trainfan22 Posted December 31, 2011 Share #326 Posted December 31, 2011 The MTA removed LIB from the service status page. The rest of the site still has LIB info in the places they would normally be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom909 Posted December 31, 2011 Share #327 Posted December 31, 2011 The N8 had good intentions but the routing sucks. It runs along the N25 on Franklin Ave, so they steal riders from each other, depending on which bus comes first. Most of it's riders just want to get dropped off along Franklin Ave north of Dutch Broadway, or picked up and taken to the N6, the N25 can handle that. Some runs for both lines are scheduled mins apart, so you'll see a N8 and N25 running down Franklin Ave together, with one or the other basically empty, lame. Then It runs along Dutch Broadway which is fine, most people had to walk from the N1 or N2.(and still do). The bus also runs like crap, It's just some route on 1 hour headways and therefore has no meaningful connections to the N4 or N6. Before this whole Violia thing, It would have been more useful to have the (Q83) or (Q4) cover Dutch Broadway. I think riders would rather go to Jamaica, or up Elmont Road to the N6, as opposed to Franklin Ave, though if the bus went to Hempstead it would have had higher ridership. It would have been a Hempstead-Green Acres bus, and an alternative to the crowded N6. Especially for those who would have had to transfer to the N1. Originally the N3 ran from Green Acres to Hempstead, but it was shortened to Green Acres to Franklin Square about 25 years ago. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted December 31, 2011 Share #328 Posted December 31, 2011 Originally the N3 ran from Green Acres to Hempstead, but it was shortened to Green Acres to Franklin Square about 25 years ago. Joe Cool. Did it use Hempstead Turnpike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom909 Posted December 31, 2011 Share #329 Posted December 31, 2011 Cool. Did it use Hempstead Turnpike? Yes it did. It ran to hempstead where the Rosa Parks terminal is now. It ended at Jackson and Station Plaza north of the old terminal. Back then the N6 didnt end at the old terminal either. It ended at Washington Ave and Cooper Street Extension where the Associated supermarket is now. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted December 31, 2011 Share #330 Posted December 31, 2011 I had to do a science lab involving the first MSBA map released in 1973. If I could get ahold of a map, I could try to scan it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted December 31, 2011 Share #331 Posted December 31, 2011 Yes it did. It ran to hempstead where the Rosa Parks terminal is now. It ended at Jackson and Station Plaza north of the old terminal. Back then the N6 didnt end at the old terminal either. It ended at Washington Ave and Cooper Street Extension where the Associated supermarket is now. Joe Oh that's pretty interesting. When was the terminal built? I had to do a science lab involving the first MSBA map released in 1973. If I could get ahold of a map, I could try to scan it... I think I saw a partial scan of a MSBA map somewhere, it showed a N5 bus following the N4 and turning on Central Ave(N1 routing) to head to the Mall. I guess when the MTA extended the (Q5) and (Q85) to Green Acres, it wasn't needed anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom909 Posted December 31, 2011 Share #332 Posted December 31, 2011 Since today is the last day of the MTA running Nassau buses. I felt it would be good to give you guys what MSBA routes were in 1975 when I first moved here from Queens. N1 Elmont Rd & Hempstead Tpke to Green acres Mall with rush hour service to Jamaica Bus Terminal. N2 Meacham Ave & Hempstead Tpke to Green Acres. with Rush hour service from Valley