official Subway - What If?

[Jova42R]

On 3/17/2020 at 3:02 PM, Maxwell179 said:

Next :

- The Rockaway Peninsula gets completely flooded due to a bad storm

- Water main breaks at 86th St & 3rd Av affecting all tracks and stations : 86th  & 86th  

- Water main breaks at 57th St & 7 Av affecting all tracks and stations : 50th  , 49th to 57th , 47  , 57

- Southbound  derails leaving out of Chambers St

 service terminates at Broad Channel, limited bus service runs to the Rockaways

Rockaway  is suspended

 service runs between 59 St and New Lots Av, local. Shuttle  service runs between 125 St and Woodlawn.

 service runs from 42 St to South Ferry, then reverse to Wall St, then run to Flatbush, local (stops at Bowling Green twice)

 service runs between 125 St and Pelham Bay Park.

 service is suspended.

 trains run between Times Sq and Coney Island.

 trains run between Times Sq and Coney Island.

 trains run between Times Sq and Bay Ridge.

 trains are suspended

 trains run via 53rd and 8th.

 trains run from 205th to 59th ONLY!

 trains run from 42nd to Coney Island ONLY!

 trains terminate at 34th. 

 trains run from 96th to 242nd.

 trains run from Wall St to Flatbush Av.

 trains run from 241st to 96th.

SPECIAL  trains run from 148 to 96, then as a single track shuttle to 50th.

SPECIAL  trains run from Lex-63 to 96.

SPECIAL  trains run from Jackson Heights to Lex-63.

SPECIAL  trains run from Astoria to Forest Hills via 5-59 (reverse move at 5-59, trains stop at Lex-59 twice.)

Shuttle buses fill in the rest of the gaps.

 

[mrsman]

A new what if topic - that might no be so fictional.

In order to conserve resources due to the current coronavirus crisis, MTA will need to close 50 stations.

Which stations get closed, while doing the very best to still serve as much of the city as possible and only slightly increasing the amount

of walking that people do.

Which stations should get closed, and what stations will people use instead?

[Not so far fetched, see what is happening with Washington DC Metro, 

https://www.popville.com/2020/03/metro-dc-close-17-stations-wmata-washington/

]

 

[Collin]

Before that would happen, I believe they would curtail service significantly more without closing any stations.  Go all local, eliminate overlapping routes, etc.  If stations were closed, it would have to be entire lines that stopped operating.  No sense in bypassing useable stations.  Here's everything in the order I'd close them.

42nd Street  which doesn't run full time anyways.

145th and 148th, suspending service.  trains extended to New Lots. 

Nassau Street.  Everything from Bowery to Broad Street closed.   would terminate at Delancey Street/Essex Street.   would be run as a shuttle.

South Ferry, Rector, and Cortlandt, with  service becoming a 242nd-96th Shuttle.

Franklin Ave 

72nd Street, 86th Street, and 96th Street on 2nd Ave.   service suspended.   runs via Brighton.  Shuttle train for West End.

All Concourse stations since Jerome is nearby.   cut back to 59th Street Columbus Circle.

stations from 207th to 168th.   is nearby.

All  service suspended since many areas of the line have nearby stations.

All Dyre Avenue stations with  service suspended.

This brings my count up to 52.  Hopefully this doesn't happen, but that's my triage order.

[Theli11]

NEXT: 
     - A terrorist group bombs the Brooklyn, Williamsburg, Queensboro and Manhattan Bridges at the same exact time[12:26a] affecting  
     - A power outage in Downtown Brooklyn happens at 1 am (A very busy night if you ask me) affecting the    lines

You want to do quick and easy dodges before the next morning (before the Morning Rush comes) 

You have to reroute and services 

[Wallyhorse]

12 hours ago, Theli11 said:

NEXT: 
     - A terrorist group bombs the Brooklyn, Williamsburg, Queensboro and Manhattan Bridges at the same exact time[12:26a] affecting
     - A power outage in Dontown Brooklyn happens at 1 am (A very busy night if you ask me) affecting the lines

You want to do quick and easy dodges before the next morning (before the Morning Rush comes) 

You have to reroute  and  services 

If a terrorist group bombed the bridges, all service would be suspended and they would re-do the routes at a later time (similar to 9/11).

