official Subway - What If?

[Axis]

Scenario: Sinkhole or huge water main break takes out all of 149-Concourse out of service (can’t let any  or  trains anywhere near it).

[Wallyhorse]

1 hour ago, Axis said:

Scenario: Sinkhole or huge water main break takes out all of 149-Concourse out of service (can’t let any  or  trains anywhere near it).

Here we go as this assumes it could be out for a while:

 and  in the Bronx both run between East 180th and their respective northern terminals (241st Street and Dyre Avenue) respectively).  Some trains are extended to Freeman Street southbound.

also runs from 148th Street-Lenox Terminal to Flatbush Avenue.  Some  trains in Manhattan terminate at 137th Street on the  and return from there.

service runs normal and is unaffected.

shuttle train runs 161-Yankee Stadium to Woodlawn

Regular service runs between 125th Street and Utica Avenue at all times. 
Some service to 125th Street is extended northbound to either 3rd Avenue or East 177th-Parkchester on the  
 runs in the same manner as the  in Manhattan and Brooklyn (though in Brooklyn to Flatbush Avenue) with some trains extended along the  

All service is local in The Bronx due to some  and  service running express there.

Shuttle buses run from 125th Street/Lexington Avenue to 161st Street on the  and East 180th Street on the .

Shuttle buses run from Central Park South/Lenox Avenue on the  to East 180th Street.

runs at all times between Brighton Beach and Bedford Park Boulevard

runs rush-hour level service AM Rush to Midnight.

[Jova42R]

Scenario: 63 St and 53 St Tunnels Flood. No trains can be in any of these tunnels. What happens AND what train serves Roosevelt Island?

Edited October 3, 2019 by Jova42R

[Wallyhorse]

11 hours ago, Jova42R said:

Scenario: 63 St and 53 St Tunnels Flood. No trains can be in any of these tunnels. What happens AND what train serves Roosevelt Island?

Then 60th would almost certainly also be flooded.  Assuming that, and this pattern having to be in place for an extended period:

No service directly between Queens and Manhattan EXCEPT on the .   Also no service to Roosevelt Island, which is replaced by shuttle buses between Roosevelt Avenue and there (with a stop at 21st-Queensbridge).

Shuttle buses run between Roosevelt Avenue in Queens and 50th Street-8th Avenue in Manhattan. stopping at 21st-Queensbridge, Queens Plaza, Queensboro Plaza, 63rd Street-Lexington Avenue, 60th Street-Lexington Avenue 57th Street-6th Avenue, 57th Street-7th Avenue and 50th Street-8th Avenue.

 runs LIMITED service between Chambers-WTC and Lexington Avenue-53rd Street.

 is split as follows:
Trains to/from 179th Street run at all times via the Crosstown Line between Roosevelt Avenue and Bergen Street.
Trains to/from Manhattan run regular route to 57th Street/6th Avenue and terminate there.
Some trains also run 21st-Queensbridge to 179th Street.

is extended at all times to Jamaica Center to replace the in Queens.

runs regular route at all times to Lexington Avenue-53rd Street, where it terminates 24/7 during flood work.

runs in two sections:
Regular route to 57th Street-7th Avenue and with the to 96th Street-2nd Avenue.
Queensboro Plaza to Ditmars Boulevard.

runs regular route to Lexington Avenue-60th Street, where it terminates.

 is suspended. 

Edited October 4, 2019 by Wallyhorse

[FamousNYLover]

19 hours ago, Jova42R said:

Scenario: 63 St and 53 St Tunnels Flood. No trains can be in any of these tunnels. What happens AND what train serves Roosevelt Island?

@Wallyhorse is not reading carefully. 60th St tunnel is not closed.

: Service suspended.   

    Runs local between 59th St and Canal St

: No trains along 8th Av between Queens Plaza and World Trade Center. Trains run via   between Queens Plaza and Whitehall St.

: Trains run in 2 sections. Train will run local in Queens. 

1. Between Jamaica-179th St and 21st St-Queensbridge.

2. Between Lex Av-63rd St and Coney Island-Stilwell Av.

:  Trains rerouted over to   between 47th-50th Sts and 145th Sts.

