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I wonder if Mr. Cuomo is using an 8 ball to decide the fate of the Javits Center. How can he be so sure the property can be sold and redeveloped so speedily? What if it sits empty for another 10 - 20 years before it gets redeveloped? I thought the whole 7 extension process was to bring/build life to the west side. If the rzaing goes thru the 7 train will have been extended for nothing. But at least there will be a one seat ride... to nowhereland. Population = homeless, derelicts and hippies.

 

It won't. The Javits Center sits on one an extremely optimal piece of land for development on an island that literally has no room to build on. Guys like Trump would swoop in in a New York Minute to take that land over.

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What?? A casino at Aqueduct?? Boy, that may tense the Native Americans up, who have been rakeing in the cash all these years at their casinos. Finally a sound idea for good paying jobs (legal or otherwise) that the State of NY can get a piece of the action on, but will it fly???:confused::tup:

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lol, Where have you been? The casino has been running there for a few months now.

 

I wonder if Mr. Cuomo is using an 8 ball to decide the fate of the Javits Center. How can he be so sure the property can be sold and redeveloped so speedily? What if it sits empty for another 10 - 20 years before it gets redeveloped? I thought the whole 7 extension process was to bring/build life to the west side. If the rzaing goes thru the 7 train will have been extended for nothing. But at least there will be a one seat ride... to nowhereland. Population = homeless, derelicts and hippies.

 

Well, that's what power does to people - make them power mad. A few victories on some issues and he already thinks he's unstoppable.

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I'd like to chime in on this topic if I may. If you put all the pieces together, as I've pointed out in other threads, this whole enchilada comes across as a underhanded real estate scheme. First you have the (7) extension to the Javits Center ( minus 1 station ). Couple that with the Hudson rail yard proposals. Mix in the (7) to New Jersey proposals. Let it simmer for awhile. While it's simmering throw in a re-activation of the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Branch. Shake, stir, and WOW, a full fledged casino is born. Jobs are created for the people and all is well. Don't misunderstand me. I'd love to see a real casino developed in NYC. It beats the schlep to AC, the Poconos, or Connecticut hands down. If you look at the whole picture, however, it seems that the real estate interests will be the ultimate jackpot winners in the long run because every ingredient I threw into my "make-believe" pot will increase in value without those interests having to pony up little or no money up front. John Q. Public is about to be fleeced again. Just my opinion. Remember to follow the money trail and don't get blinded by the shiny lights. Carry on.

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I'd like to chime in on this topic if I may. If you put all the pieces together, as I've pointed out in other threads, this whole enchilada comes across as a underhanded real estate scheme. First you have the (7) extension to the Javits Center ( minus 1 station ). Couple that with the Hudson rail yard proposals. Mix in the (7) to New Jersey proposals. Let it simmer for awhile. While it's simmering throw in a re-activation of the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Branch. Shake, stir, and WOW, a full fledged casino is born. Jobs are created for the people and all is well. Don't misunderstand me. I'd love to see a real casino developed in NYC. It beats the schlep to AC, the Poconos, or Connecticut hands down. If you look at the whole picture, however, it seems that the real estate interests will be the ultimate jackpot winners in the long run because every ingredient I threw into my "make-believe" pot will increase in value without those interests having to pony up little or no money up front. John Q. Public is about to be fleeced again. Just my opinion. Remember to follow the money trail and don't get blinded by the shiny lights. Carry on.

 

 

 

Well said my friend. The # 1 goal is for businessmen and some woman to become rich of this deal if succesful. Second is for Cuomo, Jr. (and his team) to get re-elected and eye a possible 2018 White House Run. While on the other hand, getting possible voters in the construction field back to work and expanding the NYC subway/Airtrain system as well is low on the list.

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Looks like the Governor only 24 hours after announcing his future plan for Aqueduct has already found some NIMBY's and critics to the proposal.

 

Gov. Andrew Cuomo's Grand Convention Center Plan Attacked From Many Angles « CBS New York

 

Gee, I'm shocked I'll tell you, shocked!! (LOL!!!)

 

I would think everyone knew that was coming!!

