JubaionBx12+SBS Posted February 24, 2012 Share #1 Posted February 24, 2012 It is rare in the NYC Subway this day and age to have trains running exactly in accordance with their scheduled headways. The only time people even notice something off with the service is when the gaps in between trains are significantly smaller or larger than the headway at the time. The question I would like to ask is what spells that "significantly" word in your mind? How far must the gap be from the scheduled headway to get you worried about the line on which you are commuting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted February 24, 2012 Share #2 Posted February 24, 2012 For the IRT lines, if it's more than 20min, then something must be really wrong. Even as bad as the can be, I never had to wait over more than 15min at worst.* Midday hours.* For B division lines (not counting the ), for the most part and at the extreme, I would say 30 min. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Local Posted February 24, 2012 Share #3 Posted February 24, 2012 In December, I was on a ( just getting off the Manny B to stop at DeKalb. We stopped for at least 7-10 minutes, before we even crossed over to A3 (Brighton Track, DeKalb to Prospect Park). I told my friend who I was with, that it usually doesn't take this long, for a to pass. I knew something was majorly wrong. Sure enough, we pull into Dekalb, sat there for about 7 minutes, and were re-routed via 4 Av Local and West End Express to Coney Island; Debris on the tracks at Beverly Road. So Automatically, I can tell, when something is going down.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriboroughBridge Posted February 24, 2012 Share #4 Posted February 24, 2012 I don't know why but lately during the PM rush, around 3:30 there have been about 15 minute gaps on the & ! That's ridiculous even for service during the day! Luckily I also have the , but still 15 f*****g minutes during rush hours!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgor Posted February 24, 2012 Share #5 Posted February 24, 2012 If I have to wait for more than 5 minutes for the in the morning I get really worried. Although I'd be able to tell if something was up if there were so many people already there that I could barely even get in the station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KTrainExp Posted February 24, 2012 Share #6 Posted February 24, 2012 Depends on what time it is. If it's the morning rush, if I don't see a train within 8 minutes, then I start wondering what's going on. If it's late night, I could be standing there for 20 minutes not caring lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kacie Jane Posted February 24, 2012 Share #7 Posted February 24, 2012 If it's late night, I could be standing there for 20 minutes not caring lol. That's good, seeing as how during late nights, trains are only scheduled every 20 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted February 24, 2012 Share #8 Posted February 24, 2012 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azspeedbullet Posted February 24, 2012 Share #9 Posted February 24, 2012 About 10 mins, mostly because i only take the and the or Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted February 24, 2012 Share #10 Posted February 24, 2012 Average wait times should be half that of the headway. If I know a train just passed, I can expect to wait the full 10 minutes (or whatever headway for the service there is). However, if the station is full of passengers in the waiting area and I've waited more than the average, than I know something's not right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak7 Posted February 25, 2012 Share #11 Posted February 25, 2012 On a busy corridor: 12 or so minutes, or twice a confirmed headway (e.g. if I'm waiting for the at Queens Plz and I see two ®'s in the same direction at reasonable intervals I know something's wrong) On a less-busy corridor like the , then 18 or so minutes. Of course if GO's are running then everything is screwed around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted February 25, 2012 Share #12 Posted February 25, 2012 If I have to wait for more than 5 minutes for the in the morning I get really worried. Although I'd be able to tell if something was up if there were so many people already there that I could barely even get in the station. I get those lines are very crowded, but 5 min and you get worried? 8-10 min sounds more reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgor Posted February 25, 2012 Share #13 Posted February 25, 2012 I get those lines are very crowded, but 5 min and you get worried? 