Free loop shuttle buses operates from Queensboro Plaza, Queens Plaza, Court Sq, 21st St-Queensbridge, Roosevelt Island, 21st St-Queensbridge, than return to Queensboro Plaza.

Shuttle bus routing: Queens Plaza South, Jackson Av, 44th Av, 21st St, 36th Av, 36th Av Bridge, Roosevelt Island, 36th Av Bridge, 21st St, Queens Plaza South.

Additional bus service added on Q32 bus between 74th St and Grand Central.

Additional Q102 bus service will be provided.

: No trains between 96th St and Lex Av-63rd St. 

Free shuttle buses provided along 1st-2nd Avs between Lex Av-63rd St and 96th St-2nd Av, stopping at Lex Av/60th-59th Sts station.

Shuttle bus routing: Lex Av, 57th St, 1st Av, 99th St, 2nd Av, 66th St, Lexington Av.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=14x_Ejlu-x_xDmDnACDRrstuEP0Fn-dIf&usp=sharing

Edited October 4, 2019 by FamousNYLover

[Spypenguin]

42 minutes ago, FamousNYLover said:

@Wallyhorse is not reading carefully. 60th St tunnel is not closed.

In this hypothetical situation (a flood) if the subway tubes both north and south of the 60th St Tunnel are flooded, it is okay to presume that the 60th St Tunnel would be flooded too. The response of @Wallyhorse was more effective than the suggestion of just cramming the , with it's 12+ tph during rush hours, in the tunnel with the  and . 

[FamousNYLover]

Empire State Building collasped onto 34th St-Herald Square and 34th St-Penn Stations, shutting down Broadway line between 23rd St between Times Sq, 6th Av between 23rd St and 42nd Sts, 7th-8th Avs between 23rd St and 42nd Sts, along with 6th Av PATH stations service suspended.

Affected  PATH, LIRR,  Amtrak.

Also streets between 30th and 42nd sts are closed, and between 9th Av and Mad Avs.

Bonus: Reroute buses as well.

[Jova42R]

35 minutes ago, FamousNYLover said:

Empire State Building collasped onto 34th St-Herald Square and 34th St-Penn Stations, shutting down Broadway line between 23rd St between Times Sq, 6th Av between 23rd St and 42nd Sts, 7th-8th Avs between 23rd St and 42nd Sts, along with 6th Av PATH stations service suspended.

Affected  PATH, LIRR,  Amtrak.

Also streets between 30th and 42nd sts are closed, and between 9th Av and Mad Avs.

Bonus: Reroute buses as well.

: 242 St-42 St

: runs via  from 149-GC to Nevins

: 2 sections - 14 to New Lots (Local 14-Chambers), and 42 to 135, then over the  to 149-GC

: no service between 34 St and QB Plaza

: runs between 14 and FR/Lefferts

: runs from 207 St to 59 St (local), then over the  to Jamaica Center

: no service

: no service

: runs between W4 St and Coney Island

: runs via  from Bergen St to Queens Plaza

: no service

: runs from Metropolitan Av to Delancey-Essex, then over the  to Broad St, over the  to 59 St, and then over the  to Coney Island.

: runs shuttle between Times Sq and Astoria

: 2 sections - Coney Island to Union Sq, and Times Sq to 96 St

: runs between Union Sq and Bay Ridge

: runs between Times Sq and 57 St-7 Av, then via the  to Lex-63, then via the  to 36 St, then via the  to 71 Av.

PATH: all trains to WTC

LIRR: all trains to Woodside

: all trains to Newark, cross-honoring PATH. All PABT routes rerouted to either GWB or Lower Manhattan

Amtrak: shuttle buses run from Newark to NY, Newark to New Rochelle, and New Rochelle to NY.