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Stop freaking pushing for a subway station at 79th and 1st. We yorkville residents don't want the subway that close to us, how many times must i say this.

 

If that were to happen, it would be a LONG, LONG way off.

 

The initial connection would be to the existing tunnels and the local line at Rego Park, and more than likely a second connection would be from a new Super Express that would share the 63rd street tunnel with the (F) from either the 6th Avenue or Broadway Line. A 79th Street tunnel and SAS stop at York-1st Avenue would probably not be until all of us (well, almost everyone here) are six feet under, if ever.

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If that were to happen, it would be a LONG, LONG way off.
That's the thing with all your proposals. They are not relevant to the plans or not relevant on the timeline. The article about the casino at Aqueduct only made a few short statements about the AirTrain connections and somehow it explodes into all of the grand expansion plans all the way from 2 Avenue.

 

The initial connection would be to the existing tunnels and the local line at Rego Park, and more than likely a second connection would be from a new Super Express that would share the 63rd street tunnel with the (F) from either the 6th Avenue or Broadway Line.
This would probably not be until all of us are six feet under.

 

A 79th Street tunnel and SAS stop at York-1st Avenue would probably not be until all of us (well, almost everyone here) are six feet under, if ever.

And this will never happen (practically speaking). The original plan to connect the 2 Avenue line to Queens at 79 Street changed. It is now known as the 63 Street connector. They shifted it south! It's been done already.

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Looks like there will be another NICE thing coming to Queens.

 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203471004577143333474410466.html

 

Genting's agreement with the state also proposes up to 3,000 hotel rooms with the convention center—a project it dubbed the New York International Convention and Exhibition Center, or NICE.

 

Other NICE news, Genting wants and is willing to fund non stop subway service.

 

Genting said it would work with the Metropolitan Transportation Authority to fund uninterrupted subway service between Midtown Manhattan and the proposed convention center—a bid to alleviate concerns over the site's remote location.

 

It's not clear what such service would look like. In the 1980s, the MTA operated the "Train to the Plane," which ran along the A line and stopped in Manhattan and Downtown Brooklyn before running nonstop to Howard Beach, where passengers transferred to a shuttle bus to JFK Airport. But that service lost money, drew complaints from people in neighborhoods that were skipped and was ultimately discontinued.

 

In addition, with ridership higher now than it was in the 1980s, the MTA runs more trains overall, making it harder for a convention center express to avoid getting stuck behind regular A trains.

 

If MTA can negotiate having Genting paying for additional (A) express service, or paying for the (C) to run 24/7 (to allow the (A) to keep running express all night), that would be a NICE thing.

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If that were to happen, it would be a LONG, LONG way off.

 

The initial connection would be to the existing tunnels and the local line at Rego Park, and more than likely a second connection would be from a new Super Express that would share the 63rd street tunnel with the (F) from either the 6th Avenue or Broadway Line. A 79th Street tunnel and SAS stop at York-1st Avenue would probably not be until all of us (well, almost everyone here) are six feet under, if ever.

 

Did you take your Ritalin? As said millions of times before your ideas will not work, because it would either jam tracks, or bother other subway services. You have been told this a million times, but you still don't listen.

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Looks like there will be another NICE thing coming to Queens.

 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203471004577143333474410466.html

 

 

 

Other NICE news, Genting wants and is willing to fund non stop subway service.

 

 

 

If MTA can negotiate having Genting paying for additional (A) express service, or paying for the (C) to run 24/7 (to allow the (A) to keep running express all night), that would be a NICE thing.

 

if I remember correctly the (JFK) had the express tracks all to itself in Brooklyn most off the time. Imagine them trying something like that today

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if I remember correctly the (JFK) had the express tracks all to itself in Brooklyn most off the time. Imagine them trying something like that today

 

Yes, that was the case.

 

What would have to most likely happen is a re-activation of the former LIRR Rockaway branch would include both a local plus an express that would operate non-stop over that part of the line to Aqueduct.

 

The big thing that can happen quicker of course is the (C) goes to Lefferts 24/7 to allow the (A) to run exclusively to the Rockaways.

