach-JFK Airport (and if there is enough capacity to do so, such can run between Jay Street and Howard Beach and if so also as a local)

 

is truncated to Chambers Street at ALL TIMES (no service during this time and no peak-direction express service).  If there is lack of car availability in other divisions, if needed it can be extended to Coney Island depending on which line is the most hurt by lack of car availability.

 

 returns to being brown and runs Metropolitan Avenue to 95th Street-Bay Ridge at ALL TIMES

 

runs normal service.

 

and operate via the Bridge south of Canal Street at ALL TIMES.

 

operates from Canal Street (Tunnel Level) to 71st-Continental ONLY!

Assuming Montague Street is ALSO flooded (I did this thinking the Nassau side would NOT be), here's how I would do it:

 

Unless otherwise noted below, the changes above remain as-is:

 

STILL is truncated to Chambers (as Fulton and Broad Street also would be likely having Flooding since it would appear only the 2/3 station there would be unaffected).

 

operates normal service with that expanded to seven days a week.

[LGA Link N Train]

What If an train breaks down between Whitehall and the East River, at the same time, someone hijacks a train at Grand Central, while another service change happens on the Astoria line (let's say an incident). Last but not least an train breaks down at either between Euclid and Grant or Rockaway Blvd and the RBB southern portion. Reroute trains

 

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Edited September 21, 2017 by LGA Link N train

[FamousNYLover]

On 9/21/2017 at 6:34 PM, D to 96 St said:

What if a tornado took out the Jamaica Line on Broadway-Brooklyn (Marcy to Bway Jct).  trains are terminating at Atlantic Av due to a criminal investigation at Livonia Av. At the same time, a diesel broke down at Junius St. An   train was hijacked at WTC, but the police recaptured the train at Queens Plaza. The gangsters fled and the Queens Blvd line is shut down from Roosevelt Av to 50 St LL as a result. Reroute at will!

Can you be more specific?

 

[Wallyhorse]

On 9/21/2017 at 6:34 PM, D to 96 St said:

What if a tornado took out the Jamaica Line on Broadway-Brooklyn (Marcy to Bway Jct).  trains are terminating at Atlantic Av due to a criminal investigation at Livonia Av. At the same time, a diesel broke down at Junius St. An   train was hijacked at WTC, but the police recaptured the train at Queens Plaza. The gangsters fled and the Queens Blvd line is shut down from Roosevelt Av to 50 St LL as a result. Reroute at will!

Here goes:

Broadway-Brooklyn is a long-term closure as there likely is major damage to that.  This likely means:
 runs from Alabama Avenue-Jamaica Center ONLY!!  If Broadway Junction can handle trains, such terminate there.
 becomes a shuttle in Manhattan between Broad and Essex Street. 

As for the rest:
 runs between 71st-Continental and Jamaica Center ONLY!!

runs in two sections:
Coney Island to Queensbridge Plaza
71st-Continental to 179th Street

Runs 8th Avenue-Atlantic Avenue with some trains terminating at Myrtle Avenue or Broadway Junction

 Runs regular route to 47-50th Streets, then via the to 63rd/Lex and  to 96th Street-2nd Avenue, where it terminates.

 runs with the to Astoria.

is suspended due to the  running to Astoria.

Edited October 3, 2017 by Wallyhorse
Had to adjust the (E)

[CenSin]

8 minutes ago, Wallyhorse said:

 Runs regular route to 47-50th Streets, then via the to 63rd/Lex and  to 96th Street-2nd Avenue, where it terminates.

I’m amused that you feel the need to run the in this situation, but suspend the .

Edited October 3, 2017 by CenSin

[LGA Link N Train]

On 9/16/2017 at 10:57 AM, D to 96 St said:

The Williamsburg Bridge is closed for another set of repairs. This affects the .

terminates at Marcy Av

terminate at Myrtle Broadway

suspended 

Return the for a period of time having it run on Culver to fill in the gap in train service. 

shuttle from Essex to Broad Sts

[FamousNYLover]

On 9/21/2017 at 6:26 PM, LGA Link N train said:

What If an train breaks down between Whitehall and the East River, at the same time, someone hijacks a train at Grand Central, while another service change happens on the Astoria line (let's say an incident). Last but not least an train breaks down at either between Euclid and Grant or Rockaway Blvd and the RBB southern portion. Reroute trains

 

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(4): Trains run in 2 sections.

(3): Runs to New Lots Av all times.

(4): No  train service between 86th St and Utica/New Lots Avs. All uptown trains leaves from uptown 86th St platform.

(5): Trains rerouted on  line between 3rd Av-149th and Nevins Sts in both direction.

(6): No trains between 86th St & Brooklyn Bridge. All uptown trains leaves from uptown 86th St platform.