 

SPECIAL SERVICES:

from 207 St to 42 St (local)

 extended - QBL Local from Court Sq to 71 Av

 

Edited October 4, 2019 by Jova42R

[FamousNYLover]

2 hours ago, Jova42R said:

: 242 St-42 St

: runs via  from 149-GC to Nevins

: 2 sections - 14 to New Lots (Local 14-Chambers), and 42 to 135, then over the  to 149-GC

: no service between 34 St and QB Plaza

: runs between 14 and FR/Lefferts

: runs from 207 St to 59 St (local), then over the  to Jamaica Center

: no service

: no service

: runs between W4 St and Coney Island

: runs via  from Bergen St to Queens Plaza

: no service

: runs from Metropolitan Av to Delancey-Essex, then over the  to Broad St, over the  to 59 St, and then over the  to Coney Island.

: runs shuttle between Times Sq and Astoria

: 2 sections - Coney Island to Union Sq, and Times Sq to 96 St

: runs between Union Sq and Bay Ridge

: runs between Times Sq and 57 St-7 Av, then via the  to Lex-63, then via the  to 36 St, then via the  to 71 Av.

PATH: all trains to WTC

LIRR: all trains to Woodside

: all trains to Newark, cross-honoring PATH. All PABT routes rerouted to either GWB or Lower Manhattan

Amtrak: shuttle buses run from Newark to NY, Newark to New Rochelle, and New Rochelle to NY.

 

SPECIAL SERVICES:

from 207 St to 42 St (local)

 extended - QBL Local from Court Sq to 71 Av

 

PABT is not affected.

 can't go on  from norhtern Manhattan to Queens.

Edited October 4, 2019 by FamousNYLover

[FamousNYLover]

3 hours ago, Jova42R said:

: 242 St-42 St

: runs via  from 149-GC to Nevins

: 2 sections - 14 to New Lots (Local 14-Chambers), and 42 to 135, then over the  to 149-GC

: no service between 34 St and QB Plaza

: runs between 14 and FR/Lefferts

: runs from 207 St to 59 St (local), then over the  to Jamaica Center

: no service

: no service

: runs between W4 St and Coney Island

: runs via  from Bergen St to Queens Plaza

: no service

: runs from Metropolitan Av to Delancey-Essex, then over the  to Broad St, over the  to 59 St, and then over the  to Coney Island.

: runs shuttle between Times Sq and Astoria

: 2 sections - Coney Island to Union Sq, and Times Sq to 96 St

: runs between Union Sq and Bay Ridge

: runs between Times Sq and 57 St-7 Av, then via the  to Lex-63, then via the  to 36 St, then via the  to 71 Av.

PATH: all trains to WTC

LIRR: all trains to Woodside

: all trains to Newark, cross-honoring PATH. All PABT routes rerouted to either GWB or Lower Manhattan

Amtrak: shuttle buses run from Newark to NY, Newark to New Rochelle, and New Rochelle to NY.

 

SPECIAL SERVICES:

from 207 St to 42 St (local)

 extended - QBL Local from Court Sq to 71 Av

 

 

3 hours ago, FamousNYLover said:

Empire State Building collasped onto 34th St-Herald Square and 34th St-Penn Stations, shutting down Broadway line between 23rd St between Times Sq, 6th Av between 23rd St and 42nd Sts, 7th-8th Avs between 23rd St and 42nd Sts, along with 6th Av PATH stations service suspended.

Affected  PATH, LIRR,  Amtrak.

Also streets between 30th and 42nd sts are closed, and between 9th Av and Mad Avs.

Bonus: Reroute buses as well.

 

[Jova42R]

1 hour ago, FamousNYLover said:

PABT is not affected.

 can't go on  from northern Manhattan to Queens.

Why can the  not go on the ?

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

1 hour ago, Jova42R said:

Why can the  not go on the ?

There's no way to physically do that using the existing track layout. The whole point of this thread is to reroute trains using existing tracks. 

Furthermore, if the Empire State Building collapsed vertically (hypothetically), it wouldn't even get to 7th Avenue, come on now.

Edited October 5, 2019 by BM5 via Woodhaven

[Jova42R]

27 minutes ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

There's no way to physically do that using the existing track layout. The whole point of this thread is to reroute trains using existing tracks. 

Furthermore, if the Empire State Building collapsed vertically (hypothetically), it wouldn't even get to 7th Avenue, come on now.

Oh, I did not know that the  did not connect to the .