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Yes, that was the case.

 

What would have to most likely happen is a re-activation of the former LIRR Rockaway branch would include both a local plus an express that would operate non-stop over that part of the line to Aqueduct.

Parts of the former Rockaway right-of-way (ROW) has already been sold. You will find no such possibility.

 

What would have to most likely happen is
nothing.

 

The big thing that can happen quicker of course is the (C) goes to Lefferts 24/7 to allow the (A) to run exclusively to the Rockaways.
You can get your answer to this from the Ozone Park residents.
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Parts of the former Rockaway right-of-way (ROW) has already been sold. You will find no such possibility.

 

nothing.

 

You can get your answer to this from the Ozone Park residents.

 

Very true. Ideally the best compromise would (not trying to turn this into another round of extending the (C) to Lefferts full time debate again:eek:)have been IMO just renaming the (A) Lefferts branch the (K) to help those transfering to the Airtrain at Howard Beach. Or running the (C) to Lefferts on weekends only.

 

At this point realistic the only major change to the (A)(C) Brooklyn/Queens coordior in near future is the (C) and Lefferts (A) branch running later into the overnight ending at around 130am.

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Try something like this (if Genting could be convinced to fund all of this) :

 

Daytime and early evening service (6-7 minutes combined)

 

(A) Far Rockaway 20 minutes

(A) Lefferts - 20 minutes

(A) Rockaway Park 20 minutes

(C) Euclid

(S) Rockaway Park (summer weekends)

 

rush hour service is largely unchanged (except reverse peak Rockaway Park (A) service added)

 

Mid evening service combined 8-10 minute headway

(A) Far Rockaway 8-20 minutes (2/3 of service)

(A) Lefferts 24-30 minutes

(C) Euclid

(S) Rockaway Park

 

Late evening service 10-12 minute headways combined

(A) Far Rockaway 20-24 minutes

(A) Howard Beach 20-24 minutes

(C) extended to Lefferts

(S) Rockaway Park

 

Late night service

(A) Far Rockaway 20 minutes (8 Av/Fulton express)

(C) Lefferts 20 minutes local

(S) Rockaway Park

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Ok. So Great One what about weekend service in your proposal? Under the current ridership patterns in early 2012 the (A) Rockaway Park only needs to run on summer weekends outside of weekday peak periods.:confused:

 

 

Try something like this (if Genting could be convinced to fund all of this) :

 

Daytime and early evening service (6-7 minutes combined)

 

(A) Far Rockaway 20 minutes

(A) Lefferts - 20 minutes

(A) Rockaway Park 20 minutes

(C) Euclid

(S) Rockaway Park (summer weekends)

 

rush hour service is largely unchanged (except reverse peak Rockaway Park (A) service added)

 

Mid evening service combined 8-10 minute headway

(A) Far Rockaway 8-20 minutes (2/3 of service)

(A) Lefferts 24-30 minutes

(C) Euclid

(S) Rockaway Park

 

Late evening service 10-12 minute headways combined

(A) Far Rockaway 20-24 minutes

(A) Howard Beach 20-24 minutes

(C) extended to Lefferts

(S) Rockaway Park

 

Late night service

(A) Far Rockaway 20 minutes (8 Av/Fulton express)

(C) Lefferts 20 minutes local

(S) Rockaway Park

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Ok. So Great One what about weekend service in your proposal? Under the current ridership patterns in early 2012 the (A) Rockaway Park only needs to run on summer weekends outside of weekday peak periods.:confused:

 

That proposal is for all 7 days off peak service. Rockaway Park will usually have 20 minute headways all times outside of rush hours and summer weekends. If extra (A) service is running to Aqueduct, might as well run it through to Rockaway Park (the shuttle will not run during daytime hours outside of rush hours and summer weekends).

 

This is really about Aqueduct, Rockaway Park will just have the shuttle replaced by the (A) service (except where noted). Mid evenings some (A) trains will run to Howard Beach only allowing the shuttle to run again.