Stream State Park to Jamaica Bus Terminal N3 Jackson Ave & Station Plaza, Hempstead to Green Acres. when they shortened it in about 1977 to Franklin Sq to the mall, they added a Rush hour N3 from Lakeview Ave & Ocean Ave to Jamaica Bus Terminal N4 168th Place & 88th Ave Jamaica to freeport RR Station N5 168th Place & 88th Ave Jamaica to Grant Park. in 1976 the N5 was changed from Valley Stream, Central Ave & Merrick Rd to Oceanside, Weidner Ave & Long Beach Rd. N6 Jamaica Bus Terminal to Hempstead, Washington Ave & Cooper St Extension. N14 Rockville Center Loop N15 Roosevelt Field to Long Beach RR N16 Hempstead Bus Terminal to Silver Lake, Baldwin N17 Hempstead Bus Terminal to Rockville Centre RR N19 Freeport RR to Babylon RR N21 Flushing, Prince St & Roosevelt Ave to Glen Cove N22 165th Street & Janaica Avenue to East Williston, Hillside Ave & Rex Ct. N22A 165th street & Jamaica Avenue to Roosevelt Field via Hillside Ave. N22B 165th Street & Jamaica Avenue to Hicksville Mid-Island Mall N23 Manorhaven State Park to mineola RR N24 165th Street & Jamaica Avenue to Roosevelt Field via Jericho Tpke. N25 Great Neck RR to Lynbrook RR N32C 5 Corners (Broadway & Merrick Rd) Lynbrook to Far Rockaway, B. 20th Street and Seagirt Blvd via Central Ave. N32W 5 Corners (Broadway & Merrick Rd) Lynbrook to Far Rockaway, B. 20th & Seagirt Blvd via West Broadway N33 B.21st Street & Mott Ave, Far Rockaway to Long Beach RR N36 Post Ave & School Street, Westbury. The route ran to Hempstead Bus Terminal then made a loop following present day N35 to Grand Ave & Atlantic, then follows present day N36 to Lynbrook RR, then followed present day N31/32 back to Hempstead and then back to Westbury Post Ave & School Street. N37 Post Ave & School Street, Westbury. This route ran the N36 in Reverse. to Hempstead, Lynbrook, Baldwin back to Hempstead and then to Westbury. N38A Hempstead Bus Terminal. It ran the East Meadow loop that is present day N47PM Service N38B Hempstead Bus Terminal . It ran the East Meadow Loop of present day N47AM Service N39C Hempstead Bus Terminal to Hicksville Mid-Island Mall via Carmen Ave. N39D Hempstead Bus Terminal to Hicksville Mid Island Mall via Newbridge Rd. N39DD Hempstead Bus Terminal to Hicksville Mid Island mall via Duffy Ave N40 Mineola RR to Freeport RR via N. Main Street N40B Mineola RR to Freeport RR via Babylon Tpke N42 Mineola RR Loop via 2nd Street, Roslyn Rd, Westbury Ave, Glen Cove Rd, Jericho Tpk , Roslyn rd and 2nd Street. this route lasted only a short time in 1976 N45 Roosevelt Field to Merrick Rd & Centre Ave Bellmore. In 1975 it had a slight diversion at Park Ave & Washington Ave in Roosevelt to Nassau Rd & Back N51 Roosevelt Field to Merrick RR N52 Hempstead Bus Terminal to Washington Ave & Merrick Rd, Seaford N52B Hempstead Bus Terminal to Amityville RR N53 Massapequa RR Loop via Park Blvd, carmens rd & front Street N56 Great Neck RR Loop via Bayview Ave N57 Great Neck RR Loop via Shore Rd N58 Kings Pt Merchant Marine Academy to Great Neck RR' N59 Great Neck RR to Mineola RR.via Marcus Ave & herricks Rd started in 1976, didnt last long N62 Freeport RR Loop N69 Long Beach RR to Point Lookout N72 Hempstead Bus Terminal to Babylon RR N72A Hempstead Bus Terminal to Farmingdale Conklin & Rte 110. This route left Hempstead Tpke at Jerusalem Ave, went North and then to some side streets, I dont remember them all but basically followed the Power Lines (Old LIRR Central Branch to Wantagh Ave, to 107, to Central ave, Stewert Ave Back to Hempstead Tpke. N72C Hempstead Bus terminal to Levittown Loop via Hempstead Tpke, Centre Ave, North Jerusalem, Wantagh Ave to Hempstead Tpke and back N72G Hempstead Bus Terminal to Levittown Loop via Hempstead Tpke, Gardiners Ave, North Jerusalem, Wantagh ave, Hempstead Tpke and back N73 Hicksville Mid-Island Mall to Wantagh Merrick