official Subway - What If?

[R68OnBroadway]

7 minutes ago, Wallyhorse said:

I'm going to for this purpose assume no trains on 6th can go past 14th:

operates in two sections:
As a limited service shuttle between South Ferry and Chambers Street (one train operates on each track in both directions).
Between 34th Street-Penn Station and 242nd Street

runs as follows:
Some trains from Brooklyn terminate at Chambers Street
Some trains from The Bronx terminate at 34th Street-Penn Station OR Times Square
Some trains operate straight through via the  between Nevins Street and 149th Street

 operates in two sections:
New Lots Avenue-Chambers Street
34th Street-Penn Station OR Times Square to 148th Street-Lenox Terminal

Some trains are extended to New Lots Avenue or operate to Flatbush Avenue if necessary to accommodate the loss of some  and  service

operates normal route between Coney Island and West 4th Street ONLY!

Some  trains operates express on 8th Avenue between Canal Street and 59th Street-Columbus Circle OR 145th Street

operates as follows:
Some trains operate from Coney Island to West 4th Street ONLY!
Some trains from Coney Island run via 8th Avenue Local between West 4th and 59th Street
Some trains operate between 34th Street-6th Avenue and 205th Street ONLY (normal service Central Park West)!

Some  trains operates express on 8th Avenue between Canal Street and 42nd Street

operates as follows:
Some trains from Coney Island terminate at West 4th Street
Some trains from 179th Street terminate at 34th Street
Some trains operate between Coney Island and 179th Street via the between Bergen Street and Roosevelt Avenue.
Some trains operate between Coney Island and 179th Street via the between West 4th and Roosevelt Avenue

 terminates at Union Square

operates via Nassau between Essex and Chambers Street

How does the plan affect  and  service? They may pass through 14th, but are not affected.

[Wallyhorse]

1 minute ago, R68OnBroadway said:

How does the plan affect  and  service? They may pass through 14th, but are not affected.

I would assume that tunnel is also closed as a precaution.

[R68OnBroadway]

Just now, Wallyhorse said:

I would assume that tunnel is also closed as a precaution.

It probably isn't as he would have stated so

[Wallyhorse]

6 minutes ago, R68OnBroadway said:

It probably isn't as he would have stated so

In that situation, I always operate as if ALL such tunnels are closed (at least to where they can go past a certain point).

Edited December 28, 2017 by Wallyhorse

[NYCSBoy13]

Scenario 1:

For this scenario, assume that Cortlandt St  has been rebuilt completely.

The WTC has been attacked again, and the damage is much more extensive.

Areas Destroyed:

Cortlandt St

tracks between Chambers St   and Fulton St  

WTC  (including relay tracks north of the station)

Cortlandt St  
 

Scenario 2:

The Atlantic Ave - Barclays Center station is fully destroyed in an attack. 

Areas Destroyed:

Atlantic Ave - Barclays Center     (including switches west of the station)

Atlantic Ave - Barclays Center  

Atlantic Ave - Barclays Center    (including switches north of the station)

 

Scenario 3:

The DeKalb Ave station is fully destroyed in an attack.

Areas Destroyed:

DeKalb Ave    (including tracks used by   running through the station and switches to the east)

 

Reroute, please!

 

Scenario 1 Solution:

 - Van Cortlandt Park - 242nd St to New Lots Ave via  from Chambers St to New Lots Ave

 - Inwood - 207th St to 34th St - Penn Station via  from 168th St to 34th St - Penn Station and High St to Ozone Park - Lefferts Blvd or Far Rockaway - Mott Ave via  from High St to Euclid Ave

 - Suspended

 - 2nd Ave to Jamaica Center - Parsons Blvd - Archer Ave via  from 4th St - Washington Sq to 2nd Ave

 - Court St to Bay Ridge - 95th St

 - Suspended

 

Scenario 2 Solution:

 - Wakefield - 241st St to 34th St - Penn Station and Eastern Pkwy to Flatbush Ave - Brooklyn College

 - Eastern Pkwy to New Lots Ave

 - Woodlawn to Borough Hall

 - Eastchester - Dyre Ave to Borough Hall

 - Suspended

 - Norwood - 205th St to 4th St - Washington Sq and 36th St to Coney Island - Stillwell Ave

 - Astoria - Ditmars Blvd to 57th St and 36th St to Coney Island - Stillwell Ave

 - 96th St to 57th St and Prospect Park to Coney Island - Stillwell Ave

 - Forest Hills - 71st Ave to Whitehall St - South Ferry and 36th St to Bay Ridge - 95th St

 

Scenario 3 Solution:

 - Suspended

 - Norwood - 205th St to 4th St - Washington Sq and Atlantic Ave - Barclays Center to Coney Island - Stillwell Ave

 - Astoria - Ditmars Blvd to 57th St and Atlantic Ave - Barclays Center to Coney Island - Stillwell Ave

 - 96th St to 57th St and Prospect Park to Coney Island - Stillwell Ave

 - Forest Hills - 71st Ave to Whitehall St - South Ferry and 36th St to Bay Ridge - 95th St

[LGA Link N Train]

.......what?

