BM5 via Woodhaven Posted March 7, 2012 Share #1 Posted March 7, 2012 Well I look at an Aeral View of Google Maps on the Railroad Tracks past Waterbury. There is three tracks which turns into two. One track ends somewhere in a suburban town and the other tracks connect to AMTRAK tracks that go to Hartford. Is it safe for MNRR trains to go on these tracks and go to Hartford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted March 7, 2012 Share #2 Posted March 7, 2012 It could go to Hartford, but Amtrak may not like it, since the and ConnDOT would lower the prices. Plus it all depends on each county if they would allow MTA to run up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted March 7, 2012 Share #3 Posted March 7, 2012 The line is not electrified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted March 7, 2012 Share #4 Posted March 7, 2012 The line is not electrified. neither is the Waterbury trains. If the question is can the locomotives physically use those tracks to go up there, the answer is yes, but legally no since Amtrak has trackage rights to their hartford and springfield line. The track conditon is probably very poor since noone really goes up there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted March 7, 2012 Share #5 Posted March 7, 2012 neither is the Waterbury trains. If the question is can the locomotives physically use those tracks to go up there, the answer is yes, but legally no since Amtrak has trackage rights to their hartford and springfield line. The track conditon is probably very poor since noone really goes up there Thanks: I didn't know MNR had diesels. And Amtrak uses the line multiple times a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted March 7, 2012 Share #6 Posted March 7, 2012 New Canaan is the only NEC branch that electrified in CT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted March 7, 2012 Share #7 Posted March 7, 2012 Thanks: I didn't know MNR had diesels. And Amtrak uses the line multiple times a day. Not to change the subject but diesels are also used on these mnrr coordiors. 1)Hudson Line-Between Poughkeepsie and Croton Harmon 2)Harlem Valley Line-Between Wassic and Southeast(Brewster north) 3)Both (NJT)operated West of Hudson Lines aka Pt. Jervis and Spring Valley, NY lines. Back to topic. There was talk among a few CT. political leaders around 2007-'08 including former Gov. Jodi Rell about creating a new New Haven-Hartford-Springfield, Mass line to be run by either the CT DOT or Metro North. I am sure it been placed on hold due to the recession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted March 7, 2012 Share #8 Posted March 7, 2012 Not to change the subject but diesels are also used on these mnrr coordiors. 1)Hudson Line-Between Poughkeepsie and Croton Harmon 2)Harlem Valley Line-Between Wassic and Southeast(Brewster north) 3)Both (NJT)operated West of Hudson Lines aka Pt. Jervis and Spring Valley, NY lines. Back to topic. There was talk among a few CT. political leaders around 2007-'08 including former Gov. Jodi Rell about creating a new New Haven-Hartford-Springfield, Mass line to be run by either the CT DOT or Metro North. I am sure it been placed on hold due to the recession. Beacon Line is another. Even tho its not in passenger service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted March 7, 2012 Share #9 Posted March 7, 2012 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted March 7, 2012 Share #10 Posted March 7, 2012 Yeah, hopefully this plan succeeds in the near future, the I-91 corridor surely need some commuter rail service into NYC/New Haven. It's a line that won't gain enough ridership to sustain commuter rail service, a DMU line would do. I'd rather invest on the I-287 corridor. I don't think a NYC-Hartford MNRR line would work since it's already almost 2 hours between GCT and New Haven. Instead just like CT DOT"s Shore Line East to SE CT. maybe create a regional line between Stamford and Hartford/Springfield, Mass linking Bradley Airport/Hartford and Central Mass's Pioneer Valley including Springfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted March 7, 2012 Share #11 Posted March 7, 2012 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted March 7, 2012 Share #12 Posted March 7, 2012 That would work, and be logical and probably satisfy Amtrak. yea but doesnt Amtrak do that already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted March 7, 2012 Share #13 Posted March 7, 2012 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interested Rider Posted March 7, 2012 Share #14 Posted March 7, 2012 I go to Springfield at least once a year and the problem is that it is single track for most of the route. The shuttle trains from New Haven are two cars with an engine (push-pull) each way. If my memory serves me correctly, they are supposed to add a second track on the route beginning this year that would improve the service going up there. What they should do is add a stop at the National Basketball Hall of Fame at Springfield which is on the route and would increase ridership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted March 7, 2012 Share #15 Posted March 7, 2012 I go to Springfield at least once a year and the problem is that it is single track for most of the route. The shuttle trains from New Haven are two cars with an engine (push-pull) each way. If my memory serves me correctly, they are supposed to add a second track on the route beginning this