Something a little more realistic:

The ever-dreaded rail condition gremlins strike with problems in the following locations:

Wall Street  southbound
City Hall Loop (such trains can't turn at Brooklyn Bridge using it)
Montague Tunnel  southbound (NOTE: Trains CAN use Montague to/from Nassau, the problem is past the point of where Nassau Trains leave that tunnel)
2nd Avenue southbound thru track in station
Area of switches between Prospect Park and Parkside Avenue  both directions
Bay Parkway both directions.

Reroute!

[Collin]

Brooklyn Bound trains run via the from 149th Street Grand Concourse to Nevins Street.

trains run via the in both directions between Chambers Street and South Ferry, the last stop.

trains run local between Franklin Avenue and Crown Heights Utica Avenue in both directions and are extended to New Lots Avenue.

 trains run local in both directions from 125th Street to Brooklyn Bridge and terminate at Bowling Green.

trains are cut back to 125th Street.

trains are cut back to Whitehall Street.   trains are extended to Bay Ridge 95th Street.  Temporary MetroCard transfer available between Rector Street and Broad Street.  Consider using  service across the Manhattan Bridge instead.  For local service, transfer at Canal Street, DeKalb Avenue, or Atlantic Avenue Barclays Center.

service suspended.

Southbound  trains are rerouted via the  between West 4th Street and Jay Street MetroTech.  Due to lack of tunnel capacity, some  trains will terminate at 2nd Avenue.  For added capacity, some  trains are extended to Coney Island Stillwell Avenue.

trains run via the  to 36th Street, the last stop.

service suspended.

trains extended through Coney Island Stillwell Avenue to Kings Highway , the last stop.

Free shuttle buses run between Kings Highway and Prospect Park in both directions making all stops.  Alternatively, consider service from nearby  stations.

trains terminate at 62nd Street/New Utretch Avenue.  For continuing service, use .  Free shuttle buses run between Coney Island Stillwell Avenue and 62nd Street/New Utretch Avenue in both directions making all stops.

[Maxwell179]

19 hours ago, Theli11 said:

NEXT: 
     - A terrorist group bombs the Brooklyn, Williamsburg, Queensboro and Manhattan Bridges at the same exact time[12:26a] affecting  
     - A power outage in Downtown Brooklyn happens at 1 am (A very busy night if you ask me) affecting the    lines

You want to do quick and easy dodges before the next morning (before the Morning Rush comes) 

You have to reroute and services 

 : 242 - Wall / EP - Flatbush 

 : 148 - SF via  

 : Woodlawn - Boro Hall / EP - New Lots

 : Dyre - BG

 : 207 - Chambers / Utica - Far Rock / Lefferts 

 : 168 - 2nd Av via

 :  Prospect - Brighton

 : 205 -Chambers via / 36 - CI

 : 179 - York / Bergen - CI

 : Metro - Marcy

 : Astoria - Court * / 36 - CI

 : 96 - Whitehall * / Prospect - CI

 : 71 - Whitehall / 59 - 95

 : Suspended

 : JC - Marcy

 : Suspended

* short-turns at City Hall & Canal ( Lower )

[Theli11]

What about the line?

[Maxwell179]

3 hours ago, Theli11 said:

What about the line?

Oh yeah my fault

[Maxwell179]

4 hours ago, Maxwell179 said:

 : 242 - Wall / EP - Flatbush 

 : 148 - SF via  

 : Woodlawn - Boro Hall / EP - New Lots

 : Dyre - BG

 : 207 - Chambers / Utica - Far Rock / Lefferts 

 : 168 - 2nd Av via

 :  Prospect - Brighton

 : 205 -Chambers via / 36 - CI

 : 179 - York / Bergen - CI

 : Metro - Marcy

 : Astoria - Court * / 36 - CI

 : 96 - Whitehall * / Prospect - CI

 : 71 - Whitehall / 59 - 95

 : Suspended

 : JC - Marcy

 : Suspended

* short-turns at City Hall & Canal ( Lower )

 : Court Sq - Bedford

[Jova42R]

On 3/28/2020 at 12:27 PM, Wallyhorse said:

If a terrorist group bombed the bridges, all service would be suspended and they would re-do the routes at a later time (similar to 9/11).