1. train Shuttle Bus operates along Park,  3rd-Lexington Avs between 86th St and Brooklyn Bridge with stop at Lex Av-63rd St (F)(Q) Station.

2. Express Shuttle Bus operates operates between 86th St/Lex Av and Bowling Green with stop at Lex Av/63rd St, Rector-Wall Sts and South Ferry-Whitehall St.

(A):  No trains between Broadway Junction and Ozone Park/Howard Beach. Trains run in 2 sections.

1. Between Inwood-207th St & Broadway Junction.

2. Between Howard Beach-JFK Airport and Far Rockaway.

(C):  No trains between Broadway Junction and Euclid Av.

Local Shuttle Bus makes all  and Ozone Park  stops between Broadway Junction and Ozone Park-Lefferts Blvd.

Express Shuttle Bus makes  stops between Broadway Junction and Howard Beach-JFK Airport with stop at Aqueduct Racetrack.

(N): Late night service rerouted over Manhattan Bridge between Canal St & DeKalb Av. No trains between Astoria-Ditmars Blvd and Queensboro Plaza.

(R): Trains rerouted over Manhattan Bridge between Canal St & DeKalb Av.

(W): No trains between Astoria-Ditmars Blvd and 57th St-7th Av. Rerouted over  line between 57th St-7th Av and 96th St-2nd Av.

Astoria Shuttle Bus operates between Queensboro Plaza and Astoria-Ditmars Blvd.

[CenSin]

A realistic and difficult scenario:

During AM rush, a Brooklyn-bound   train breaks down over the junction south of 145 Street. trains from 148 Street and the yard are blocked. The train is followed by several other trains behind it in the tunnel stretching to 149 Street–Grand Concourse. Manhattan-bound trains cannot enter 149 Street–Grand Concourse due to the blockage.

Due to a fallen customer customer at 137 Street–City College, Bronx-bound trains must run express from 96 Street to 157 Street on the express track as paramedics arrive on the scene.

Signal malfunctions at 7 Avenue () are cause severe delays in Brooklyn-bound service.

1. Reroute the trains already in service.
2. Order proper service changes.
3. Offer alternatives to affected passengers.

Edited October 5, 2017 by CenSin

[LGA Link N Train]

20 hours ago, CenSin said:

A realistic and difficult scenario:

During AM rush, a Brooklyn-bound   train breaks down over the junction south of 145 Street. trains from 148 Street and the yard are blocked. The train is followed by several other trains behind it in the tunnel stretching to 149 Street–Grand Concourse. Manhattan-bound trains cannot enter 149 Street–Grand Concourse due to the blockage.

Due to a fallen customer customer at 137 Street–City College, Bronx-bound trains must run express from 96 Street to 157 Street on the express track as paramedics arrive on the scene.

Signal malfunctions at 7 Avenue () are cause severe delays in Brooklyn-bound service.

1. Reroute the trains already in service.
2. Order proper service changes.
3. Offer alternatives to affected passengers.

 via the  To Burnside Avenue

 terminates at 110 St

 is suspended 145 Street down

 Takes over on New Lots

 or runs 96 St-Brighton Beach

 runs via 8 Av going Downtown

will cover some express service

[RR503]

38 minutes ago, LGA Link N train said:

 via the  To Burnside Avenue

 terminates at 110 St

 is suspended 145 Street down

 Takes over on New Lots

 or runs 96 St-Brighton Beach

 runs via 8 Av going Downtown

will cover some express service

You can't run the on 8th ave without having to terminate it in Manhattan somewhere -- no way to access exp tracks south of W4

[Lawrence St]

So then this:

Norwood-205th St to World Trade Center via 8 AV Local.

Whitehall St-Coney Island

via Bridge to Bay Parkway. 

 

[RR503]

23 hours ago, CenSin said:

A realistic and difficult scenario:

During AM rush, a Brooklyn-bound   train breaks down over the junction south of 145 Street. trains from 148 Street and the yard are blocked. The train is followed by several other trains behind it in the tunnel stretching to 149 Street–Grand Concourse. Manhattan-bound trains cannot enter 149 Street–Grand Concourse due to the blockage.

Due to a fallen customer customer at 137 Street–City College, Bronx-bound trains must run express from 96 Street to 157 Street on the express track as paramedics arrive on the scene.

Signal malfunctions at 7 Avenue () are cause severe delays in Brooklyn-bound service.

1. Reroute the trains already in service.
2. Order proper service changes.
3. Offer alternatives to affected passengers.

 express 96-145

 trains in the tube reverse out, discharge at 149, and head back north.  trains hold until the  s clear and then terminate at 149. 

 trains on the  to 145, then terminate (there's a switch n/b exp->local between 137 and 145) 

 runs with delays. 

 service then from 180 to Dyre, Flatbush to Burnside.  from Wakefield to 149, 110 to Flatbush.

