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MTA's Plan 4 in effect this weekend 1/21-1/22/2012

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A little overkill, but after what happened a year ago probably the right call as there is always the chance this could explode into something much bigger as was proven of course last Christmas.

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The (MTA) is correct in being overprepared than sorry. Still this is only going to be a 'moderate' snow event with about 2-5 inches in the entire NYC metro area for Saturday.

 

So it's unchanged when i wrote this on the link Abba made. Of the major weekend go's as of 3pm today (1/20/12)all have been cancelled except for the (7) suspension between Queensboro and Times Sq.

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When the (7) is out, why is the (Q) extended all the way to Astoria and not just Queensboro Plaza? They could use the center track at 39 Av to turn trains.

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When the (7) is out, why is the (Q) extended all the way to Astoria and not just Queensboro Plaza? They could use the center track at 39 Av to turn trains.

 

Because the (Q) other than this weekend, is shut down. It's running as a shuttle between Prospect Park and Stillwell every weekend until March.

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When the (7) is out, why is the (Q) extended all the way to Astoria and not just Queensboro Plaza? They could use the center track at 39 Av to turn trains.

 

It will caused delays and confusion.

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It will caused delays and confusion.

 

Actually Daniel, the (MTA) did extend the (Q) during (7) shutdowns to Astoria on weekends from about 6am-11pm in the Fall. Overnights Sat/Sunday nights service still ended at 57th.

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MTA Ready for Storm

January 20, 2012

 

The MTA is preparing for this weekend’s anticipated snow storm, forecast to bring up to six inches of snow to parts of the metropolitan area. Personnel are being deployed, snow-fighting equipment is being prepared to keep rails free of ice and snow, and chains are being put on bus tires. All preparations are being made to ensure safe travel across the region.

 

We expect to run normal Saturday service on all MTA services tomorrow morning, but please monitor www.mta.info | The Weekender as well as media reports for the latest service update. Customers are also urged to utilize the MTA’s new Winter Weather Guide that explains possible service adjustments for all MTA agencies during inclement weather.

 

"Our goal is to provide service as long as it is safe for our customers, employees and equipment," said MTA Chairman and CEO Joseph J. Lhota. “Our dedicated employees are set to work hard throughout the weekend in order to minimize service disruptions, but customers should utilize our website and media to learn about any potential impacts on service.”

NYC Transit Subways and Buses

 

Additional personnel will be brought in for snow fighting duty, the Incident Command Center will be up and running, and Local Storm Fighting Centers will be manned and activated.

 

Some weekend work has been canceled, however, the critical capital work being performed in the Steinway Tube will continue as planned, so 7 line riders should be mindful that planned service diversions remain in effect, meaning that N and Q line service is the best way to travel from Queens Plaza to Manhattan and shuttle bus service will be making the connection between Vernon-Jackson and Hunters Point Ave. stations and Queens Plaza.

 

The subway system’s fleet of snow fighting equipment has been fueled, prepped and deployed near outdoor locations historically vulnerable to heavy snowfall. In order to minimize the number of cars that will have to be stored over the weekend, full-length trains will operate on all lines. To the extent possible, out of service subway cars will be stored in underground locations throughout the system which may impact express service on certain lines.

 

Personnel will be putting chains on bus tires on overnight service, and tomorrow, deploy a combination of chained standard and articulated buses while substituting articulated with standard buses where appropriate. The Department of Buses will also be deploying snow crews and snow fighting equipment, and opening our situation room and satellite desks. We will be monitoring conditions as the storm progresses, to make ongoing route-by-route assessments about service.

Long Island Rail Road and Metro-North Railroad

 

The railroads will activate switch heaters, treat switches and third rails with anti-freeze agents and will have personnel stationed at key locations. Snow fighting material is dispatched to stations and crews will be positioned to be ready to clear platforms and stairways.

 

The railroads will also operate electric trains equipped with special scraper shoes to help reduce icing on the third rail and ensure that electric trains can draw their power properly. Employees are also spraying door panels with anti-freeze and purging air brake lines of moisture to prevent them from freezing. LIRR station waiting rooms will be kept open around-the-clock to provide shelter for customers waiting for trains.

