Subway service to Aqueduct may get a boost, may even get Airtrain stop

[T to Dyre Avenue]

We are assuming here there's even demand for such a service in the first place. The is never that crowded out there, and this thing hasn't even been built yet.

Well, you know that whenever you hear politicians talk about possible transit expansion, people on this and other transit message boards will be all over it like a pack of dogs on a piece of raw meat

 

But seriously, while the Far Rockaway-bound is currently never that crowded, there's no guarantee it will stay that way. There's also no guarantee that ridership on the Q11, Q37 and Q53 buses will stay right where it is. No, the convention center hasn't been built yet and the existing casino hasn't been expanded, like the Governor wants them to be. But if those plans do go through and the Aqueduct Racetrack site gets built up significantly, we could be looking at another situation where the existing transit infrastructure is unable to cope with the increased demand for it. There are plenty of examples of that all over the city. If construction for an expanded casino and a large convention center go through, then we need to get going on improving transit service to that area, because the existing roads certainly won't be able to handle the increased traffic and there is very little room to expand them.

[TwoTimer]

Well the Averne area (Beach 67) is growing, its two and one family houses, not apartment buildings. There has been a ridership boost at that station, but nothing the current frequency can't handle as of yet (there are extra Far Rock trains in rush hour which handle the crowds just fine, I'm a regular on the ). The other thing is, cars will be added to the road there, as most of those that can even afford that neighborhood (which lies in between two housing projects) can drive. The best I can practically see is them developing the two middle ROW in the area there (one track covered over with a station platform) and having trains stop there 24/7, or possibly as a terminal setup (in which the and its current hours of operation would suffice decently). Its relatively cheap to do this, and would provide that desired two services to the racetrack area. The Lefferts people would also be able to retain their express in this way.

[N6 Limited]

There has to be a solution somewhere. The 1939 map shows the line branch off the IND Queens Boulevard Line, but I read that the proposal in 1939 was to send the not a Manhattan bound service down to the Rockaways. I think these planners were thinking that people would use the if they wanted Manhattan. They expected people to transfer.

 

 

Although I've seen the map before, I just noticed the Broadway Line's northward extension was west of the CPW line. Was it supposed to stay under the park without any stops until Cathedral Parkway?

[Roadcruiser1]

Although I've seen the map before, I just noticed the Broadway Line's northward extension was west of the CPW line. Was it supposed to stay under the park without any stops until Cathedral Parkway?

 

The Morningside Avenue Line was supposed to serve Morningside Avenue skipping Central Park. Even though it would have no stations it would have had ran underneath the park.

[Wallyhorse]

This is what should have had been built in the first place.

 

 

Very interesting that the Super Express was supposed to go to what eventually would become the Archer Avenue section.

[CenSin]

Very interesting that the Super Express was supposed to go to what eventually would become the Archer Avenue section.

The plans were never concrete. One plan has it never joining the Queens Boulevard line, another has it joining Queens Boulevard at Union Turnpike, and another had it joining Queens Boulevard at Forest Hills. The independent line was just one of the incarnations of the plan (and probably the first one). I don't see how it would be useful for people other than those getting off the LIRR or bus though.

[T to Dyre Avenue]

Might Genting be hinting they'd be interested in reactivating the Rockaway Line? Look what I found on their website

 

Long island Rail road should reactivate the northern section of its old Roackawaybranch: advocates

[TransitGuy]

Might Genting be hinting they'd be interested in reactivating the Rockaway Line? Look what I found on their website

 

Long island Rail road should reactivate the northern section of its old Roackawaybranch: advocates

 

I really think they should reactivate the Rockaway Branch section. Having a few stations built along the line and pass through to 63rd and continue like the E to 42nd would be neat (maybe not make as much stops in between). I think if there was any hope for the Rockaway Branch to ever be resurrected, this may be as close as you can get it. And no offense to the bike path proposal but an idea like that will only work nicely in Manhattan (the High Line), not so much in Queens.

 

One thing I have always been curious of is how come the city has never addressed why the bus company is parking their buses illegally on the elevated line?

[N6 Limited]

The Morningside Avenue Line was supposed to serve Morningside Avenue skipping Central Park. Even though it would have no stations it would have had ran underneath the park.

 

Interesting.