Rd & Wantagh Ave N77 Glen Cove to Roosevelt Field with rush hour extension to Hempstead Bus Terminal (present day N27) N79 Mineola RR to Walt Whitman Mall N79A Mineola RR to Plainview Loop via Newton Rd, LIE South Service Rd to Old Country Rd N80 Hicksville Mid Island Mall to Sunrise Mall via Broadway N80A Hicksville Mid Island Mall to Sunrise Mall via Hicksville Rd. N82 Levittown Division Ave & Hempstead Tpke to Bellmore Centre Ave & Merrick Rd. JB21 Flushing Prince St & Roosevelt Ave to Jones Beach JB24 Jamaica 165th & Jamaica Ave to Jones Beack JB39 Hicksville RR to Jones Beach JB62 Freeport RR to Jones Beach JB73 Wantagh RR to Jones Beach S40 Babylon RR to Patchogue RR, For a couple of years in the late 70s MSBA ran this route LIRR Service Ronkonkoma RR to Greenport RR. Before the LIRR rehabbed those tracks there was no train service so MSBA ran it Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom909 Posted December 31, 2011 Share #333 Posted December 31, 2011 Oh that's pretty interesting. When was the terminal built? the Old terminal was there in 1975. the Rosa Parks Transit center opened in 1993 I think I saw a partial scan of a MSBA map somewhere, it showed a N5 bus following the N4 and turning on Central Ave(N1 routing) to head to the Mall. I guess when the MTA extended the (Q5) and (Q85) to Green Acres, it wasn't needed anymore. The N5 was discontinued about 30 years ago Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4 Via Merrick Rd Posted December 31, 2011 Share #334 Posted December 31, 2011 Well, the was willing to give them more time to sign a contract. Hopefully they do. Maybe they can work something out with the for good (yeah, I know, that ain't happening). Well unless Veolia does a bad job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4 Via Merrick Rd Posted December 31, 2011 Share #335 Posted December 31, 2011 Since today is the last day of the MTA running Nassau buses. I felt it would be good to give you guys what MSBA routes were in 1975 when I first moved here from Queens. N1 Elmont Rd & Hempstead Tpke to Green acres Mall with rush hour service to Jamaica Bus Terminal. N2 Meacham Ave & Hempstead Tpke to Green Acres. with Rush hour service from Valley Stream State Park to Jamaica Bus Terminal N3 Jackson Ave & Station Plaza, Hempstead to Green Acres. when they shortened it in about 1977 to Franklin Sq to the mall, they added a Rush hour N3 from Lakeview Ave & Ocean Ave to Jamaica Bus Terminal N4 168th Place & 88th Ave Jamaica to freeport RR Station N5 168th Place & 88th Ave Jamaica to Grant Park. in 1976 the N5 was changed from Valley Stream, Central Ave & Merrick Rd to Oceanside, Weidner Ave & Long Beach Rd. N6 Jamaica Bus Terminal to Hempstead, Washington Ave & Cooper St Extension. N14 Rockville Center Loop N15 Roosevelt Field to Long Beach RR N16 Hempstead Bus Terminal to Silver Lake, Baldwin N17 Hempstead Bus Terminal to Rockville Centre RR N19 Freeport RR to Babylon RR N21 Flushing, Prince St & Roosevelt Ave to Glen Cove N22 165th Street & Janaica Avenue to East Williston, Hillside Ave & Rex Ct. N22A 165th street & Jamaica Avenue to Roosevelt Field via Hillside Ave. N22B 165th Street & Jamaica Avenue to Hicksville Mid-Island Mall N23 Manorhaven State Park to mineola RR N24 165th Street & Jamaica Avenue to Roosevelt Field via Jericho Tpke. N25 Great Neck RR to Lynbrook RR N32C 5 Corners (Broadway & Merrick Rd) Lynbrook to Far Rockaway, B. 20th Street and Seagirt Blvd via Central Ave. N32W 5 Corners (Broadway & Merrick Rd) Lynbrook to Far Rockaway, B. 20th & Seagirt Blvd via West Broadway N33 B.21st Street & Mott Ave, Far Rockaway to Long Beach RR N36 Post Ave & School Street, Westbury. The route ran to Hempstead Bus Terminal then made a loop following present day N35 to Grand Ave & Atlantic, then follows present day N36 to Lynbrook