year that would improve the service going up there.What they should do is add a stop at the National Basketball Hall of Fame at Springfield which is on the route and would increase ridership. Thus why i support if funding became available(assuming mostly from Washington since this is a multi-state issue)a line between New Haven and Hartford/Springfield similar to the Shoreeast line serving the SE coast of CT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted March 8, 2012 Share #16 Posted March 8, 2012 Thanks: I didn't know MNR had diesels. And Amtrak uses the line multiple times a day. What are you smoking Metro North has always had diesels and dual modes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted March 8, 2012 Share #17 Posted March 8, 2012 I go to Springfield at least once a year and the problem is that it is single track for most of the route. The shuttle trains from New Haven are two cars with an engine (push-pull) each way. If my memory serves me correctly, they are supposed to add a second track on the route beginning this year that would improve the service going up there.What they should do is add a stop at the National Basketball Hall of Fame at Springfield which is on the route and would increase ridership. You do know that Con DOT does have plans for commuter service on Amtrak's Hartford/Springfield line. They have already got some government money to start adding more passing tracks to the line for this coming service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted March 9, 2012 Author Share #18 Posted March 9, 2012 That's Great. But who will run it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted March 9, 2012 Share #19 Posted March 9, 2012 That's Great. But who will run it. Still a few years off before its up. All I know its a CON DOT project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted March 11, 2012 Share #20 Posted March 11, 2012 Also New Haven and Hartford are planning a BRT route that would run between both cities. The MNRR goes to New Haven. You can board an MNRR train and get off at New Haven before boarding a bus to Hartford. That is a cheaper way to travel than Amtrak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted March 11, 2012 Share #21 Posted March 11, 2012 Also New Haven and Hartford are planning a BRT route that would run between both cities. The MNRR goes to New Haven. You can board an MNRR train and get off at New Haven before boarding a bus to Hartford. That is a cheaper way to travel than Amtrak. Or even better if you going to/from NYC and Hartford is use Peter Pan/Greyhound as well.:eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted March 12, 2012 Share #22 Posted March 12, 2012 yea but doesnt Amtrak do that already? But Amtrak's service is aimed more at intercity travel, than commuter/travel. The current Inland Route service doesn't run frequently enough for most commuters to, from and between New Haven, Hartford and Springfield to use. That's where the commuter rail service comes in. Also New Haven and Hartford are planning a BRT route that would run between both cities. The MNRR goes to New Haven. You can board an MNRR train and get off at New Haven before boarding a bus to Hartford. That is a cheaper way to travel than Amtrak. The BRT route is planned to run between Hartford and New Britain, not New Haven. The BRT route won't connect to Metro-North, because New Britain and New Haven are far from each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interested Rider Posted March 12, 2012 Share #23 Posted March 12, 2012 Still a few years off before its up. All I know its a CON DOT project I checked on the status of the project through the National Association of Railroad Passengers website and the latest information was from September 2011. There was a reference to money being given for the design and preliminary engineering for a 6 mile stretch of new double track from Hartford to Windsor and for an 8500' track for the Hartford yard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted March 12, 2012 Share #24 Posted March 12, 2012 Then let's extend the MNRR to New Britain. I am all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nostalgia Posted March 13, 2012 Share #25 Posted March 13, 2012 I go to Springfield at least once a year and the problem is that it is single track for most of the route. The shuttle trains from New Haven are two cars with an engine (push-pull) each way. If my memory serves me correctly, they are supposed to add a second track on the route beginning this year that would improve the service going up there.What they should do is add a stop at the National Basketball Hall of Fame at Springfield which is on the route and would increase ridership. The problem with the route is that it's S-L-O-W. It takes about 90 minutes to go 60 miles.. The MAS is 80 for most of the route. There's a slow stretch through Wallingford. The single track stretches are in CT. Schedules are designed for meets at the end of double track segments. It's double track in MA. I don't think the speed can be increased without eliminating a lot of the grade crossings. Traffic isn't evenly distributed during the day. There is more southbound traffic in the morning and more northbound traffic in the evening. I'm not sure a second track is necessary. Reducing travel time would have a greater impact on service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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