[Wallyhorse]

Might Genting be hinting they'd be interested in reactivating the Rockaway Line? Look what I found on their website

 

Long island Rail road should reactivate the northern section of its old Roackawaybranch: advocates

 

More likely they realize reactivating the can't happen, so reactivating the Rockaway Branch may be their best shot at new service (with as previously noted in the SAS thread, a revived train operating from Whitehall-Rockaway Park as part of a series of wholesale changes on the Broadway Line and SAS).

[N6 Limited]

More likely they realize reactivating the can't happen, so reactivating the Rockaway Branch may be their best shot at new service (with as previously noted in the SAS thread, a revived train operating from Whitehall-Rockaway Park as part of a series of wholesale changes on the Broadway Line and SAS).

 

That's not a bad idea, as QB local or Express? It would basically connect with all of the midtown lines, Union Square, and/or 59th street, Herald Square, Times Square.

[CenSin]

More likely they realize reactivating the can't happen, so reactivating the Rockaway Branch may be their best shot at new service (with as previously noted in the SAS thread, a revived train operating from Whitehall-Rockaway Park as part of a series of wholesale changes on the Broadway Line and SAS).

They've known that for quite some time. Whether they would pay for it is another question. I don't foresee any politicians agreeing to build something that primarily benefits Genting without any funding from Genting.

[Grand Concourse]

They've known that for quite some time. Whether they would pay for it is another question. I don't foresee any politicians agreeing to build something that primarily benefits Genting without any funding from Genting.

 

Agreed, the only way the old Rockaway line is put into service again is to allow for another Queens crosstown line (if connected to the subway). If it's to benefit the casino only, then they should put up the money themselves.

[T to Dyre Avenue]

A revived Rockaway Line could certainly serve as a crosstown Queens line if done as part of the subway. If the LIRR returns to the Rockaway, that would more than likely not be the case. The subway option gives the best chance to get both public and private money to get the route reactivated.

[Grand Concourse]

I am not sure if it's worth having the LIRR reclaim the line as it would just 'mirror' the Far Rockaway branch and the occupying the former Rockaway line south of Liberty av. At least with a subway it would have some stops along the line and hopefully appease some owners along the row of direct service than to hop on a bus to the subway or another bus. The main issue is I doubt any of the current lines (mainly the ) would be a good choice to be sent down. Queens blvd needs another 'trunk line' (Queens super express) to support that branch.

[TwoTimer]

I am not sure if it's worth having the LIRR reclaim the line as it would just 'mirror' the Far Rockaway branch and the occupying the former Rockaway line south of Liberty av. At least with a subway it would have some stops along the line and hopefully appease some owners along the row of direct service than to hop on a bus to the subway or another bus. The main issue is I doubt any of the current lines (mainly the ) would be a good choice to be sent down. Queens blvd needs another 'trunk line' (Queens super express) to support that branch.

 

Your best bet would to be bring the along being that it already has a direct connection to Queens Blvd, and on the local tracks in question at that. The local track can fit a third service (until Rego Park anyway), its just Continental can't turn a 3rd service with the frequency as the other two (remember when the were all up there - which was rare - the other two services ran fewer trains at those times then the lines do now). You'd have a true crosstown then. You would also solve issues with growing ridership on the line as a result as well.

[Grand Concourse]

Your best bet would to be bring the along being that it already has a direct connection to Queens Blvd, and on the local tracks in question at that. The local track can fit a third service (until Rego Park anyway), its just Continental can't turn a 3rd service with the frequency as the other two (remember when the were all up there - which was rare - the other two services ran fewer trains at those times then the lines do now). You'd have a true crosstown then. You would also solve issues with growing ridership on the line as a result as well.

 

Excellent. Then it should be ideal and even possible with the existing tracks.

[TwoTimer]

Excellent. Then it should be ideal and even possible with the existing tracks.

 

Only issue is getting from Whitepot to the IND. Which street gets the nuke, lol.

[ACEVE14]

If this plan happens

 

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20120104/POLITICS/120109978/1072

 

 

 

 

 

Report: Cuomo to push for convention center, Vegas-style gaming at Aqueduct - PaulickReport.com

 

At least the train may get a boost out of this, and Airtrain may get a new branch. train would need a boost especially off peak with waits up to 15-20 minutes on the Far Rockaway Branch daytime.