RR, then followed present day N31/32 back to Hempstead and then back to Westbury Post Ave & School Street. N37 Post Ave & School Street, Westbury. This route ran the N36 in Reverse. to Hempstead, Lynbrook, Baldwin back to Hempstead and then to Westbury. N38A Hempstead Bus Terminal. It ran the East Meadow loop that is present day N47PM Service N38B Hempstead Bus Terminal . It ran the East Meadow Loop of present day N47AM Service N39C Hempstead Bus Terminal to Hicksville Mid-Island Mall via Carmen Ave. N39D Hempstead Bus Terminal to Hicksville Mid Island Mall via Newbridge Rd. N39DD Hempstead Bus Terminal to Hicksville Mid Island mall via Duffy Ave N40 Mineola RR to Freeport RR via N. Main Street N40B Mineola RR to Freeport RR via Babylon Tpke N42 Mineola RR Loop via 2nd Street, Roslyn Rd, Westbury Ave, Glen Cove Rd, Jericho Tpk , Roslyn rd and 2nd Street. this route lasted only a short time in 1976 N45 Roosevelt Field to Merrick Rd & Centre Ave Bellmore. In 1975 it had a slight diversion at Park Ave & Washington Ave in Roosevelt to Nassau Rd & Back N51 Roosevelt Field to Merrick RR N52 Hempstead Bus Terminal to Washington Ave & Merrick Rd, Seaford N52B Hempstead Bus Terminal to Amityville RR N53 Massapequa RR Loop via Park Blvd, carmens rd & front Street N56 Great Neck RR Loop via Bayview Ave N57 Great Neck RR Loop via Shore Rd N58 Kings Pt Merchant Marine Academy to Great Neck RR' N59 Great Neck RR to Mineola RR.via Marcus Ave & herricks Rd started in 1976, didnt last long N62 Freeport RR Loop N69 Long Beach RR to Point Lookout N72 Hempstead Bus Terminal to Babylon RR N72A Hempstead Bus Terminal to Farmingdale Conklin & Rte 110. This route left Hempstead Tpke at Jerusalem Ave, went North and then to some side streets, I dont remember them all but basically followed the Power Lines (Old LIRR Central Branch to Wantagh Ave, to 107, to Central ave, Stewert Ave Back to Hempstead Tpke. N72C Hempstead Bus terminal to Levittown Loop via Hempstead Tpke, Centre Ave, North Jerusalem, Wantagh Ave to Hempstead Tpke and back N72G Hempstead Bus Terminal to Levittown Loop via Hempstead Tpke, Gardiners Ave, North Jerusalem, Wantagh ave, Hempstead Tpke and back N73 Hicksville Mid-Island Mall to Wantagh Merrick Rd & Wantagh Ave N77 Glen Cove to Roosevelt Field with rush hour extension to Hempstead Bus Terminal (present day N27) N79 Mineola RR to Walt Whitman Mall N79A Mineola RR to Plainview Loop via Newton Rd, LIE South Service Rd to Old Country Rd N80 Hicksville Mid Island Mall to Sunrise Mall via Broadway N80A Hicksville Mid Island Mall to Sunrise Mall via Hicksville Rd. N82 Levittown Division Ave & Hempstead Tpke to Bellmore Centre Ave & Merrick Rd. JB21 Flushing Prince St & Roosevelt Ave to Jones Beach JB24 Jamaica 165th & Jamaica Ave to Jones Beack JB39 Hicksville RR to Jones Beach JB62 Freeport RR to Jones Beach JB73 Wantagh RR to Jones Beach S40 Babylon RR to Patchogue RR, For a couple of years in the late 70s MSBA ran this route LIRR Service Ronkonkoma RR to Greenport RR. Before the LIRR rehabbed those tracks there was no train service so MSBA ran it Joe Wow! there were way more routes back then. Some are the same today. some had minor reroutes for example the N4 got rerouted to Parsons/Archer I saw 1772 and 1599(i rode that bus once) the Logo is sealed over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted December 31, 2011 Share #336 Posted December 31, 2011 Do you remember when the N4 was rerouted to Jamaica Center? I thought I read that the day it opened in 1988 the N4 was diverted to JC rather than following the N1/2/3/6 to 165th. The old terminal was there for decades, but judging from Joe's list (and seeing the area where the terminal once was), space for buses was extremely tight. By the time the current Transit Center opened in 1993, half of those routes were