Bridges and Tunnels

 

MTA Bridges and Tunnels has prepared and put into position its fleet of 102 snow-fighting trucks and other pieces of heavy equipment. In addition, MTA Bridges and Tunnels uses a system of technologically-advanced weather sensors to help keep motorists safe. All seven MTA bridges use small, rocket-like atmospheric weather sensors that deliver highly-accurate weather information, including wind velocity, wind direction, humidity and precipitation, via wireless communication. Other sensors are embedded in the roadway and on the snow-fighting trucks to monitor icing conditions on the roadways.

 

We urge all of our customers to take extra care when traveling during the storm. Stay clear of the platform edges, use handrails on staircases and walk carefully when entering or exiting stations and boarding or leaving trains and buses. Please allow extra time for travel during and immediately after the storm.

 

Ulmer Park is already starting to put snow chains on the RTS'.

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When the (7) is out, why is the (Q) extended all the way to Astoria and not just Queensboro Plaza? They could use the center track at 39 Av to turn trains.

 

One has to remember to go by the logistics, not just pure "oh Beebe middle is there, turn it there". A train just be totally passenger-free to turn, and in many cases must have someone at the other end to pull it back in the other direction otherwise waiting 10 minutes for the T/O to change ends. That's why turning in the subway is rare unless said delay may last longer than 10 minutes.

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Actually Daniel, the (MTA) did extend the (Q) during (7) shutdowns to Astoria on weekends from about 6am-11pm in the Fall. Overnights Sat/Sunday nights service still ended at 57th.

 

I meant it would caused delays if the (Q) Turned at Queensboro Plaza.

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Will the (5) be extended to 149 St GC overnight this weekend because of plan 4?

 

Maybe someone else can confirm. However i assume 'yes' to that and the Rockaway Park (S) being extended to Euclid. Not to mention storing trains on express tracks underground as well.

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On Brighton line they ran one out of service train for every (Q) that was in service. Those out of service ones ran weird routes, using combination of local and express tracks.

I approve

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When the (7) is out, why is the (Q) extended all the way to Astoria and not just Queensboro Plaza? They could use the center track at 39 Av to turn trains.

 

You want the (N) being the only one doing all the work? The (N) would be terribly crowded, hence the (Q) extension.

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You want the (N) being the only one doing all the work? The (N) would be terribly crowded, hence the (Q) extension.

 

The (N) was originally scheduled to run additional service on the (Q) express line, skipping 49th Street, between 34th St. and Ditmars Blvd., in addition to regular (N) service. This was being done because (Q) trains were scheuled to be curtailed in Brooklyn, before cancellation of most work allowed (Q) trains to run its full route (to Queens) this weekend. These two service changes should resume next weekend.

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You want the (N) being the only one doing all the work? The (N) would be terribly crowded, hence the (Q) extension.

 

That's irrelevant to his question; the (Q) would still be helping out (7) riders even if it didn't terminate at Astoria.

 

Anyway, this is definitely the right move, better safe then sorry with this Plan 4.

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That's irrelevant to his question; the (Q) would still be helping out (7) riders even if it didn't terminate at Astoria.

 

Anyway, this is definitely the right move, better safe then sorry with this Plan 4.

 

Well between 1986-June 1987 during the 1st phhase of the nearly 20-year rebuliding of the Manhattan Bridge, closing the 6th Ave tracks the yellow Bway (;) terminated at Queensboro Plaza on weekends since the Brighton (D) now the (Q) ended at 57th/7th. It did cause mega delays on then (R) until June 1987 though. Thus reason after that barring GO's trains no longer terminated at Queensboro.

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Maybe someone else can confirm. However i assume 'yes' to that and the Rockaway Park (S) being extended to Euclid. Not to mention storing trains on express tracks underground as well.

 

I've always wondered why the (MTA) eliminates most express service systemwide, when inclement weather approaches, I assume this is the reason, or at least one of the reasons.

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AWFUL AWFUL service today. The R was running on reduced headways and so was the N.

 

Took 1 hour 15 minutes to get from Canal St to Bay Ridge (instead of the normal 30 to 35 minutes).

 

Can't wait for next weekend when there's tons of weekend construction, but at least the trains are running on normal 10 minute headways and the express service is back. Will be MUCH faster next weekend.

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