[Jova42R]

Scenario: Sunnyside Yards and Queensboro Plaza get hit by a meteor. No trains can run through this area. Also, a  train lost control and hit the support beams north of Court Sq, so no service on the  at Queens Plaza (Express tracks not affected). While this is happening, the 63 St Tunnels flood, and Lex-63 Station is also impassable. However, 53 and 60 St tunnels are still open.

REROUTE AWAY!

 

Reroute: , LIRR, Amtrak

Edited October 5, 2019 by Jova42R

[Wallyhorse]

On 10/4/2019 at 2:51 PM, FamousNYLover said:

@Wallyhorse is not reading carefully. 60th St tunnel is not closed.

As I said, if 53rd and 63rd are BOTH flooded, 60th Street almost certainly would have to be.  What I did was realistic, and I made clear I was assuming 60th would ALSO be flooded.

[Jova42R]

Scenario: Earthquake in Harlem (on the Harlem Fault Line). All stations along 125 St are closed, along with 110 St , 110 St , and as a precaution, The Astoria Line . Also as a precaution, MNR cannot run in Manhattan, and the 63 St Tunnels are closed.

 

Reroute: , MNR, and Amtrak (Empire Corridor).

[34bluebird]

1 hour ago, Jova42R said:

Scenario: Earthquake in Harlem (on the Harlem Fault Line). All stations along 125 St are closed, along with 110 St , 110 St , and as a precaution, The Astoria Line . Also as a precaution, MNR cannot run in Manhattan, and the 63 St Tunnels are closed.

 

Reroute: , MNR, and Amtrak (Empire Corridor).

Operates in two sections: -Between 242 St and 145 St.                                            -Between South Ferry and 116 St.

Operates in two sections:                                 -Between 241 St and 149 St/GC.                                      -Between Flatbush Av and 96 St.

Suspended.

 

operates in two sections:                                 -between Woodlawn and 149 St/GC.                              -New Lots Av and 42 St/GC on Exp Track.

operates Between Dyre Av and E 180 St.

operates two sections: --Between Pelham Bay Park and 3 Av/138 St.                    Brooklyn Bridge City Hall and 86 St or 96 St(upper level).                                                                                        operates in two sections:                                                                                  -207 St to 145 St(Upper Level).                                       -The Rockaways and Lefferts Blvd to 59 St/CC all local stops(some selected trains could run Exp in Brooklyn and Manhattan). 

 Suspended:

operate only from Brighton Beach          Normal Brighton Exp Service and via R Line from DeKalb Av to Whitehall St.

operate in two sections:  -205 St to 145 St(Lower Level).                                     -Coney Island to 59 St/CC.

operates in two sections:                                 -179 St to 21 St/Queensbridge.                 -Coney Island to 57 St/6 Av.

operates only from Metropolitan Av and Via Line to Chambers St.

operates in two sections:                                 -Ditmars Blvd to Queensborough Plaza.        -Coney Island to 96 St/2 av. Normal Weekday service in Brooklyn and Manhattan.

normal service.

operates only from 95 St to Lex Av/59 St.

Suspended.

and both make All Local stops in Queens.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[34bluebird]

2 hours ago, Jova42R said:

Scenario: Earthquake in Harlem (on the Harlem Fault Line). All stations along 125 St are closed, along with 110 St , 110 St , and as a precaution, The Astoria Line . Also as a precaution, MNR cannot run in Manhattan, and the 63 St Tunnels are closed.

 

Reroute: , MNR, and Amtrak (Empire Corridor).

Operates in two sections:

-Between 242 St and 145 St.                                            -Between South Ferry and 110 St or 116 St.

Operates in two sections:                                 

-Between 241 St and 149 St/GC.                                      -Between Flatbush Av and 96 St.

Suspended.

 

operates in two sections:                                             -between Woodlawn and 149 St/GC.                             -New Lots Av and 42 St/GC on Exp Track.

operates Between Dyre Av and E 180 St.

operates two sections:

-Between Pelham Bay Park and 3 Av/138 St.                -Brooklyn Bridge City Hall and 86 St or 96 St(upper level).                                                                                   

operates in two sections:                                               -Between 207 St and 145 St.                                             -The Rockaways and Lefferts Blvd to 59 St/CC all local stops(however some trains will operate Exp in Brooklyn and Manhattan). 

suspended.

