NICE Planned Service/Schedule Changes

[Vistausss]

Well, I guess that more than answers n6l's question

[Q43LTD]

Well it made sense to eliminate the N22 limited. Rode it once in 2012. Bypassed both Roosevelt Field and Mineola terminal. I don't think re-routing it made it any better...

[Amtrak7]

N22X remains reverse peak only. 4 trips/rush hour.

[N6 Limited]

I can't wait for the APC system to be up and running on every bus so NICE can really see what's going on. The N6 to Hempstead is on 20 min headway after 9pm and it's always packed enough to flag people waiting past Hillside Ave, if not past 169th st or 179th st.  They can try 15 min headways for one more hour.

Edited January 4, 2014 by N6 Limited

[Amtrak7]

n22/n22A/n22X Eastbound schedule out of Jamaica (all n22/n22X to Hicksville and n22A to RFM unless noted):

 

5 00 20 40

6 00 10 20 25 30 40 43 53

7 00 10 13 20 30 40 40 50 58

8 15 25 30

9 00 15 30 45

10 00 30

11 00 30

12 00 30

13 00 30

14 00 30

15 00 20 40*

16 00 15 30 40 50

17 00 05 20 30 40 50

18 00 10 20 30 40 55

19 00 10 25 40 55

20 15 35 55

21 25 55

22 25 55

23 55

 

*n22A trip to Hicksville. No westbounds originate out of Hicksville.

 

The above is the entirety of weekday eastbound service on the 22 corridor. No eastbound short turns exist.

 

The n6/n6X (all AM n6X to NCC after 6:15am, first 2 AM and all PM to Hempstead):

 

0 10 45

1 10 40

2 10 40

3 10 40

4 10 40

5 00 15 25 35 43 40 55

6 00 08 10 20 23 30 37 40 48 50 58

7 00 08 10 18 20 28 30 38 40 48 50 58

8 00 10 18 20 28 30 38 40 50 52

9 03 04 14 16 26 28 38 40 50

10 00 10 20 30 40 50

11 00 10 20 30 40 50

12 00 10 20 30 40 50

13 00 10 20 30 40 50

14 02 12 22 32 42 52

15 02 12 22 30 40 50

16 00 08 10 18 20 28 30 38 40 48 50

17 00 08 10 18 20 28 30 38 40 48 50

18 00 08 10 18 20 28 30 38 40 48 50

19 00 08 15 23 30 40 50

20 00 15 30 45

21 00 20 40

22 00 20 40

23 00 20 40

Edited January 4, 2014 by Amtrak7

[RTS CNG Command]

Well it made sense to eliminate the N22 limited. Rode it once in 2012. Bypassed both Roosevelt Field and Mineola terminal. I don't think re-routing it made it any better...

It was only a matter of time. Those two stops (especially Roosevelt Field) are lifelines on the n22, and skipping them meant much lower ridership than the local. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

[PinePower]

If that's the new schedule appears to be alot less buses e/b to Hicksville, not good, they're gonna be more jammed than ever. I've been hoping NICE realizes how much impoverished New Cassel depends on the n22. Of course I'm still waiting for the official schedule. Dropping the n22L was a good idea as it skipped RF (where most ppl were going) but it appears they converted those n22L's to n22a's which means less buses along Prospect.

Prospect needs every 10-15 min rush hours and every 20 mins all other times, I take the n22 often and they're jammed east of the mall.

Looking at my schedule from Jamaica they cut service to Hicksville in half from Jamaica departures around 5pm (4 buses to 2 buses), 6pm from 4 buses to 3 buses, ditto for 7pm. HUGE MISTAKE!!

n22's east from RF get crush loaded in the PM rush, sure is gonna be even more fun now!

Edited January 5, 2014 by PinePower

[FamousNYLover]

If that's the new schedule appears to be alot less buses e/b to Hicksville, not good, they're gonna be more jammed than ever. I've been hoping NICE realizes how much impoverished New Cassel depends on the n22. Of course I'm still waiting for the official schedule. Dropping the n22L was a good idea as it skipped RF (where most ppl were going) but it appears they converted those n22L's to n22a's which means less buses along Prospect.