[Wallyhorse]

4 hours ago, NYCSBoy13 said:

Scenario 1:

For this scenario, assume that Cortlandt St  has been rebuilt completely.

The WTC has been attacked again, and the damage is much more extensive.

Areas Destroyed:

Cortlandt St 1

tracks between Chambers St A/C and Fulton St A/C

WTC E (including relay tracks north of the station)

Cortlandt St R/W

Here goes:

runs 242nd Street-Van Cortlandt Part to Flatbush Avenue via Clark Street after Chambers at all times

runs local south of Times Square and is rerouted to New Lots Avenue at all times

 runs Chambers Street-148th Street (late nights to Times Square)

no longer runs late nights to New Lots Avenue since the 1 & 2 both operate in Brooklyn at all times.

runs in two sections 
Canal Street (Tunnel Level) to 71st-Continental (at all times).
Whitehall Street to 95th Street-Bay Ridge

runs on a limited basis between Canal Street (Tunnel Level) and Ditmars Boulevard.  Trains going on yard runs go to or come from the Bridge Level at Canal Street and run to or come from Kings Highway via the Bridge.

Until new switches can be built north of Canal Street on the 8th Avenue Line to allow for track switches:

operates in two sections:
207th Street-34th Street (except late nights)
High Street to Rockaway Park (all times) or Lefferts Boulevard (all times except late nights) via local

replaces the (which is temporarily suspended) between Metropolitan Avenue and West 4th and runs between Metropolitan Avenue and 168th Street at ALL TIMES, extended late nights to 207th Street.

 runs from Jamaica Center to 34th Street-Penn Station at all times with some trains continuing to 14th Street (skipping 23rd Street)

is extended to 71st-Continental to replace the in Queens (except late nights when it would run to Queens Plaza since the  would be 24/7 in this scenario)


Once track switches north of Canal Street are built to allow for switches there:

operates in two sections:
207th Street-34th Street-Penn Station with LIMITED express service to 14th Street (late nights extended to Canal Street via local)
High Street to Rockaway Park (all times) or Lefferts Boulevard (all times except late nights) via local

 operates from Canal Street to 168th Street at all times (except late nights)

operates from Canal Street to Jamaica Center

and resume normal service.

[Lawrence St]

A Coney Island Bound train derails at 42nd St-Bryant Park, smashing into the support beams in the tunnel and eventually crashes into the wall on the northbound track. This causes structural instability on the entire 6th Avenue Line from 14th St to 57th St, and it will take at least a week to repair the damage.

 

Reroute away!

[NYCSBoy13]

Another Scenario:

Another hurricane hits New York City.

Areas Destroyed:

Broad Channel   (including switches north of the station)

Coney Island - Stillwell Ave     (including switches north and east of the station)

Bay 50th St  (including switches north and south of the station)

8th St  

Ave X  (including switches north and south of the station)

Van Sicklen Ave

86th St  (including switches south of the station)

Ocean Parkway

Ave X Yard (including all access tracks)

Coney Island Yard (including all access tracks)

Stillwell Ave Yard (including all access tracks)

 

Solution:

 - Inwood - 207th St to Ozone Park - Lefferts Blvd or Howard Beach - JFK Airport

 - Far Rockaway - Mott Ave to Rockaway Park - Beach 116th St via Hammels Wye

 - Bedford Pk Blvd to Kings Hwy

 - Norwood - 205th St to 25th Ave (some uptown trains skip 20th Ave, 18th Ave, 79th St and 71st St)

 - Jamaica - 179th St to Kings Hwy

 - Astoria - Ditmars Blvd to Kings Hwy

 - 96th St to Brighton Beach

[R68OnBroadway]

55 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

A Coney Island Bound train derails at 42nd St-Bryant Park, smashing into the support beams in the tunnel and eventually crashes into the wall on the northbound track. This causes structural instability on the entire 6th Avenue Line from 14th St to 57th St, and it will take at least a week to repair the damage.

 

Reroute away!

 suspended 

 express in Manhattan south of 59th to allow more room on local tracks 

 in two sections: 2nd Av to 205th via  /   (8th Av LCL) and 36th to CI

 via  to West 4th

 suspended (Metropolitan shuttle operates normally)

 local in Brooklyn to allow  trains to reverse on express tracks

[NYCSBoy13]

21 minutes ago, NYCSBoy13 said:

 - Far Rockaway - Mott Ave to Rockaway Park - Beach 116th St via Hammels Wye

I tried to get an H bullet, but it didn't work. How do I create an H bullet?

