Joel Up Front Posted March 6, 2012 Share #51 Posted March 6, 2012 You didn't really need sources to know that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted March 6, 2012 Share #52 Posted March 6, 2012 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted March 6, 2012 Share #53 Posted March 6, 2012 While I'm at it, it seems as though the '04 Orion V CNGs have all been reprogrammed. Saw 1689 today with NICE BUS on the destination sign and another bus with a larger font N6 Jamaica 165 St Term reading. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marctalky1 Posted March 6, 2012 Share #54 Posted March 6, 2012 I know right, when I saw his post I was like 'here we go again'. With one post dedicated to that topic and the other one were it came up, I can't believe someone would bring it up in this one (though not totally surprised) I say let the question over ownership of 1760-1839 go, nothing good has come of it. The only thing that topic has done is bring nothing but trouble. While I'm at it, it seems as though the '04 Orion V CNGs have all been reprogrammed. Saw 1689 today with NICE BUS on the destination sign and another bus with a larger font N6 Jamaica 165 St Term reading. N16 says hempstead transit center, n49 says hempstead bus terminal that's strange. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted March 6, 2012 Share #55 Posted March 6, 2012 N16 says hempstead transit center, n49 says hempstead bus terminal that's strange. Maybe it was better with the old signs that just read "HEMPSTEAD" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted March 7, 2012 Share #56 Posted March 7, 2012 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted March 7, 2012 Share #57 Posted March 7, 2012 Well, according to my sources, [and unnamed Orion and reps], 1760-1839 is paid for by Tiger Grants to (MTA)'s Long Island Bus Operations, thus the bus are owned by the and stored in the owned Mitchel Field Bus Depot. Well, still, they are owned by the , painting the busses is like a person painting a car on lease from the car dealership. So Nassau and Veolia has to [probably] pay the damages and/or buy the busses and Mitchel Field Depot from the . This is why if you look closely, the Long Island Bus and Bus Depot Stickers are fully intact but covered up on the 1800-1839, and maybe 1760-1799. As again mentioned above, it's like damaging another party's property. Also, the might just say screw it and take the busses away from Nassau County. This is why 1760 thru 1839 is wrapped instead of painted, and that is why 1700-1759 is painted. Right, and according to other sources since the grants were used to buy buses to be used in Nassau County, as far as the government is concerned these buses are to be used in Nassau County. SO, if the buses are assumed to be used in the Nassau County throughout their lifetime, what's the problem with painting them? If I leased a white bus, I'd have every right to paint it as long as I returned it it's original white color when I turned the bus back back in to the owner. If these buses are assumed to be used in Nassau County for their lifetime, Nassau/Veolia would never have to restore the bus to it's orginal condition, because the bus would stay where it is for the remainder of it's lifetime. No? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted March 7, 2012 Share #58 Posted March 7, 2012 the might just say screw it and take the busses away from Nassau County. Really? Beside the fact these buses were bought with the funds knowing the buses were to be used in Nassau County... If Veolia entered into contract to lease these buses to Veolia (or Nassau County, whatever the aragement is) how could the just say screw it, and take back the buses unless Nassau/Veolia violated part of the contract? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted March 7, 2012 Share #59 Posted March 7, 2012 If these buses were leased there has to be doccuments, and the MTA is a public agency, so who/where would I have to send a FOIL request to get the documents associated with the lease? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted March 8, 2012 Share #60 Posted March 8, 2012 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenEleven Posted March 9, 2012 Share #61 Posted March 9, 2012 Just a small tease of today's photo thread: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak7 Posted March 9, 2012 Share #62 Posted March 9, 2012 What in the world...the blue stripe is CLEARLY visible! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novabus 5000 Posted March 9, 2012 Author Share #63 Posted March 9, 2012 What kind of a!!ed s!!t is this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted March 9, 2012 Share #64 Posted March 9, 2012 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted March 9, 2012 Share #65 Posted March 9, 2012 Yeaaa, I really thought 1732 would be better. But if the blue stripe was clearly visible, why didn't they fix the wrap? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac5689 Posted March 9, 2012 Share #66 Posted March 9, 2012 Well, it's the (MTA)'s busses, so they can take them back anytime, even though it should be used in Nassau County, however since the is no longer operating Long Island Bus, the has the right and room to take the busses as their own. I'm pretty sure if they were paid by a grant from the Government that says that they can only be used in Nassau then the MTA can't take them back when ever they want, unless the MTA has the money to pay back the government. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted March 9, 2012 Share #67 Posted March 9, 2012 They could just kind of add a bit more wrap underneath... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted March 9, 2012 Share #68 Posted March 9, 2012 LMAO, epic Veolian Fail, XD! Actually it looks Veolia covered up the epic fail that is the livery...lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted March 9, 2012 Share #69 Posted March 9, 2012 I'm pretty sure if they were paid by a grant from the Government that says that they can only be used in Nassau then the MTA can't take them back when ever they want, unless the MTA has the money to pay back the government. Exactly, the funds were for buses to be used in Nassau County, not for the to use in Long Island. BIG difference. Funding was given for buses to be used in Nassau County, not to expand the fleet. I was gonna quote these posts and post them in the "bus ownership" thread but I'm outa town for a few days, didn't bring my laptop so I only have my phone. Maybe a mod will move all of these posts into another thread. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marctalky1 Posted March 9, 2012 Share #70 Posted March 9, 2012 I saw 1831 wrapped at around 830 this Morning on Hillside by the bus terminal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted March 9, 2012 Share #71 Posted March 9, 2012 Well, it's the (MTA)'s busses, so they can take them back anytime, even though it should be used in Nassau County, however since the is no longer operating Long Island Bus, the has the right and room to take the busses as their own. Also, painting could be permanent and against the said lease contract on the Busses, being Orion VII #1760-1839, so the could instantly just take them back or charge Nassau/Veolia to buy the busses from them. If Veolia hasn't violated any terms of the lease how in the world do you think the can just take back the buses on a whim? Also I know some people have been told by reliable people with the about the lease? Can you provide more details? I posted the email Veolia sent me about Nassau owning the buses/property... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted March 9, 2012 Share #72 Posted March 9, 2012 Maybe it's a test wrap to see how it is on the 1700's before ordering more. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted March 9, 2012 Share #73 Posted March 9, 2012 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted March 9, 2012 Share #74 Posted March 9, 2012 Not really... rarely has these flaws.. lol I was kidding about the flaw, IMO the plain stripe is a flaw on the buses. But yea the is not flawed. ok... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted March 9, 2012 Share #75 Posted March 9, 2012 As again, I've said it over and over again, I don't want this to be turned into KSR vs BST & MAC, a Long Island VG8 vs CMC episode... People complained, I listened, and read my previous posts, your answers should be all in them... If you read my post you would have seen I said I'm not at home and only have my phone to respond. I woulda quoted these and posted them in the other thread but that would take a lot of time on my phone that I don't really have. Like I said, I hope will move all of the off topic posts. ...and as far as you answering my questions, you still haven't answered how if their is a lease how the could take the buses back on a whim if Veolia didn't break any of the terms of the lease? Also, you haven't posted any proof of how the buses are owned, I posted the email, Kack (I forget his last. and off hand) sent me saying the buses are owned by the county. Thanks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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