ralphed007 Posted October 15, 2015 Share #5401 Posted October 15, 2015 @tprashad0719 hey man I tried to call mrs Rivera the other day, but she didn't answer. I guess I'm gonna have wait until a get that phone call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDiv238 Posted October 16, 2015 Share #5402 Posted October 16, 2015 Good Day all this thread has had a lot of great information and I appreciate everyone's insight and info. I have currently a B Division conductor for about 2 years and I am on the list for this exam. My list # is 46xx, I wanted to know if I was called for T/O would o have to resign as a conductor or would they accept me as a promotion? I have heard various answera to this, but never a concrete one. Of anyone has an answer to this please let me know. Thank you and Good Luck to all the future T/O'so on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running on Rails Posted October 16, 2015 Share #5403 Posted October 16, 2015 Good day everyone, how's everyone been? @Bdiv238,welcome to this forum, I am also a Conductor on the B division as well, waiting for T/O to call me. I'm also in the 46XX. They will look at it as a promotion in a way, because they will check your current record as a Conductor. Though you have to resign from your current title and start all over again with the paperwork.They will see you as if you were coming from the street too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTAhopefullMatt Posted October 16, 2015 Share #5404 Posted October 16, 2015 To the conductors waiting to be called on this open competitive list, I defer to your greater experience in Transit. I would caution that the training is much harder than I expected and people do flunk out. You may risk a lot if you resign your position as a conductor in order to start T/O training and you don't have reinstatement rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikNYC Posted October 16, 2015 Share #5405 Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) Good day everyone, how's everyone been? @Bdiv238,welcome to this forum, I am also a Conductor on the B division as well, waiting for T/O to call me. I'm also in the 46XX. They will look at it as a promotion in a way, because they will check your current record as a Conductor. Though you have to resign from your current title and start all over again with the paperwork.They will see you as if you were coming from the street too. You should be able to go back to your previous title, if the worst happened. Edited October 16, 2015 by ErikNYC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dainty2200 Posted October 16, 2015 Share #5406 Posted October 16, 2015 Not that easy. You can easily go back to your title under promotion not that easy under open competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeems1 Posted October 16, 2015 Share #5407 Posted October 16, 2015 Do conductors and T/O's work like regularly together as crew or you work with different staff everyday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running on Rails Posted October 16, 2015 Share #5408 Posted October 16, 2015 @mtahopefullmatt, thanks for the info brother. You're right, gotta be careful. @Dainty2200 thanks for the info as well. @mikeems1. We do work with them regularly. But keep in mind we pick different jobs/tours/and days off when it's time for picking. So you may not have the same T/O everyday. Me personally, I work with 4 different T/O's every week. But when you're new on the job, you're assign to Extra Extra List, which means you work diferent jobs everyday with different C/R's too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running on Rails Posted October 16, 2015 Share #5409 Posted October 16, 2015 @mikeems1...also keep in mind on a daily basis most of the time you and the T/O will report and clear at the same time sometimes the train operators job starts a little earlier than the conductors job because they have Put-ins at the beginning, meaning they prepare a Train for service and the Conductor just picks up the train at the station at the time of departure, some Conductor jobs may also have to be part of the Put-in at yards along with the T/O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeems1 Posted October 16, 2015 Share #5410 Posted October 16, 2015 Thanks for the info @Runningonrails. Hope the T/O letter comes soon. I signed up for the Conductors test as well. Is it difficult? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikNYC Posted October 17, 2015 Share #5411 Posted October 17, 2015 Not that easy. You can easily go back to your title under promotion not that easy under open competitive. I have people in my class and sister classes, and their title is waiting for them, if the unthinkable happens, they have one year to return to their former titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dainty2200 Posted October 17, 2015 Share #5412 Posted October 17, 2015 Yes thats under promotion correct. Because if you are a conductor and take the position of a train operator under open competitive i was told you cant just decide that you want to go back to your old position just like that. I was told if you took train operator as a promotion that is the only way you can go back tonyour old title within 1 year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PATCOman Posted October 17, 2015 Share #5413 Posted October 17, 2015 I'm currently a train operator in the B division who took both open competitive train operator and conductor exams. I was called for conductor first and when I became a train operator, I did not have to resign as a conductor at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running on Rails Posted October 17, 2015 Share #5414 Posted October 17, 2015 @Patcoman....that's great information you just gave out. I'm a C/R on the B division as well. Just curious, so beign that you didn't have to resign, what did the put you out as? What did they have you do? Did they say you can go back to C/R? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PATCOman Posted October 18, 2015 Share #5415 Posted October 18, 2015 They considered me as a promotional and they said I can go back to conductor. I messaged someone in the Union and they said I can go back. I just entered on the forms that I worked with the MTA as a conductor. As long as you finish your probation as a conductor, you're good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTAhopefullMatt Posted October 18, 2015 Share #5416 Posted October 18, 2015 I knew that on promotional exams you can return to your old title within one year, but the answer seems less clear if you're starting a new title through an open- competitive exam. Given that experienced conductors make almost as much as train operators (the big pay spread is in starting salaries), and much of the appeal of work in Transit lies in the pension and benefits, I wouldn't change titles from conductor to train operator if I didn't have definite reinstatement rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dainty2200 Posted October 18, 2015 Share #5417 Posted October 18, 2015 As i said before i dont think you can be a conductor and take the open competitive exam as train operator and its considered as a promotion. I strongly believe you will have to give up your position as a conductor to be a train operator. I believe the only way you can be a conductor and become a train operator and go back to a conductor within 1 year is if you take the train operator exam under a promotional exam. The way you can get a definite answer is by calling the union and asking for the upgrade fund department 7187808700. I asked this question myself because i am a bus operator. Im on the list for train operator and because of the answer they gave me i applied for train operator (promotion) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTAhopefullMatt Posted October 18, 2015 Share #5418 Posted October 18, 2015 Dainty, thanks for posting the union #. I think this is a real danger zone. I would recommend that anyone move to train operator on a promotional list, but there's too much risk and stress if you'll be "on the street" (unemployed, unable to return to previous title) if you fail T/O training. A significant percentage of candidates do wash out in every training cycle - it can be 10%, it could be 30%, but it's a real risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tprashad0719 Posted October 18, 2015 Share #5419 Posted October 18, 2015 What are the reasons why people are not making it thru training? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTAhopefullMatt Posted October 18, 2015 Share #5420 Posted October 18, 2015 It depends on the person. The training is very intense and operating a train is nothing like driving a car/van/bus or truck. There's a lot of mechanical and electrical work involved in the training that not everyone is suited for or has prior experience doing. It's a whole new language and thousands of facts you're learning and trying to memorize within a few months. Some people cannot devote as much time to study or memorization as they would like, due for example to family commitments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tprashad0719 Posted October 18, 2015 Share #5421 Posted October 18, 2015 I hear that ,my starting day is coming soon and I've been really stressed out knowing there a chance something like this would happen but I will give it all I have ..it's been in my head knowing I'm leaving a job to do this and myself is married with a 3 year old and everyday it crosses my mind what if... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dainty2200 Posted October 18, 2015 Share #5422 Posted October 18, 2015 Always think positive. Just keep in mind that there's a bigger picture. You will do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tprashad0719 Posted October 18, 2015 Share #5423 Posted October 18, 2015 Appreciate that dainty,been praying alot man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running on Rails Posted October 19, 2015 Share #5424 Posted October 19, 2015 Thanks @ PATCOman, I really appreciate the info very much because beign that I am currently a Conductor, had a small fear that if a get called for Train Operator under the Open Competitive list I would not be able to go back to Conductor if the worst was to happen. Someone from the Union told me they rather just put me back to my previous title instead of paying someone else to get trained. @tprashad0719, you're gonna be alright my brother, just think positive and everything else will como along the way. @mikeems1, let's keep our fingers crossed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeems1 Posted October 19, 2015 Share #5425 Posted October 19, 2015 Tks @runningonrails, deff fingers crossed. How do you like being a conductor? Interesting? Does time go by, what does the job consist of if you don't mind me asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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