[NYCSBoy13]

On 12/29/2017 at 11:15 AM, Lawrence St said:

A Coney Island Bound train derails at 42nd St-Bryant Park, smashing into the support beams in the tunnel and eventually crashes into the wall on the northbound track. This causes structural instability on the entire 6th Avenue Line from 14th St to 57th St, and it will take at least a week to repair the damage.

 - 168th St to Euclid Ave via  from 59th St - Columbus Circle to Canal St

 - Suspended

 - Norwood - 205th St to Coney Island - Stillwell Ave via  from 59th St - Columbus Circle to 4th St - Washington Sq

 - Jamaica - 179th St to Coney Island - Stillwell Ave via  from Jackson Hts - Roosevelt Ave to 4th St - Washington Sq

 - Middle Village - Metropolitan Ave to Myrtle Ave

[DailyDose]

On 12/28/2017 at 6:48 PM, NYCSBoy13 said:

Scenario 1:

For this scenario, assume that Cortlandt St  has been rebuilt completely.

Long term solutions

 Runs between 242nd and Chambers.

 All Times: Jay St - W4 via Rutgers,  . Trains run local between W4 and 34th.

Weekdays: Runs express on Fulton, but service slightly reduced for  @ Rutgers 

Weekends & Late Nights: No express service, runs local on Fulton

From 34th St to Canal St, the Northbound express track is used as a Southbound track

 All Times: Some/all trains run between Canal St and 168th St. Southbound  trains skip 23rd St and Spring St.

Weekdays: 75% of trains run to Euclid Ave via local, 25% to Canal

Weekends: Trains run only between Canal and 168th

 Rush Hours: Some trains routed via the  to provide capacity for  trains to use Rutgers

 34th - Jamaica. Use  in lower Manhattan.

High St, WTC, Chambers and Fulton are closed. No shuttle buses provided, as High St is really close to York (A)(F), and  as replacement between Fulton and Chambers

 Runs only in Manhattan, from Canal St to Forest Hills, in Brooklyn replaced by:

 extended to Brooklyn via Montague & 4th Avenue all times, increased service

 Suspended

Scenario 2:

 Wakefield - Wall St, Eastern Pkwy - Flatbush

 148th St - South Ferry, Eastern Pkwy - New Lots

 Woodlawn - Borough Hall, use  in Brooklyn

Eastchester - Bowling Green all times (weekdays), use in Brooklyn

Shuttle buses provide service to Clark - Borough Hall - Hoyt - Nevins - Atlantic - Bergen - Grand Army Plaza - Eastern Pkwy

 Suspended

 CI - Prospect Park, Canal St (from  platform) to 96th St

 CI - 59th, using switches just beyond the portal for switching, Whitehall St - Astoria, local in Manhattan

 95th St - 36th St shuttle, Whitehall St - Forest Hills

 CI - 36th, 2nd Ave - 205th

On 12/29/2017 at 11:15 AM, Lawrence St said:

A Coney Island Bound train derails at 42nd St-Bryant Park, smashing into the support beams in the tunnel and eventually crashes into the wall on the northbound track. This causes structural instability on the entire 6th Avenue Line from 14th St to 57th St, and it will take at least a week to repair the damage.

 Suspended

 via 8th Ave from W4 to Columbus Circle

 via 8th Ave

 Suspended, use  

[R42N]

On December 29, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Lawrence St said:

A Coney Island Bound train derails at 42nd St-Bryant Park, smashing into the support beams in the tunnel and eventually crashes into the wall on the northbound track. This causes structural instability on the entire 6th Avenue Line from 14th St to 57th St, and it will take at least a week to repair the damage.

 

Reroute away!

Suspended 

Via 8th Avenue Exp between 59th and W4, and via the between BwyLaf and Coney Island (Culver)
via the  between Lex/63rd and Atlantic/Pacific and the  between Pacific St and Coney Island (West End)

 reduced via 8th Avenue Local b/t W4 and 5/53; Rush Hours some to Chambers St

 via Montague; Bwy Lcl, Rush Hours some to Whitehall St.

 Suspended

 

 

[quadcorder]

13 minutes ago, R42N said:

Suspended 

Via 8th Avenue Exp between 59th and W4, and via the between BwyLaf and Coney Island (Culver)
via the  between Lex/63rd and Atlantic/Pacific and the  between Pacific St and Coney Island (West End)

 reduced via 8th Avenue Local b/t W4 and 5/53; Rush Hours some to Chambers St

 via Montague; Bwy Lcl, Rush Hours some to Whitehall St.