Something a little more realistic:

The ever-dreaded rail condition gremlins strike with problems in the following locations:

Wall Street  southbound
City Hall Loop (such trains can't turn at Brooklyn Bridge using it)
Montague Tunnel  southbound (NOTE: Trains CAN use Montague to/from Nassau, the problem is past the point of where Nassau Trains leave that tunnel)
2nd Avenue southbound thru track in station
Area of switches between Prospect Park and Parkside Avenue  both directions
Bay Parkway both directions.

Reroute!

: via Lex

: ends at SF,  extended to New Lots, local.

: extended to Bowling Green.

: 95-Essex

: 71-Whitehall

: via  b/t W4 & Jay

 ends at 2 Av

: via  to Metro

 end at Prospect Park.

Franklin  runs to Coney Island with 4-car sets, at shuttle stations only 2 cars open.

 via  in Bklyn

[Collin]

A power outage has taken out both sections of the Christie Street Connection, so trains can't use it at all.

The Manhattan Bridge south tracks are not available due to an NYPD investigation.

Switch problems at World Trade Center, so  trains can't terminate there.

Reroute away!

[darkstar8983]

39 minutes ago, Collin said:

A power outage has taken out both sections of the Christie Street Connection, so trains can't use it at all.

The Manhattan Bridge south tracks are not available due to an NYPD investigation.

Switch problems at World Trade Center, so  trains can't terminate there.

Reroute away!

provided the  can still run, here's the breakdown:

 

 - Suspended

 - No trains between 34 St-Herald Sq and Atlantic Av-Barclays Center (trains run express between Atlantic Av-Barclays Center and 36 St in both directions)

 - Trains rerouted via the  from West 4 St to 2 Av, the last stop

 - Delayed

 - No trains between 71 Av and Essex St; trains rerouted via the  to/from Chambers St

 - Local via the  line from 34 St-Herald Sq to 59 St in Brooklyn

 - Local via the  line between Canal St and DeKalb Av

 - Delayed

- Suspended

[darkstar8983]

On 3/28/2020 at 12:27 PM, Wallyhorse said:

If a terrorist group bombed the bridges, all service would be suspended and they would re-do the routes at a later time (similar to 9/11).

Something a little more realistic:

The ever-dreaded rail condition gremlins strike with problems in the following locations:

Wall Street  southbound
City Hall Loop (such trains can't turn at Brooklyn Bridge using it)
Montague Tunnel  southbound (NOTE: Trains CAN use Montague to/from Nassau, the problem is past the point of where Nassau Trains leave that tunnel)
2nd Avenue southbound thru track in station
Area of switches between Prospect Park and Parkside Avenue  both directions
Bay Parkway both directions.

Reroute!

 Rerouted via Lexington. *Some trains will remain on 7 Av. Trains that run via 7 Av end at South Ferry  (local from 34 St to Chambers St)

 from 148 St to 34 St-Penn Station only

 * Some trains end at 149 St to relieve congestion

 train ends at East 180 St (Shuttle train service)

 trains extended to Bowling Green. *Reduced Service (no Parkchester short-turn trains)

 

 - Suspended

 - Select trains end at World Trade Center to relieve congestion. - Reduced service overall - Some southbound trains express from 59 St to Canal St

 - via Sea Beach (some trains may end at 9 Av)

 - Delayed due to additional train merges.

 - Select southbound trains rerouted via Crosstown  line; Other southbound trains rerouted via the  from West 4 St to Jay St-MetroTech.