8-10 min sounds more reasonable. Once a train leaves you can literally see the next one arriving if you look down the tunnel, and the stations get so crowded that sometimes I have to let the first train go by so that I can get closer to the edge of the platform to make it in the next one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted February 25, 2012 Share #14 Posted February 25, 2012 With the way people holds the doors and causing the train to dwell at a station longer than it should, 5 min would be too soon to assume the worst imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDTA Posted February 25, 2012 Share #15 Posted February 25, 2012 15-20 Minutes depending on time of day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted February 25, 2012 Share #16 Posted February 25, 2012 ive waited 25-30 minutes for trains before on Queens Blvd, you just be paitent, relax, meditate wahtever and itll be there before you know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted February 25, 2012 Share #17 Posted February 25, 2012 I got worry yesterday, I was planning to catch 13:45 NICE N24 from Metropolitan Museum so I took pic of M79, took it, soon ( came, then soon came. When I got off at Kew-Garden, there was , so I quickly took pic of both , but missed that . I thought I might have to wait for train missing my friend's bus, but another pulled up few minutes later, which I was lucky because waiting for is longer headway for me. This was on Wed the day of Marriot Hotel Meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gong Gahou Posted February 25, 2012 Share #18 Posted February 25, 2012 Near the end of my high school years I would transfer at 14th Street - Union Square for the , and the times will vary. I remember I would often miss the trains that comes at 7:08 am or so, and usually I won't see the next one until 7:18. Sometimes it's 7:24 or 7:28. But there was one time when the next train arrived after 7:40! I see much more uptown (Q)s than downtown (Q)s, but that's probably because of rush hour. So, if I don't see one after a half hour, then that might be a sure indication that something's wrong. Another indicator that something's wrong with the would be when I see some trains running express to 57th Street, possibly to fill in the gap for downtown service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted February 26, 2012 Share #19 Posted February 26, 2012 I would say 10-15 minutes, but I automatically know if something is going wrong and I need to think about an alternate route. I don't know why but lately during the PM rush, around 3:30 there have been about 15 minute gaps on the & ! That's ridiculous even for service during the day! Luckily I also have the , but still 15 f*****g minutes during rush hours!? Really? I live of the & lines and ride them daily. I have yet to experience this. The only time I avoid them is some days after 9pm. Especially during FastTrack. Then I just take the or the . The only major issue I have had was about 2 weeks ago when I got on a 2 that was making all local stops through Manhattan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted February 26, 2012 Share #20 Posted February 26, 2012 ....anything more 15 mins, I'm taking another mode.... on most days, 10 is usually my limit..... I aint waitin no 20-30 mins for any subway train here in NYC.... forget about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acela Express Posted February 26, 2012 Share #21 Posted February 26, 2012 A few years back, going to work, I used to take the G train to Broadway from Hoyt-Schemerhorn St. station (or occasionally at Bedford-Nostrand Avenues), and at the time I was working graveyard shift, left the house at my normal time to get the work *on-time*... However, waiting this night, the platform got a bit more crowded than usual; 20 mins. passed; 30 mins. passed; 47 minutes came, the train shows up. It was one of those nights I didn't risk going to Station Agent to find out what was going on because it'll be the night the train strolls through while you're trying to get information about such and such. Nah, I'm good; I'll wait. :tdown: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriboroughBridge Posted February 29, 2012 Share #22 Posted February 29, 2012 Really? Yes really, I catch the (2)/(5) at Atlantic Ave, at around 3:30, & trains are 15 minutes a part. Just today a left Atlantic & the next train was to arrive in 17 minutes! If you don't believe me, that's your problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted March 20, 2012 Share #23 Posted March 20, 2012 It is rare in the NYC Subway this day and age to have trains running exactly in accordance with their scheduled headways. The only time people even notice something off with the service is when the gaps in between trains are significantly smaller or larger than the headway at the time. The question I would like to ask is what spells that "significantly" word in your mind? How far must the gap be from the scheduled headway to get you worried about the line on which you are commuting? Depends on the time of day. However, keep in mind that just because the headways appear normal doesn't mean the trains are running on time. They could ALL be late, as has happened (frequently) during the