Prospect needs every 10-15 min rush hours and every 20 mins all other times, I take the n22 often and they're jammed east of the mall.

Looking at my schedule from Jamaica they cut service to Hicksville in half from Jamaica departures around 5pm (4 buses to 2 buses), 6pm from 4 buses to 3 buses, ditto for 7pm. HUGE MISTAKE!!

n22's east from RF get crush loaded in the PM rush, sure is gonna be even more fun now!

I agreed with you. Most riders including both cultural sides are not happy when n22 buses ran very late.

It going to get confuse on January 13 when n22L is discontinued...

 

When I got off n80 Hicksville 18:20, I saw late 18:04 n20 Flushing #1876, so I rush to n20 bus stop, but due to snow pile high, I have to ran on street side, tripping on snow, grabbing onto Orion V on n79 from kept falling; then slipped myself, and I have to squeeze between high piles of snow and n20 Flushing. If I went around, I might have missed the bus.

 

I didn't took n19 bus for long time, so I went to study bus route that are difficult that some folks here told me. When I was on 14:30 n19 Babylon #1761, it lost schedule time because of 90 seconds Left Turn red light for Sunrise Mall, and arrived Babylon Station late at 14:42, 12 minutes behind schedule at 14:34.

I give details later.

Edited January 5, 2014 by FamousNYLover

[FamousNYLover]

The n22 LIMITED was created backward in comparison to how the creates their LIMITED routes. The n22 LIMITED should have served the major stops and roads (like the N6 LIMITED) as well as the major transfer points (RF and Mineola). Then it really would have helped ridership.

 

 

What the hell does culture have to do with anything here... we're talking about general ridership here. Please don't make any more racist comments.

I not making racial comments. Since some of us don't like to use B-word, so I was comparing riderships and politely saying ethnic passengers complains a lot about n22. n22, n22a is fully crush loaded from Jamaica to Hicksville; Hicksville to Jamaica.

[Vistausss]

 

I didn't took n19 bus for long time, so I went to study bus route that are difficult that some folks here told me. When I was on 14:30 n19 Babylon #1761, it lost schedule time because of 90 seconds Left Turn red light for Sunrise Mall

 

Damn! That sounds like something DOT needs to take a good look at... (that traffic light)

[N6 Limited]

 

The n6/n6X (all AM n6X to NCC after 6:15am, first 2 AM and all PM to Hempstead):

 

0 10 45

1 10 40

2 10 40

3 10 40

4 10 40

5 00 15 25 35 43 40 55

6 00 08 10 20 23 30 37 40 48 50 58

7 00 08 10 18 20 28 30 38 40 48 50 58

8 00 10 18 20 28 30 38 40 50 52

9 03 04 14 16 26 28 38 40 50

10 00 10 20 30 40 50

11 00 10 20 30 40 50

12 00 10 20 30 40 50

13 00 10 20 30 40 50

14 02 12 22 32 42 52

15 02 12 22 30 40 50

16 00 08 10 18 20 28 30 38 40 48 50

17 00 08 10 18 20 28 30 38 40 48 50

18 00 08 10 18 20 28 30 38 40 48 50

19 00 08 15 23 30 40 50

20 00 15 30 45

21 00 20 40

22 00 20 40

23 00 20 40

The flagging continues.

 

edit (of course those are not the only time blocks that will happen)

Edited January 5, 2014 by N6 Limited

[RtrainBlues]

When I take the N6 at a crazy hour like 1:30am, it's standing-room only to Jamaica and crush-loaded.  They really should add more N22x service since otherwise you get a large passenger load that gets on a local N22 in Jamaica and won't get off until Roosevelt Field, so there is no more room for local passengers to board and they get flagged. 

 

Also, you would think NICE would want to maximize its profits by adding service on busy routes like the N22 and N6, and cutting service on so many of the underutilized north-south routes (especially in eastern Nassau) and underutilized eastern Nassau routes that don't go into Queens.