 - Delayed due to  train reroute

 - via Sea Beach (some trains may end at 9 Av)

 - No service from Whitehall St to Court St; (split  service) - Additional delays to possible  reroutes to Bay Ridge that do not fit on Sea Beach

 - No trains south of Canal St

 

 

[Theli11]

On 3/28/2020 at 12:27 PM, Wallyhorse said:

The ever-dreaded rail condition gremlins strike with problems in the following locations:

Wall Street  southbound
City Hall Loop (such trains can't turn at Brooklyn Bridge using it)
Montague Tunnel  southbound (NOTE: Trains CAN use Montague to/from Nassau, the problem is past the point of where Nassau Trains leave that tunnel)
2nd Avenue southbound thru track in station
Area of switches between Prospect Park and Parkside Avenue  both directions
Bay Parkway both directions.

Reroute!

 - Trains run via Lexington Avenue Express, Shuttle Bus service is provided between Clark and Nevins Street via express

 - 145 - South Ferry via Express

  - trains run local via Lexington Avenue extended to New Lots Avenue via Local, 

  trains run express

- 125 St - Pelham Bay Park (all trains run local) 

- 2 Av to Bedford Park Blvd 

  - trains run express from Prospect Park to Kings Highway; Free Shuttle Bus Service is available from Prospect Park to Kings Highway

trains run via the line from West 4th St to Jay St - Metro Tech

trains terminate at New Utrecht Ave, transfer to the train for service to Coney Island, some trains run via Sea Beach. 

Southbound  trains run via the to DeKalb and run on 4th Av Local tracks. 

Northbound trains run normally, 

Trains are extended to Bay Ridge, 

 

 

[Jova42R]

What if:

• Due to deferred maintenance, a  train derails at Delancey-Essex, and then starts a fire in the old trolley terminal, which completely destroys the station.
• A small earthquake on the eastern end of the 125th St Fault Line hits, and the following areas are closed due to an abundance of caution
  •  77th to 125th
  •  Roosevelt to 21st
  •  96th to 72nd (you CAN turn trains at 72nd)
  • MNRR 125th to 97th Portal
• A broken rail causes the switch to fail southbound at 34th, meaning no  trains can run on the local track SB

REROUTE!

[Maxwell179]

17 minutes ago, Jova42R said:

What if:

• Due to deferred maintenance, a  train derails at Delancey-Essex, and then starts a fire in the old trolley terminal, which completely destroys the station.
• A small earthquake on the eastern end of the 125th St Fault Line hits, and the following areas are closed due to an abundance of caution
  •  77th to 125th
  •  Roosevelt to 21st
  •  96th to 72nd (you CAN turn trains at 72nd)
  • MNRR 125th to 97th Portal
• A broken rail causes the switch to fail southbound at 34th, meaning no  trains can run on the local track SB

REROUTE!

 : JC - Marcy

 : Metro - Marcy

 : Woodlawn - 149 / Utica - 59 via Lex Lcl

 : Dyre - Flatbush via 7 Av Exp ( some short-turns at E 180 )

 : PBP - 138 / 59 - BB

 : Coney Island - 179 via 53rd

 via Bway Exp SB

 : Coney Island - 72nd

[Jova42R]

1 minute ago, Maxwell179 said:

 via Bway Exp SB

not enough capacity

[Maxwell179]

8 minutes ago, Jova42R said:

not enough capacity

It’s happened before I think 

Edited April 12, 2020 by Maxwell179

[Jova42R]

1 minute ago, Maxwell179 said:

It’s happened before

Really? Can you find an example?

[Maxwell179]

4 minutes ago, Jova42R said:

Really? Can you find an example?

I’ll try but I could be wrong

[Jova42R]

2 minutes ago, Maxwell179 said:

I’ll try but I could be wrong

Ah ok.

[Wallyhorse]

On 4/12/2020 at 6:44 PM, Jova42R said:

What if:

• Due to deferred maintenance, a  train derails at Delancey-Essex, and then starts a fire in the old trolley terminal, which completely destroys the station.
• A small earthquake on the eastern end of the 125th St Fault Line hits, and the following areas are closed due to an abundance of caution
  •  77th to 125th
  •  Roosevelt to 21st
  •  96th to 72nd (you CAN turn trains at 72nd)
  • MNRR 125th to 97th Portal
• A broken rail causes the switch to fail southbound at 34th, meaning no  trains can run on the local track SB

REROUTE!