 Suspended

 

 

No 8 Av Exp connection to the 6 Av Local at W4. You need to swap the C and D.

[Lawrence St]

Following a major Earthquake in Brooklyn, the whole Myrtle Avenue elevated has collapsed onto the street below, and rebuilding will take at least a year. 

What do you do with the (M)?

[Fresh Pond]

5 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

Following a major Earthquake in Brooklyn, the whole Myrtle Avenue elevated has collapsed onto the street below, and rebuilding will take at least a year. 

What do you do with the (M)?

Run the same pattern that's running now

[R68OnBroadway]

9 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

Following a major Earthquake in Brooklyn, the whole Myrtle Avenue elevated has collapsed onto the street below, and rebuilding will take at least a year. 

What do you do with the (M)?

You spend billions on a pointless underground line because the NIMBYs said "How dare you rebuild that ugly el, I want a underground line that will cost a ton that I will complain about and criticize the MTA for even though I asked for it"

[CenSin]

On 12/29/2017 at 11:15 AM, Lawrence St said:

A Coney Island Bound train derails at 42nd St-Bryant Park, smashing into the support beams in the tunnel and eventually crashes into the wall on the northbound track. This causes structural instability on the entire 6th Avenue Line from 14th St to 57th St, and it will take at least a week to repair the damage.

 

Reroute away!

Maybe this thread should be spun off into a “ridiculous what-if” thread. A typical collision with tunnel structures takes under a week to inspect and remedy. Service may even resume within 24 hours. Now there’s a train that can cause enough damage to destabilize the structure a mile down and a mile up the tunnel without affecting any intervening structures in between (like the PATH, 14 Street tunnel, and 53 Street tunnel)? What about the street and buildings that sit above the tunnel? And this can all be fixed in at least a week…

[LGA Link N Train]

2 hours ago, R68OnBroadway said:

You spend billions on a pointless underground line because the NIMBYs said "How dare you rebuild that ugly el, I want a underground line that will cost a ton that I will complain about and criticize the MTA for even though I asked for it"

Or punish them by giving them ZERO transit what so ever,

Wait, wouldn't the buildings be destroyed too? 

Edited December 31, 2017 by LGA Link N train

[R68OnBroadway]

26 minutes ago, LGA Link N train said:

Or punish them by giving them ZERO transit what so ever,

Wait, wouldn't the buildings be destroyed too? 

To be honest, they probably wouldn't mind the MTA rebuilding the el unlike other neighborhoods

*cough cough Astoria*

[LGA Link N Train]

17 minutes ago, R68OnBroadway said:

To be honest, they probably wouldn't mind the MTA rebuilding the el unlike other neighborhoods

*cough cough Astoria*

Well, I have to agree with you

[LGA Link N Train]

I'm going to try a what if that's different from others.

What if the MTA decided to Cuomoize the R142's and R142A/188's???

[DailyDose]

Let me try an actual scenario...

Breaking News!

Due to a recent hurricane both the East New York and Jamaica Yards have suffered significant damage. Most of the subway cars are in good shape but there is no way to get them out due to fried third rails, track destruction, and structure damage. How do you reduce and change service in order to satisfy demand? (Lets say there were 10 trains stuck at ENY and 15 at Jamaica)

[FamousNYLover]

On 1/2/2018 at 6:08 PM, DailyDose said:

Let me try an actual scenario...

Breaking News!

Due to a recent hurricane both the East New York and Jamaica Yards have suffered significant damage. Most of the subway cars are in good shape but there is no way to get them out due to fried third rails, track destruction, and structure damage. How do you reduce and change service in order to satisfy demand? (Lets say there were 10 trains stuck at ENY and 15 at Jamaica)

Jamaica Yard/East New York Yards: Closed.

(E): Trains run local east of Forest Hill. Trains willcome from Pitkin  Yards.

(F): Trains run normal. Trains will come from Coney Island or Pitkin Yards.

(J)(Z): Express and skip-stop service suspended. 

(L):  Slow Speed at Broadway Junction. Trains will be coming from Coney Island or Pitkin Yards.

(M): Service suspended between Broadway-Lafayette and Broadway Junction. Trains rerouted to/from 2nd Av (F).

(M)(R): Delays.

 

Next: Shooter at NYC Penn Station forces lock down at NY Penn Station including subway station. Trains can't pass 34th St.

Train service affected: (1)(2)(3)(A)(C)(E), LIRR, NJT and Amtrak.

Reroute this trains.

Bonus: Street closure on 7th and 8th Avs between 42nd and 28th St. Reroute BxM2, M5, M7, M20, M34, M34A, Q32, X22, X22A, X23, X24, X31, 

Edited January 13, 2018 by FamousNYLover