Brighton Beach to Whitehall St Via Line. 

operate in two sections:

-205 St to 145 St(Lower Level).

-Coney Island to 59 St/CC.

 

two sections:

 -179 St to 21 St/Queensbridge.

 -Coney Island to 57 St/6 Av.

 

Metropolitan Av to Chambers St via Line.

two sections:

 -Ditmars Blvd to Queensborough Plaza.

 -Coney Island to 96 St/2 Av.

normal service.

95 St to Lex Av/59 St.

Suspended.

and make all Local stops in Queens. 

 

 

 

 

[34bluebird]

I am using a smartphone that's why it looks messed up.

[Jova42R]

@34bluebird great job!

[Jova42R]

There is a blackout at Atlantic Terminal and Borough Hall, affecting the . Reroute Away!

 

[Q23 via 108]

On 10/6/2019 at 8:12 PM, Jova42R said:

There is a blackout at Atlantic Terminal and Borough Hall, affecting the . Reroute Away!

 

I am not including , ,  and trains since they do not stop at Atlantic or Borough Hall.

 241 St to Chambers 

 Franklin Av to New Lots Av

 Woodlawn to Bowling Green 

 Dyre Av to Bowling Green

 Coney Island to 36 St via West End

 34 Street Herald Sq to 205 

 short turn at 2 Av to help out 6 Av.

Forest Hills to 2 Av

 via  and then to 96 Street

 Prospect Park to Coney Island

 To Astoria

 Pull a Livonia Set to run on Nostrand Av from Franklin Av to Flatbush.

 Shuttle buses for New Lots, and Nostrand Av lines to take them to nearby Fulton St  and Lafayette  at Franklin Avenue Station.

Edited October 8, 2019 by Q23 via 108
Reason for Edit

[Q23 via 108]

AM Rush 7:15 AM

A bomb threat at Jackson Heights/74 Street requires immediate evacuation of the area. No trains are allowed to pass through this stop.

Meanwhile, a water mainbrake at Grand Street has the Chrystie St connection backed up

There are unauthorized people on all tracks of the Manhattan Bridge because they mad about something so there a crowd of people littered all over the tracks. Police get there and a person warns a cop that he'll touch the 3rd rail, so there is a standstill on the bridge. Trains are unable to use the Manhattan Bridge. 

Then a unruly passenger pulls the emergency brake on the  in the between Grand Central and Vernon Blvd.

Also a Person jumped I front of the  at 191 St Manhattan Bound.

In addition, major signal problems are occurring on the  and   and halts Service south of 3 Av 149 st.

Then a Manhattan Bound  catches fire at Marcy Av.

Then a  train derails as it leaves Grant Avenue damaging Queens and Manhattan bound tracks.

Manhattan bound  Trains are stuck at Smith 9 street because of debris on the track. The Express tracks are undergoing repairs after a cracked rail, and no Express trains are allowed to run.

Sadly, A work train broke down inside of the city hall loop affecting  trains

Then in the Bronx, A fight breaks out at Bedford Park Blvd on a Manhattan bound  which requires police to be called.

Then a shoot out is happening in Coney Island terminal with rival gangs. All platforms are not to be used in Service.

And for the Cherry on top. We have a major collision in Times Square were a  rear ended a  and a fire engulfs both trains. 

... oh and no trains may pass through 42 st because of smoke filling up in All tunnels. (Except 6 Avenue and Lex)

Lines Affected                 

Keep in mind,   buses cannot be used in area's of high danger like Coney Island, Jackson Heights, or Times Square.

 

 

Runner up for Worst What If scenario of all time?

Edited October 8, 2019 by Q23 via 108
Had a lot of time on my hands

[R68OnBroadway]

16 minutes ago, Q23 via 108 said:

(bunch of crap)

Solution: 

1.Rockaway  runs normally

2. Pass me what you are smoking 

 

[Q23 via 108]

1 hour ago, Q23 via 108 said:

 

 

Edited October 8, 2019 by Q23 via 108