[Amtrak7]

I made a typo in the schedule, :58 n6X trips exist for the 16, 17, 18 hours.

 

Westbound n22/n22X departing Hicksville (to Jamaica unless noted):

 

4 54

5 24 55

6 26 41

7 09 36

8 01 31

9 01 31 59

10 29 59

11 20 50

12 20 50

13 13 33

14 09 39

15 05 23 45 54

16 12 27 42

17 02 12 27 40

18 20 43

19 20 54

20 24 54

21 24 59

22 24

23 04 (to Mineola only)

 

Only 2 westbounds out of Hicksville an hour during the AM rush doesn't sound too pleasant.

 

n22A's out of RFM:

 

5 06 41

6 11 45

7 02 27 40 55

8 17 46

9 15 31

14 29

15 00 48

16 16 38

17 00 38

18 08 31

19 01 31

 

n22 westbound short turns depart Mineola at 4:19, 4:31, 6:14, 6:44, 7:29.

n22 westbound short turn departs RFM at 4:50.

No PM n22 westbound short turns except for that night Hicks-Mineola trip.

 

All n22X's in both directions add a stop at Cherry Lane.

Edited January 5, 2014 by Amtrak7

[Amtrak7]

The n23 southbound out of Manorhaven. There are now no n27 Roslyn starts or ends in the schedule, any day, any time.

 

I'm not a fan of those uneven 40-20 headways. Makes bunching worse.

 

Hempstead / Mineola

 

6 00 30

7 00 20 40

8 05 30 55

9 35 55

10 30 55

11 35 55

12 35 55

13 35 55

14 35 55

15 30

16 00 30

17 00 35

18 05 25 55

19 25 <-- not a typo there is a 1 hour gap here

20 25 55

21 55

22 55

Edited January 5, 2014 by Amtrak7

[N6 Limited]

When I take the N6 at a crazy hour like 1:30am, it's standing-room only to Jamaica and crush-loaded.  They really should add more N22x service since otherwise you get a large passenger load that gets on a local N22 in Jamaica and won't get off until Roosevelt Field, so there is no more room for local passengers to board and they get flagged. 

 

Also, you would think NICE would want to maximize its profits by adding service on busy routes like the N22 and N6, and cutting service on so many of the underutilized north-south routes (especially in eastern Nassau) and underutilized eastern Nassau routes that don't go into Queens.

Crush loaded at 1:30am? Crush loaded is the 9:05pm & 9:20pm etc buses that typically have people crushed up front by the driver and riders flagged if they dare wait for the bus east of the subway. There are times where the line is so long, people will walk to 165th st or the bus terminal to guarantee boarding. Before the bus pulls up to 168th place all the seats are taken and the bus is SRO. That's before the line of 20+ people start boarding! Sometimes while boarding another will unload more people and they rise from the steps and run to the bus.

 

So , yes, after the last service increase they reduced midday headway from 12 mins to 10 mins. but the evening trips from Jamaica still are still crush loaded flagmania BS.

[PinePower]

I made a typo in the schedule, :58 n6X trips exist for the 16, 17, 18 hours.

 

Westbound n22/n22X departing Hicksville (to Jamaica unless noted):

 

4 54

5 24 55

6 26 41

7 09 36

8 01 31

9 01 31 59

10 29 59

11 20 50

12 20 50

13 13 33

14 09 39

15 05 23 45 54

16 12 27 42

17 02 12 27 40

18 20 43

19 20 54

20 24 54

21 24 59

22 24

23 04 (to Mineola only)

 

Only 2 westbounds out of Hicksville an hour during the AM rush doesn't sound too pleasant.

 

n22A's out of RFM:

 

5 06 41

6 11 45

7 02 27 40 55

8 17 46

9 15 31

14 29

15 00 48

16 16 38

17 00 38

18 08 31

19 01 31

 

n22 westbound short turns depart Mineola at 4:19, 4:31, 6:14, 6:44, 7:29.

n22 westbound short turn departs RFM at 4:50.

No PM n22 westbound short turns except for that night Hicks-Mineola trip.