rush, especially when the road blows up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'89 Liberty MCI Posted March 20, 2012 Share #24 Posted March 20, 2012 Yes really, I catch the (2)/(5) at Atlantic Ave, at around 3:30, & trains are 15 minutes a part. Just today a left Atlantic & the next train was to arrive in 17 minutes! If you don't believe me, that's your problem. East New York, Triboro is correct. I do not know what the deal is with the sometimes; they can be very erratic. Saturday I took a from 96 St to Grand Army Plaza and the board said the next to Zoo Lots was due up in 5 minutes, and the next to Flatbush was due up in 18 minutes. Not good. Weird how they would allow 13 minutes to pass before any 7th Ave EXP/Eastern Pky LCL shows up, when each line is supposed to operate every 12 minutes weekends for a combined headway of 6 minutes. Now I do not know whether the board was accurate, as I did not stay at the station to see the listed trains come. Well about an hour later or so I went to Eastern Pky-Brooklyn Museum to take a to Flatbush. So I hear a train leaving, I feel the air rushing, and I see people exiting the eastbound platform, so I know an eastbound train just left. I ask some people what train it was, and someone told me it was a . I looked at the board and saw that the next was due up in 12 minutes. So the (2)s were running at their scheduled headways. But the next was not due up for at least another 16 minutes (possibly more, and definitely not less)! What the strangeness!? The board also said that another to Flatbush was due up 6 minutes after the next . This was accurate, as I got off at Flatbush and waited around a bit, and sure enough I saw headlights in the tunnel a few minutes later. Train bunching. A while back, on a Sunday when the was running local in Manhattan south of Penn Station and the was terminating at Penn, I waited about 19 minutes at 96 St for a to Flatbush. Got off at Flatbush, waited around a bit, and just like this past Saturday, I saw headlights in the tunnel a few minutes later. Again, train bunching. My hunch is that this is happening for one of the following reasons: 1. A train is on time, it runs late one trip, and it is so late that trip that it ends up running late for its next trip (due to insufficient recovery time at a terminal). 2. MTA is running fewer trains than are supposed to be on the road according to schedules, because of financial problems, and they figure they will do it on lines that are more duplicitous like the and since it is far less obvious on those than on lines like the . The is erratic at times on the weekends like the . Not sure about . 3. The runs erratically so often because it is a long route (and well deserves its nickname of "the beast"). The length of the route should not cause it to run so erratically, but perhaps there is a lot of track work going on on the White Plains Road line that I do not know about because I am never over there, and this track work results in slow speed orders that result in all these delays on the . Of course it does not help that the line only operates every 12 minutes weekends and is the only service connecting damn near the *entire Bronx* to Harlem and the West Side. It really needs to operate every 8 minutes on weekends. Weird stuff. The need help! Especially the . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTimer Posted March 20, 2012 Share #25 Posted March 20, 2012 A few things... "The Beast" was when the ran to New Lots with 6 cars overnight. It still is a beast but is no longer the beast. TA is running enough trains on weekends, often one more train than is needed to run if trains were on time, and often a gap train on a nearby track if track geometry can hold one (train dispatching 101). On weekends, there often is flagging somewhere between 241 and 149-3Av, usually in the area of E180 (with the ongoing signal and track upgrades). This delays trains significantly, and is usually unaccounted for in the schedule posted for the public. Not all services run with even spacing. For instance, the at night do not run 10 mins apart. The comes first, followed a few mins later by an . They often connect at Roosevelt. There is so much flagging on the Lex overnight, throw those schedules out the window. As far as the is concerned, if it loses enough time in the Bronx, the that supposed to be behind it gets in front of it, often further delays the , the ends up running ahead of schedule, and the often falls further behind. However, the will not get a skip unless its follower is on time, which will create the bunching, and the first gets to go express either on the EP or Nostrand trunks. That's why one would see the being pretty much on time, followed by a large gap in the . Often if one would see when the following , it would be less time than that two, which indicates that exactly happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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