UlmerPark B6 Posted June 30, 2008 Share #1 Posted June 30, 2008 Is it illegal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil D. Posted June 30, 2008 Share #2 Posted June 30, 2008 No. Taking pictures and video anywhere in the system is legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
error46146 Posted June 30, 2008 Share #3 Posted June 30, 2008 Is it illegal? nope, 100% allowed of course your gonna have these a-holes that are gonna scream at you and try to brainwash you into their propaganda and make you think its illegal but nope its totally 100% legal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metsfan Posted June 30, 2008 Share #4 Posted June 30, 2008 nope, 100% allowed of course your gonna have these a-holes that are gonna scream at you and try to brainwash you into their propaganda and make you think its illegal but nope its totally 100% legal No one but a city worker be it police mta fire etc can tell you to not take photos. If there is a specific terror alert they may have police/transit workers etc looking for cameras, but other than that it is 100% ok & fun! For (NJT) they just like at least one person on shift be it at a station or on a train to know you're taking photos. Don't ask them, just let them know. As for PATH you need a permit, as the route that the trains take are smattered with highly sensitive possible "targets" including bridges etc. Since PATH is a major connector, they would also like to avoid non-terror related things like kids tress-passing using photos to plan it etc. All that said, you will indeed get a paranoid person here and there, but in my experience also people interested in what you are doing because they are curious. - Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted June 30, 2008 Share #5 Posted June 30, 2008 http://www.mta.info/nyct/rules/rules.htm Section 1050.9 - Restricted areas and activities. 3. Photography, filming or video recording in any facility or conveyance is permitted except that ancillary equipment such as lights, reflectors or tripods may not be used. Members of the press holding valid identification issued by the New York City Police Department are hereby authorized to use necessary ancillary equipment. All photographic activity must be conducted in accordance with the provisions of this Part. In other words, 100% legal as long as you don't use flash and stay in legal parts of the system (i.e. Don't go in the tunnels if you know what's good for you). Also, try not to attract attention to yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelham Bay Dave Posted July 1, 2008 Share #6 Posted July 1, 2008 Well really its a gray area. Taking picture in the Subway Systerm is legal. However transit workers are to report picture taken and police are suppose to investigate to make sure your not taken picture of sensitive areas. There is not clear cut policy they will tell you that its ok to take the pictures and tell the employees picture taking of (Equipment / systerm Property) is suspicaus activity and must be reported to control center. So just have fun take pictures and if asked by a police officer just tell them why your taking pictures Train Buff , Tourist or what ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted July 1, 2008 Share #7 Posted July 1, 2008 http://www.mta.info/nyct/rules/rules.htmSection 1050.9 - Restricted areas and activities. 3. Photography, filming or video recording in any facility or conveyance is permitted except that ancillary equipment such as lights, reflectors or tripods may not be used. Members of the press holding valid identification issued by the New York City Police Department are hereby authorized to use necessary ancillary equipment. All photographic activity must be conducted in accordance with the provisions of this Part. In other words, 100% legal as long as you don't use flash and stay in legal parts of the system (i.e. Don't go in the tunnels if you know what's good for you). Also, try not to attract attention to yourself. This is why people should print the MTA rules so you can make those suckas STFU... B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N-Trizzy2609 Posted July 1, 2008 Share #8 Posted July 1, 2008 As LEGAL as it is, why did the t/o of a train shake his fist at me and flipped me off when i was taking a video of his train? I think the MTA should stay outta our business if it's and i quote "LEGAL!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelham Bay Dave Posted July 1, 2008 Share #9 Posted July 1, 2008 Sounds like thats a T/O with issues! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted July 1, 2008 Share #10 Posted July 1, 2008 As LEGAL as it is, why did the t/o of a train shake his fist at me and flipped me off when i was taking a video of his train "Was it something I said?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo M 201 Posted July 1, 2008 Share #11 Posted July 1, 2008 The MTA tried to make it so that photography isn't allowed but the ALCU fought against them a few years. The MTA failed at their attempts. Today, MTA workers and police think photography isn't allowed, but it is according to the rules posted by R1608713. Just print a copy out, take it around with you whenever you go picture taking, and if stopped by a worker or a police officer, just tell them in a nice way what your doing and that its prefectly legal, they tell you no, just tell them you prove otherwise by telling him/her your going to show the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOMan Posted July 1, 2008 Share #12 Posted July 1, 2008 The MTA tried to make it so that photography isn't allowed but the ALCU fought against them a few years. The MTA failed at their attempts. Today, MTA workers and police think photography isn't allowed, but it is according to the rules posted by R1608713. Just print a copy out, take it around with you whenever you go picture taking, and if stopped by a worker or a police officer, just tell them in a nice way what your doing and that its prefectly legal, they tell you no, just tell them you prove otherwise by telling him/her your going to show the rules. Um correction... SOME MTA workers and police think photography isn't allowed.. Needed to add that there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo M 201 Posted July 2, 2008 Share #13 Posted July 2, 2008 Um correction... SOME MTA workers and police think photography isn't allowed.. Needed to add that there... Right, thanks for that correction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOB2RTO Posted July 2, 2008 Share #14 Posted July 2, 2008 nope, 100% allowed of course your gonna have these a-holes that are gonna scream at you and try to brainwash you into their propaganda and make you think its illegal but nope its totally 100% legal That is what I will do to you, if I catch you taking pics around and of my train. Why? Just because it will be fun to do......... As LEGAL as it is, why did the t/o of a ( train shake his fist at me and flipped me off when i was taking a video of his train? That is what I will do to Error and Pablo. Actually I told Pablo awhile back that is how I will identify myself. But now this T/O made it that much harder for me to identify myself in the future as it could be me or him...:mad::mad::mad:....... Sounds like thats a T/O with issues! Don't be shy, it was you wasn't it????? Um correction... SOME MTA workers and police think photography isn't allowed.. I will be one, and will make Errors picture taking days a nightmare. Then I will use my camera phone to take pics of him crying, and post it on Youtube, then on here.