Legalized gambling will make Aqueduct even bigger.

 

My thoughts exactly and I'm also thinking that the should be thinking about constructing a southbound Train platform for the Aqueduct Racetrack station. They'll be sawing off a few feet of subway platforms at the uptown platform of West Farms Square-E Tremont Av station. From the Bronx we go straight out to Queens, where the will saw off a big part of the Manhattan bound platform at Mets-Willets Point station, & the Aqueduct-N Condiut Av station. It will help out subway riders that are going to the racetrack or the biggest convention center being built in Queens.

[Grand Concourse]

If the casino is willing to put up like 75% for the platform and crossover (similar to the one at Howard Beach), then I can't see why not. But if they think the MTA should be footing any more than 50%, then people should just take the train to Howard beach to take a n/b back to that platform (*not familiar with the area around the North conduit station).

[GreatOne2k]

My thoughts exactly and I'm also thinking that the should be thinking about constructing a southbound Train platform for the Aqueduct Racetrack station. They'll be sawing off a few feet of subway platforms at the uptown platform of West Farms Square-E Tremont Av station. From the Bronx we go straight out to Queens, where the will saw off a big part of the Manhattan bound platform at Mets-Willets Point station, & the Aqueduct-N Condiut Av station. It will help out subway riders that are going to the racetrack or the biggest convention center being built in Queens.

 

No platforms need to be sawed off for that, leave the other platforms alone and just work on Aqueduct Racetrack

[MikeGerald]

At the currently closed Aqueduct Raceway station under-construction is a passageway between the Racetrack and the Manhattan-bound side platform.

 

From the North Conduit-Aqueduct station the World Resort Casino runs a very short trip shuttle bus service to/from the Casino and this station. One simply leaves by the southern-most exit of the North Conduit-Aqueduct station to a waiting shuttle bus. Many casino goers however find that they can WALK the distance, estimated to be a 1/8 of a mile or less - in plain eye-sight, seems about like 2 city blocks.

 

Except for beefed up service on the A-train on the Far Rockaway A-trains, and maybe a direct passageway connection to/from the North Conduit-Aqueduct station, with a people mover, maybe - I'm not sure what really needs to be added. I'm not really sure of the merits of a new huge-mega-project convention center - considering the reading that I've done on such places. I kind of doubt the need for a whole new subway or LIRR line, let alone the huge costs of building such a line. Certainly A-train service could be beefed up - for example by running more 59th Street-Columbus Circle to Rockaway Park - type A-trains during the day-times, and weekends - could add to the service without the huge costs of a brand-new transit line.

 

Just my thoughts.

Mike

[TwoTimer]

At the currently closed Aqueduct Raceway station under-construction is a passageway between the Racetrack and the Manhattan-bound side platform.

 

From the North Conduit-Aqueduct station the World Resort Casino runs a very short trip shuttle bus service to/from the Casino and this station. One simply leaves by the southern-most exit of the North Conduit-Aqueduct station to a waiting shuttle bus. Many casino goers however find that they can WALK the distance, estimated to be a 1/8 of a mile or less - in plain eye-sight, seems about like 2 city blocks.

 

Except for beefed up service on the A-train on the Far Rockaway A-trains, and maybe a direct passageway connection to/from the North Conduit-Aqueduct station, with a people mover, maybe - I'm not sure what really needs to be added. I'm not really sure of the merits of a new huge-mega-project convention center - considering the reading that I've done on such places. I kind of doubt the need for a whole new subway or LIRR line, let alone the huge costs of building such a line. Certainly A-train service could be beefed up - for example by running more 59th Street-Columbus Circle to Rockaway Park - type A-trains during the day-times, and weekends - could add to the service without the huge costs of a brand-new transit line.

 

Just my thoughts.

Mike

 

Well you know the fannies... any excuse to build or expand something, ANYTHING.

[Grand Concourse]

I can understand some fantasy ideas, but some really need to put down the 'magic juice' especially when they start talking about this issue in threads that are unrelated to say the SAS.

[m7zanr160s]

I'm in favor of a new subway line along that abandoned trackway. I'm not just thinking about the convention center. This is an opportunity to add more subway service to Queens, and to make transportation easier for many along that line. Also, this would be so much easier to construct as opposed to building from scratch. If they act fast, I'm thinking we could see something running by 2017.