 96-Brighton

 in two sections: CI to Atlantic (  local), and 205 to WTC or 2nd avenue via CPW express, 8th ave local. 

[Wallyhorse]

On 10/4/2017 at 7:52 PM, CenSin said:

A realistic and difficult scenario:

During AM rush, a Brooklyn-bound   train breaks down over the junction south of 145 Street. trains from 148 Street and the yard are blocked. The train is followed by several other trains behind it in the tunnel stretching to 149 Street–Grand Concourse. Manhattan-bound trains cannot enter 149 Street–Grand Concourse due to the blockage.

Due to a fallen customer customer at 137 Street–City College, Bronx-bound trains must run express from 96 Street to 157 Street on the express track as paramedics arrive on the scene.

Signal malfunctions at 7 Avenue () are cause severe delays in Brooklyn-bound service.

1. Reroute the trains already in service.
2. Order proper service changes.
3. Offer alternatives to affected passengers.

 runs as noted above (express north, local south) between 96th Street and 157th Street.

runs in two sections:
Flatbush Avenue-110th Street
East 180th Street-241St Street (NOTE: Some trains run southbound to and terminate at Freeman Street)

 is suspended

 is extended to New Lots Avenue and runs local after Nevins Street southbound.

 runs in two sections:
Flatbush Avenue to 149th Street on the OR 3rd Avenue-138th Street on the  
Shuttle between Dyre Avenue and East 180th Street (NOTE: Some trains run southbound to and terminate at Freeman Street)

 runs normal route to 47th-50th and then via the and  to 96th Street-2nd Avenue, where it terminates.

 runs southbound via 8th Avenue to Broadway-Lafayette (normal service from there northbound) in both directions ONLY!

is extended to Coney Island and runs via 4th Avenue and West End to replace the  in Brooklyn.

[FamousNYLover]

On ‎10‎/‎4‎/‎2017 at 7:52 PM, CenSin said:

A realistic and difficult scenario:

During AM rush, a Brooklyn-bound   train breaks down over the junction south of 145 Street. trains from 148 Street and the yard are blocked. The train is followed by several other trains behind it in the tunnel stretching to 149 Street–Grand Concourse. Manhattan-bound trains cannot enter 149 Street–Grand Concourse due to the blockage.

Due to a fallen customer customer at 137 Street–City College, Bronx-bound trains must run express from 96 Street to 157 Street on the express track as paramedics arrive on the scene.

Signal malfunctions at 7 Avenue () are cause severe delays in Brooklyn-bound service.

1. Reroute the trains already in service.
2. Order proper service changes.
3. Offer alternatives to affected passengers.

(2): Trains run in 2 sections.

1. Between Wakefiled-241st St and 3rd Av-149th St.

2. Between 137h St  and Brooklyn College-Flatbush Av.

(3): Service suspended. Lenox Av Shuttle bus provided between 96th (1)(2) and Harlem-148th St, making all (2)(3) Lenox Av stop.

(4): Runs to New Lots Av until further notice.

(5): Trains run in 2 sections.

1. Between Eastchester-Dyre Av and East 180th St.

2. Between 3rd Av-138th St  and Brooklyn College-Flatbush Av.

(B)(D): Brooklyn-bound trains run via line. from 59th to West 4th Sts.

 

 

Edited November 19, 2017 by FamousNYLover

[darkstar8983]

44 minutes ago, D to 96 St said:

The Manhattan Bridge is fully closed due to a person committing suicide by jumping off the bridge. There are also switch problems at Whitehall St, and a broken rail at Court St. A  train broke down at Atlantic Av. Reroute at will!

 trains suspsended

 train via the  line from 59 St to West 4 St then to 2 Av. Brooklyn service ends at Atlantic Av or 36 St (via Express

 no trains between Canal St and 36 St-4 Av or Atlantic Av (local in Manhattan)

 no trains between 34 St-Herald Sq and Prospect Park

 no trains betweeen 59 St- 4 Av and Canal St

 

^where exactly is the broken rail at Court St? In the station on one of the tracks, on the crossover, between Court St and Jay St? And how exactly is the switch problem affecting the Whitehall St Station? Is the switch stuck on a articular position? And are all switches affected and in what way?

 

Obviously expect extensive delays 

Edited November 19, 2017 by darkstar8983

[LGA Link N Train]

13 hours ago, D to 96 St said:

The Manhattan Bridge is fully closed due to a person committing suicide by jumping off the bridge. There are also switch problems at Whitehall St, and a broken rail at Court St. A  train broke down at Atlantic Av. Reroute at will!