 

All n22X's in both directions add a stop at Cherry Lane.

 

The problem seems to be they eliminated the n22L and never added any n22's in its place. AM rush sounds like a disaster too. Looks like it's gonna be a $12.50 LIRR PEAK fare for me, I aint dealing with those conditions...man WTF was NICE thinking. The n22L did carry some ppl and the n22s were crowded as it is, now its gonna be crush loaded. This is a major cut in service and its going to be a DISASTER.

Edited January 5, 2014 by PinePower

[FamousNYLover]

Speaking off crush loaded, 23:00 n6 Jamaica (Dec 28 Sat), it was crush loaded as well, from Hempstead to City Line.

[Vistausss]

Wow, NICE might as well add 24 hour service with buses running every 5 minutes by now. I mean, first it was 1:30 AM n6 that was crush loaded, then the 9:05 PM and 9:20 PM were said to be crush loaded and now even the 11:00 PM n6? Do people even sleep? I'm sorry, I know buses can get crowded in the evening (that's also the case in my city) but I'll bet $50 dollars that some people are exaggerating just a bit because I won't believe *every* evening bus up till 1:30 AM (!) is CRUSH loaded.

Edited January 5, 2014 by Vistausss

[NY1635]

Wow, NICE might as well add 24 hour service with buses running every 5 minutes by now. I mean, first it was 1:30 AM n6 that was crush loaded, then the 9:05 PM and 9:20 PM were said to be crush loaded and now even the 11:00 PM n6? Do people even sleep? I'm sorry, I know buses can get crowded in the evening (that's also the case in my city) but I'll bet $50 dollars that some people are exaggerating just a bit because I won't believe *every* evening bus up till 1:30 AM (!) is CRUSH loaded.

 

Nobody's exaggerating. The n6 is usually crowded between 7:30 and 11:30 p.m because it's the only bus route that runs at the time. Both n6 Express and n1 rush hour service ends right before they're really needed, and as a result, you have twenty people waiting at the corner of Hillside and 168th Street for the one n6 Local. The buses are usually SRO from the 169th Street Subway to Locust wood Blvd. About half of the people on the SRO n6 usually get off at Elmont (Between Locustwood and Meacham) and the other half takes the n6 all the way to the terminal. 

[N6 Limited]

Wow, NICE might as well add 24 hour service with buses running every 5 minutes by now. I mean, first it was 1:30 AM n6 that was crush loaded, then the 9:05 PM and 9:20 PM were said to be crush loaded and now even the 11:00 PM n6? Do people even sleep? I'm sorry, I know buses can get crowded in the evening (that's also the case in my city) but I'll bet $50 dollars that some people are exaggerating just a bit because I won't believe *every* evening bus up till 1:30 AM (!) is CRUSH loaded.

I am most certainly  not exaggerating, sometimes I avoid getting to Jamaica around 9pm because I know how crowded the bus is.  Even last week while school is out and a lot of people was on vacation, the 9:05 bus left the terminal SRO, but it was less people than usual, so we only got crush loaded by 187th place as opposed to the subway LOL! Flagged everyone else till the first stop. 

 

Also, it's not EVERY bus until 1:30am, I think you're misinterpreting the message. We are giving accounts of buses and times where a trip is usually packed. It doesn't mean it's every bus. Usually by 10:30PM the Eastbound buses are a bit better, they're still SRO but not as many people get flagged.

 

I task anyone of you to stake out Springfield Blvd in the evening from 7/8PM to 10:45PM  and watch how many buses flag the stop and the number of people waiting, it's really a shame. So when I see 15 min headway after 8PM and then 20min headway from 9 till 11pm I just shake my head because whenever I'm on one of those trips, flagging is virtually guaranteed. GUARANTEED.

 

I'd suggest maybe 12 min headway until 9PM and 15 min headway until 10/10:30. That would definitely increase customer satisfaction. Perhaps they feel that increasing the number of trips in the evening is a waste if half the bus empties out by Meacham Ave. But they need to do something or have people enter through the back door, its too cold to be getting flagged.