Here goes:

 runs in two sections:
Utica Avenue (New Lots overnights)-59th Street, local in Manhattan replacing the  there though supplemented by a limited number of  trains operating between Brooklyn Bridge and Grand Central.

149th Street-Woodlawn Road

Shuttle buses operate between 59th Street and 149th Street (departing both on Lexington Avenue and 60th Street and 3rd Avenue and 60th Street)
Additional shuttle buses operate from 60th Street and Lexington and 3rd Avenues to 96th Street-2nd Avenue, stopping at 63rd Street-3rd Avenue.

 runs via 7th Avenue between Nevins and 149th Street.

 runs 3rd Avenue-138th Street to Pelham Bay Park ONLY though a limited number of  trains run as noted above.

runs as follows until the fault line is fixed and/or Delancey Street reopens:
Some trains run via the Crosstown Line between Roosevelt Avenue and Bergen Street
Some trains run via 53rd Street between Roosevelt Avenue and 47th-50th Streets
Some trains run via the  between 63rd Street-Lexington Avenue and 72nd Street, where such terminate
A limited number of  trains terminate at 57th Street-6th Avenue
Some trains run also via the between West 4th and Jay Street-Metrotech
Some trains run between Coney Island and York Street in Brooklyn with a single-track shuttle between York Street and East Broadway in Manhattan.
Shuttle bus operates between York Street in Brooklyn and West 4th Street in Manhattan.

runs Marcy Avenue-Jamaica Center with Shuttle buses to Chambers Street, stopping at Essex-Delancey, Bowery and Chambers until the station can be repaired.

runs normal but with residual delays until the broken rail is fixed.

Some trains run via the  and then  between 63rd Street-Lexington Avenue and DeKalb Avenue until the broken rail is fixed.

becomes brown and runs the old  "bankers special" route from 95th Street-Chambers with some trains extended to Canal Street, where such terminate (Bowery is CLOSED).  Such runs 24/7.

becomes a 19/7 route between Whitehall Street and 71st-Continental.  Some trains at peak hours continue to Brooklyn and run via Montague and 4th Avenue to then via the  to 9th Avenue, where such trains terminate.   Until the broken rail is fixed, some trains run express between Times Square and Canal Street (Tunnel Level).

Edited April 14, 2020 by Wallyhorse

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

On 4/12/2020 at 7:15 PM, Maxwell179 said:

It’s happened before I think 

 

On 4/12/2020 at 7:16 PM, Jova42R said:

Really? Can you find an example?

It's happened before whenever  and  trains were rerouted onto the express track for whatever reason. Usually that's mitigated a little by sending some 's (and maybe some 's ) via 6th Avenue.

16 minutes ago, Wallyhorse said:

runs as follows until the fault line is fixed and/or Delancey Street reopens:
Some trains run via the Crosstown Line between Roosevelt Avenue and Bergen Street
Some trains run via 53rd Street between Roosevelt Avenue and 47th-50th Streets
Some trains run via the  between 63rd Street-Lexington Avenue and 72nd Street, where such terminate
A limited number of  trains terminate at 57th Street-6th Avenue
Some trains run also via the between West 4th and Jay Street-Metrotech
Some trains run between Coney Island and York Street in Brooklyn with a single-track shuttle between York Street and East Broadway in Manhattan.
Shuttle bus operates between York Street in Brooklyn and West 4th Street in Manhattan.

This is just way too much. I get that you have to send trains wherever possible, but there's like a whole bunch of different service patterns, and you wouldn't know which one until just before the train gets rerouted. 

Edited April 14, 2020 by BM5 via Woodhaven

[Wallyhorse]

18 hours ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

This is just way too much. I get that you have to send trains wherever possible, but there's like a whole bunch of different service patterns, and you wouldn't know which one until just before the train gets rerouted. 

This is what happens when you have to deal with the varying problems all at the same time.