Take that out of service and suspend  and service 

Wrong railing on the and  causing massive delays

between 96 and Canal bridge 

And from Atlantic Av - Coney Island 

Norwood - Second Avenue. And Atlantic Av - Coney Island 

runs local 

 

 

Edited November 20, 2017 by LGA Link N train

[Wallyhorse]

15 hours ago, D to 96 St said:

The Manhattan Bridge is fully closed due to a person committing suicide by jumping off the bridge. There are also switch problems at Whitehall St, and a broken rail at Court St. A  train broke down at Atlantic Av. Reroute at will!

Here goes:

and are suspended entirely.

In Manhattan:
is truncated to between Chambers-WTC and 168th Street
runs from Norwood-205 via the  after 59th Street to Euclid Avenue, replacing the in Brooklyn

 and both terminate at Canal Street (Tunnel Level) in Manhattan from their northbound terminals.
 is Local in Manhattan

 only runs between Herald Square-34th Street and 96th Street.

In Brooklyn:
runs via 4th Avenue Local with the  to Jay Street-Metrotech, where such terminate (assuming the rail condition is near the Court Street station). Transfer between the two trains at Jay-Metrotech.

 runs from Coney Island to 36th Street-4th Avenue ONLY!

runs from Prospect Park to Coney Island ONLY!!
 

[R68OnBroadway]

16 hours ago, D to 96 St said:

The Manhattan Bridge is fully closed due to a person committing suicide by jumping off the bridge. There are also switch problems at Whitehall St, and a broken rail at Court St. A  train broke down at Atlantic Av. Reroute at will!

It doesn't make sense to close the whole bridge, but I will have 3 scenarios.

If north side is closed:

 and  suspended.

  in two sections: 96th-Canal (tunnel) and Prospect Pk-CI.

 via bridge.

  local in Manhattan.

 via Rutgers. Shuttle between 36th and CI.

 

If south side is closed:

  and suspended. 

 is normal.

  is normal.

 rerouted to Chambers.

  and   terminate at Canal (tunnel).

 via 6th Av and replaces  in Brooklyn. 

 

If both sides close:

 ,  and  suspended.

 local in Manhattan, terminates at Canal. Shuttle on Sea Beach.

 terminates at Canal. Shuttle between 36th and CI via 4th Av Lcl.

  96th-57th. Shuttle between Prospect Pk and CI.

 truncated to 145th St. Shuttle between Atlantic and CI, 4th Av Lcl.

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

16 hours ago, D to 96 St said:

The Manhattan Bridge is fully closed due to a person committing suicide by jumping off the bridge. There are also switch problems at Whitehall St, and a broken rail at Court St. A  train broke down at Atlantic Av. Reroute at will!

Some southbound trains run on the  from Columbus Circle to Chambers Street then via the  to WTC, and terminate.

Some southbound trains run on the  from West 4th Street to 2 Avenue and terminate

 North

Some southbound trains run on the  from West 4th Street to 2 Avenue, and terminate

Some southbound trains run on the  from West 4th Street to Coney Island (via Culver Express north of Kings Highway)

 South

Service runs from 36 Street to Coney Island, making all local stops

Some Northbound Service originates at Bay 50 Street

 

 

Some service will be rerouted to/from Chambers Street

 

 

Select trains will run local in Queens (both directions)

 

 

Service runs from Atlantic Avenue, to Coney Island, making all local stops 

 

 South 

Runs from Prospect Park to Coney Island 

 

Runs from 36 Street to 95 Street; Forest Hills to Canal Street

 

 

Service runs from Astoria to Queensboro Plaza only

 

 

 

Edited November 20, 2017 by BM5 via Woodhaven

[Lawrence St]

I'm guessing the switch problem is the southbound crossover before entering Mountague in Whitehall.

 

- via to Euclid Avenue

- Suspended

- via West 4th St to Culver, 6th Avenue Local

- via CROSSTOWN

- via 6th Avenue Express

- Reduced Service to Whitehall. 36th St-Dekalb Ave

- Astoria-Whitehall St and Atlantic-Barclays to Coney Island.

- 96th St to Canal St, Atlantic-Barclays to Coney Island.

 

[R68OnBroadway]

Why do people have all these overly complicated scenarios involving other lines? (ex.  and  .) Rather than get rid of the  and do a weird thing, just suspend the  . 

[FamousNYLover]

5 hours ago, R68OnBroadway said:

Why do people have all these overly complicated scenarios involving other lines? (ex.  and  .) Rather than get rid of the  and do a weird thing, just suspend the  . 

I agree. Wallyhorse's scenio never makes sense.