gone. There was also a demo of a DAC artic in 1982.. Why didn't the MSBA/MTA take up on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4 Via Merrick Rd Posted December 31, 2011 Share #337 Posted December 31, 2011 Do you remember when the N4 was rerouted to Jamaica Center? I thought I read that the day it opened in 1988 the N4 was diverted to JC rather than following the N1/2/3/6 to 165th. The old terminal was there for decades, but judging from Joe's list (and seeing the area where the terminal once was), space for buses was extremely tight. By the time the current Transit Center opened in 1993, half of those routes were gone. There was also a demo of a DAC artic in 1982.. Why didn't the MSBA/MTA take up on this? So thanks to the HTC those routes got eliminated. Hmmm I see. I dont think an Artic would be fit for LIB or NICE Oh Yeah The rerouting of the N4 to Parsons/Archer was something i wanted to know. I even started a thread on that to get some answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4 Via Merrick Rd Posted December 31, 2011 Share #338 Posted December 31, 2011 Oh Yeah I saw the Orion 5/7s # 1772 and 1599 and 1623 on N1 and 1733 on the N4 the LIB logo was sealed(it looked weird) over i guess they are getting ready. I think they're going to wrap the buses not paint them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4 Via Merrick Rd Posted December 31, 2011 Share #339 Posted December 31, 2011 HEY GUYS I FORGOT TO TELL YOU. I FOUND THE OLD 2000-2003 Turquoise LIB schedules heres how you find them. MTA Long Island Bus: Old Schedules FOUND!!!!!!!!! and where and how to find them. - YouTube THIS IS A TRUE MEMORY OF what was LONG ISLAND BUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom909 Posted December 31, 2011 Share #340 Posted December 31, 2011 Do you remember when the N4 was rerouted to Jamaica Center? I thought I read that the day it opened in 1988 the N4 was diverted to JC rather than following the N1/2/3/6 to 165th. The N4 went to Jamaica Center the day the station opened. The N4 before then started near the 169th street & Hillside Ave station. it stopped at the Jamaica bus terminal using the bays that the Q6,Q8,Q9, and Q41 use now. Green Bus lines used to have a seperate terminal back in the 1960`s on Archer Ave between New York Blvd (Now Guy R. Brewer Blvd.) and 165th Street. Schenck buses N22 & N24 used to service it also. The property was sold to Gertz Department stores which built a multi-level garage there. Green Line Q6,Q8,Q9, and Q41 were moved to start on 165th between Archer & Jamaica Aves. Schenck N22 and N24 were moved to 165th between Jamaica and 89th Ave where the 165th Street Mall is now The old terminal was there for decades, but judging from Joe's list (and seeing the area where the terminal once was), space for buses was extremely tight. By the time the current Transit Center opened in 1993, half of those routes were gone. Yes it was tight, saw a number of buses scraping other buses pulling into the diagaonal bays. There was also a demo of a DAC artic in 1982.. Why didn't the MSBA/MTA take up on this? I remember those artics being tested on the N21. Don`t know why they were never bought. It semed like MSBA was a place for the MTA to test buses. Nassau had the Gillig Phantoms which the city never purchased. MSBA had the first Orion 5`s back in the mid 80`s before the MTA bought some for NYC Transit. Same with the CNG buses. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted December 31, 2011 Share #341 Posted December 31, 2011 The terminal had nothing to do with routes getting cut. Rerouted, maybe, but plenty of those routes Joe listed were gone by '93, along with the former PBL New Looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted January 1, 2012 Share #342 Posted January 1, 2012 I wonder if any bus fans here will do some "hawk" bus fanning to ride one of the first runs under NICE? I know railfans did something slimar when the first train over the Manhattan Bridge ran around midnight and some fans stayed up to ride it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted January 1, 2012 Share #343 Posted January 1, 2012 Originally the N3 ran from Green Acres to Hempstead, but it was shortened to Green Acres to Franklin Square about 25 years ago. Joe In one of the maps it shows the N8 heading to Hempstead , but never heard of the N3 going towards Hempstead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom909 Posted January 1, 2012 Share #344 Posted January 1, 2012 In one of the maps it shows the N8 heading to Hempstead , but never heard of the N3 going towards Hempstead it stopped going to hempstead about 35 years ago. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted January 1, 2012 Share #345 Posted January 1, 2012 Well damn... the MTA wasted no time in removing LIB entirely off of their website. Only the five boroughs in there now. NICE is now underway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted January 1, 2012 Share #346 Posted January 1, 2012 That reminds me, the kiosks at the Mineola Intermodal Center run off the MTA website to provide schedules. Veolia has to work on those to run off NICE's website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted January 1, 2012 Share #347 Posted January 1, 2012 Oh Yeah I saw the Orion 5/7s # 1772 and 1599 and 1623 on N1 and 1733 on the N4 the LIB logo was sealed(it looked weird) over i guess they are getting ready. I think they're going to wrap the buses not paint them Well damn... the MTA wasted no time in removing LIB entirely off of their website. Only the five boroughs in there now. NICE is now underway! The also wasted no time removing the logo from the top of Mitchell Field, it was gone by thur/fri. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PinePower Posted January 1, 2012 Share #348 Posted January 1, 2012 Well damn... the MTA wasted no time in removing LIB entirely off of their website. Only the five boroughs in there now. NICE is now underway! They should have a redirect to the NICE website, but it's no suprise, just couldn't wait to get out of here. Now I imagine they are slapping new tape and NICE logos on the buses tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted January 1, 2012 Share #349 Posted January 1, 2012 They should have a redirect to the NICE website, but it's no suprise, just couldn't wait to get out of here. Now I imagine they are slapping new tape and NICE logos on the buses tonight. Well the buses are being repainted, it's more than just putting an EVIL logo where the Long Island Bus logo used to be. They're giving the buses an entire new look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted January 1, 2012 Share #350 Posted January 1, 2012 In one of the maps it shows the N8 heading to Hempstead , but never heard of the N3 going towards Hempstead The MTA originally planned to run the N8 to Hempstead via Hempstead Turnpike and Front St, but I think they lacked the funding or something so they put a hold on those plans. The N8 always had its current terminal in Franklin Square, but they forgot to remove it from the map before publishing it They should have a redirect to the NICE website, but it's no suprise, just couldn't wait to get out of here. Now I imagine they are slapping new tape and NICE logos on the buses tonight. Well the buses are being repainted, it's more than just putting an EVIL logo where the Long Island Bus logo used to be. They're giving the buses an entire new look. I've seen 2 buses in service so far that haven't been repainted yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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