If extra service is running to Howard Beach all day wouldn't iut make sense to just combine the Rockaway Park Shuttle with it and give those riders a one seat ride to Manhattan. Genting (or NYS) would be paying for this, so the MTA wouldn't really care either way. Think of how MTA Bus is handled compared to NYCT in some cases.

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That proposal is for all 7 days off peak service. Rockaway Park will usually have 20 minute headways all times outside of rush hours and summer weekends. If extra (A) service is running to Aqueduct, might as well run it through to Rockaway Park (the shuttle will not run during daytime hours outside of rush hours and summer weekends).

 

This is really about Aqueduct, Rockaway Park will just have the shuttle replaced by the (A) service (except where noted). Mid evenings some (A) trains will run to Howard Beach only allowing the shuttle to run again.

If extra service is running to Howard Beach all day wouldn't iut make sense to just combine the Rockaway Park Shuttle with it and give those riders a one seat ride to Manhattan. Genting (or NYS) would be paying for this, so the MTA wouldn't really care either way. Think of how MTA Bus is handled compared to NYCT in some cases.

 

You realize Great One there are 'crossover' tracks just before and after the Howard Beach/JFK station? I am willing to agree to run the Rock Park (A)which IMO should be renamed to say the "H" weekdays all days and summer weekends with 30-minute headways.

 

However what about the winter months when most riders are going to the Far Rockaway stations? Plus Lefferts riders also wanting 'express' service as well. That why the (A) Rock Park branch should terminate at Howard Beach on weekends. Plus the Rock Park shuttle would run weekday evenings i.e after 8pm and all times weekends/overnights non-summer time.

 

Don't want 'empty' trains don't we?

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Parts of the former Rockaway right-of-way (ROW) has already been sold. You will find no such possibility.

 

 

None of the ROW has been sold- in fact, it hasn't been formally abandoned- because the LIRR never formally filed the paperwork to do so when it shuttered the line in 1962- because it was thought that the line was going to be connected to the IND Queens Blvd Line and have subway service running through it- so technically, at any time, the city, together with the (MTA) could just restore the rail infrastructure on it, connect it to the IND and run service on it.

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You can get your answer to this from the Ozone Park residents.

 

This may be the one time where Ozone Park residents DO NOT get their way, and may have to deal with the (C) and having to switch to the (A) where both branches stop or at Euclid (though riders in the overnight would see their two-seat ride eliminated since the (C) would likely be 24/7 and the (A) would likely be express at all times), other than a few peak directions (A)s to/from Lefferts in rush hours. If the Governor and Genting are behind such, then I suspect this would go through regardless of what residents think.

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None of the ROW has been sold- in fact, it hasn't been formally abandoned- because the LIRR never formally filed the paperwork to do so when it shuttered the line in 1962- because it was thought that the line was going to be connected to the IND Queens Blvd Line and have subway service running through it- so technically, at any time, the city, together with the (MTA) could just restore the rail infrastructure on it, connect it to the IND and run service on it.
I've read conflicting reports elsewhere. I'll have to look deeper into this, then.

 

This may be the one time where Ozone Park residents DO NOT get their way, and may have to deal with the (C) and having to switch to the (A) where both branches stop or at Euclid (though riders in the overnight would see their two-seat ride eliminated since the (C) would likely be 24/7 and the (A) would likely be express at all times), other than a few peak directions (A)s to/from Lefferts in rush hours. If the Governor and Genting are behind such, then I suspect this would go through regardless of what residents think.

Where is your stop? Is the <6> your home line?

 

I propose cutting the <6> off to fund this extra (A) and (C) service to Queens. For someone who has nothing to give up… you're not really in the position to contribute credible input.

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I've read conflicting reports elsewhere. I'll have to look deeper into this, then.

 

 

Where is your stop? Is the <6> your home line?

 

I propose cutting the <6> off to fund this extra (A) and (C) service to Queens. For someone who has nothing to give up… you're not really in the position to contribute credible input.

 

I'm just commenting on what is being reported. If Genting is willing to pay to have this done (something I said I would have done already even before the Convention Center was in play), especially if Gov. Cuomo also supported it, my view is Ozone Park residents would have little, if anything to stand on.

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