 

Nobody's exaggerating. The n6 is usually crowded between 7:30 and 11:30 p.m because it's the only bus route that runs at the time. Both n6 Express and n1 rush hour service ends right before they're really needed, and as a result, you have twenty people waiting at the corner of Hillside and 168th Street for the one n6 Local. The buses are usually SRO from the 169th Street Subway to Locust wood Blvd. About half of the people on the SRO n6 usually get off at Elmont (Between Locustwood and Meacham) and the other half takes the n6 all the way to the terminal. 

Exactly!  The last N1 leaves Jamaica at 7:30pm, then the N6 drops down to 15 min headways till 9pm where it drops to 20 min headways. Sometimes the makes it worse. Train delays will cause bunching and will cause an influx of n6 riders waiting to pack onto the bus on its crap headways. If you don't get on at 168th street then you're SOoL. 

 

I used to take the bus from Hempstead late at night 10:30pm-11. The bus leaves the terminal SRO, and continues to pick up people along the way, drop off's usually don't start until Elmont, either Grand Street or Meacham Ave.

 

I heard one driver say that the busiest part is between Locustwood Blvd and Elmont Road. He said he could have 20 people on the bus From Hempstead until Elmont Rd, but by the time they reach the county line it's full.

 

I wonder what would happen if they started putting in short turns at Franklin Ave.

Edited January 6, 2014 by N6 Limited

[Vistausss]

I said every bus till 1:30 AM because someone else stated even that bus is crush loaded. Yeah right. So many buses crush loaded... SRO I do believe but crush loaded even until night time, nah.

 

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Edited January 6, 2014 by Vistausss

[N6 Limited]

The n6 will amaze you, the bus can be crush loaded at 11pm coming from Jamaica. The bus is SRO at 4:30 in the morning! If the bus was crush loaded at 1:30am going to Jamaica, maybe the previous bus was missing or something.

 

I'm not sure what their definition of "crush loaded" is though. Certain users have shown us videos of "crush loaded" buses with 3 standees.  The N6 can get literally crush loaded, 15+ standees. 

Edited January 6, 2014 by N6 Limited

[Amtrak7]

The n6 will amaze you, the bus can be crush loaded at 11pm coming from Jamaica. The bus is SRO at 4:30 in the morning! If the bus was crush loaded at 1:30am going to Jamaica, maybe the previous bus was missing or something.

 

I'm not sure what their definition of "crush loaded" is though. Certain users have shown us videos of "crush loaded" buses with 3 standees.  The N6 can get literally crush loaded, 15+ standees. 

 

Regardless of what definition of "crush loaded" they're using, I wouldn't expect even a few standees in the wee hours of the morning (1a-4a).

 

NYCT runs 2 buses per hour during the overnights for quite a few routes, do they become SRO under normal conditions? (no bunching or special events)

 

2010 data shows the n6 with 14.25k daily riders. That is equivalent to the Bx11 today, which is #52 of 177 in NYCT.

[Mtatransit]

I said every bus till 1:30 AM because someone else stated even that bus is crush loaded. Yeah right. So many buses crush loaded... SRO I do believe but crush loaded even until night time, nah.

 

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One reason why it is crushload is because of its bad headway during that time peroid, it really is unpredictable sometime like what others are saying sometimes if your lucky you can get a seat all the way from 165 to hempstead if your not lucky oh no standing for one hour all the way. Also just like the Q49 at night at maybe 100 am where the schedule states it arrives every 20 min it is still SRO just because of the long headways doesn't mean that it can't get crowded.

[N6 Limited]

@n6 Limited: I thought I remember that Yuki once said some time last year that n43 can be pretty crowded in rush hour. It also serves NCC so that might be true...

 

 

Honestly the n43 needs 15 minute intervals, not 20 or 30 minute intervals.

 

The n54/55 intervals also need to be 30 minutes each (15 minutes combined).

The n43 just goes to show you that routing makes all the difference. The N45 uses Uniondale Ave and gets crap ridership, The N43 gets created and ridership continues to grow.