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCboy Posted July 3, 2008 Share #15 Posted July 3, 2008 hey if that was not illegal why did my brother get prosecuted for the recording the LIRR? (you now the woodside station he was recording from window area of the station) the police officer said "you were doing a terriorst act:confused:". i dont really now why but maybe this was the police officer first time in his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelham Bay Dave Posted July 3, 2008 Share #16 Posted July 3, 2008 [ Don't be shy, it was you wasn't it????? Haha!Lol! Don't work the ( remember? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metsfan Posted July 4, 2008 Share #17 Posted July 4, 2008 hey if that was not illegal why did my brother get prosecuted for the recording the LIRR? (you now the woodside station he was recording from window area of the station) the police officer said "you were doing a terriorst act:confused:". i dont really now why but maybe this was the police officer first time in his job. That's lame. Taking photos isn't a crime. - Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOB2RTO Posted July 6, 2008 Share #18 Posted July 6, 2008 [ Don't be shy, it was you wasn't it????? Haha!Lol! Don't work the remember? I remember....... That's lame. Taking photos isn't a crime. - Andy It can be. Take nude photos of the an underage girl (or boy if that tickles your fancy), and see what happens if you get caught.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NASCAR Posted July 6, 2008 Share #19 Posted July 6, 2008 I always thought after 9-11 ALL picture taking was not permitted.Everytime I see people taking pictures of the token booths or on the platforms, Police or TA employees tell them not to do it! When I took the safety awareness class,they said to report people taking pictures.(suspicious people) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metsfan Posted July 6, 2008 Share #20 Posted July 6, 2008 I remember....... It can be. Take nude photos of the an underage girl (or boy if that tickles your fancy), and see what happens if you get caught.......... Well yes... photographing a specific subject might be illegal, but the act of snapping a photo, subject aside is not in and of itself illegal as it is protected by our first amendment rights. You are allowed to do anything you want as long as you're willing to face the consequences. Me being a photographer i have had to struggle to get shots of things people are allowed to videotape, and in the "age of terror" every picture you see rides right on the line of what you can and can't do. You will see me put my camera away when i get on a PATH train at newark after photographing up a storm on a (NJT) train, but as soon as i get to street level at WTC station out it comes to do more work. Part of getting the right to take photos of things that are seen as "ok" is following the rules, and if you want to challenge the rules, you got that track record to show you know how to be responsible & "follow along". All society is, is a collection of accepted norms and rules. All that being said, there are situations when you gotta take it into your own hands to make a point, and that may mean you get a fine, or questioned by police etc, but photographing transit isn't really one of those arenas. It's kind of a no-brainer that if you have a tourist bus & people are allowed to take photos of the bus, why cant me, standing on the street etc. Impeding photography won't deter terrorists if they are determined to do bad stuff. It's kind of like saying only police are allowed to use deadly force (not that i'm a supporter of owning firearms etc) to protect themselves. - Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOB2RTO Posted July 7, 2008 Share #21 Posted July 7, 2008 I always thought after 9-11 ALL picture taking was not permitted.Everytime I see people taking pictures of the token booths or on the platforms, Police or TA employees tell them not to do it! When I took the safety awareness class,they said to report people taking pictures.(suspicious people) MTA said it was legal (on public property), but then of course they still tell employees different. I think they like doing this cause it amuses them. I wouldn't call squat, unless a person was in an unauthorized area doing this......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NASCAR Posted July 9, 2008 Share #22 Posted July 9, 2008 MTA said it was legal (on public property), but then of course they still tell employees different. I think they like doing this cause it amuses them. I wouldn't call squat, unless a person was in an unauthorized area doing this.........I agree!If you see something,say something..:eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R1Toasty Posted July 9, 2008 Share #23 Posted July 9, 2008 I had yet another experience of this variety during my last visit to the city. I proved my inquiring MTA employee incorrect, but her reason for accosting my was simply "they tell us it's not allowed." Perhaps that was just to soften the blow, I dunno. BTW, DOB2RTO, were you by any chance training on the ( line in late June? This is an unrelated incident, but I noticed a TO in training on said line and that it says you're now a TO under your name... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOB2RTO Posted July 10, 2008 Share #24 Posted July 10, 2008 BTW, DOB2RTO, were you by any chance training on the line in late June? This is an unrelated incident, but I noticed a TO in training on said line and that it says you're now a TO under your name... I don't start training until Monday July 14. I want nothing to do with the B Div. I want A Div only, unless I have no choice....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R1Toasty Posted July 10, 2008 Share #25 Posted July 10, 2008 I don't start training until Monday July 14. I want nothing to do with the B Div. I want A Div only, unless I have no choice....... Cool, I'll be on the A division if I get hired as a conductor and can pick it, because there aren't as many half width cabs in the A div... now all I need is that CR test. Well, be sure to tell us what lines you're on so we can get lots of pictures of you flipping us off B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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