mark1447 Posted March 9, 2012 Share #1 Posted March 9, 2012 Despite a new $30 million marketing plan for Atlantic City in the works aimed at attracting more visitors from the tri-state region, in addition to the upcoming debut of the Revel mega-resort, as well as several multi-day music festivals slated for Bader Field this summer, the Associated Press reports today that the breaks have been put on for good with regard to the luxury train service between New York and Atlantic City, known as ACES . On Friday, the three casinos that paid for the service to start running Feb. 6, 2009 — The Borgata, Caesars and Harrah’s Resort — said they are putting the breaks on the three-year old service, which had yet to make a profit, even with reduced fares. More: ACES Train Off the Tracks for Good: ‘It Just Didn’t Work Out’ | Atlantic City Central Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfs NJT459 Posted March 10, 2012 Share #2 Posted March 10, 2012 The Atlantic City casinos involved — two of which are owned by the same company, Harrah’s Resort and Caesars (Caesars Entertainment) — according to the report, will seek to “sell or lease the eight rail cars they bought before the service began. The CRDA paid $4.5 million to lease four locomotives over the three years of service. Looks like the P40s will either stay on the :ac: or operate on other NJT lines but i am interested on where will the 8 ACES double decker cars will end up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted March 10, 2012 Author Share #3 Posted March 10, 2012 Looks like the P40s will either stay on the :ac: or operate on other NJT lines but i am interested on where will the 8 ACES double decker cars will end up I think there is like 1 or 2 P40s already in ACL service as per a few SEPTA buffs telling me. 1 also on RVL service. For the deckers, maybe NEC service could use them. Bump one set of Comets to another line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJokaPlaya Posted March 10, 2012 Share #4 Posted March 10, 2012 Um......I have a crazy idea: USE THEM FOR MEADOWLANDS EVENTS! Hint Hint Hint. The next time NJT screws up a event with Rail and blames it on Bus when I personally know Bus is a phone call and 20 minutes away with 2 garages near by, I'll go nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted March 10, 2012 Share #5 Posted March 10, 2012 Um......I have a crazy idea: USE THEM FOR MEADOWLANDS EVENTS! Hint Hint Hint. The next time NJT screws up a event with Rail and blames it on Bus when I personally know Bus is a phone call and 20 minutes away with 2 garages near by, I'll go nuts. don't be surprised if they do. besides noone really cared about the atlantic city new york train service when the bus was an hour faster anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted March 10, 2012 Share #6 Posted March 10, 2012 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtattrain Posted March 10, 2012 Share #7 Posted March 10, 2012 Goodbye ALP-44/Ms, if only few were running solely for the ACES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
553 Bridgeton Posted March 10, 2012 Share #8 Posted March 10, 2012 I say use the double decker cars for the ACL.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted March 11, 2012 Share #9 Posted March 11, 2012 I say use the double decker cars for the ACL.... use them for cafe cars for the NEC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted March 11, 2012 Share #10 Posted March 11, 2012 Also arent the P40's only leased from Amtrak? When is the lease up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justlurkin Posted March 12, 2012 Share #11 Posted March 12, 2012 Also arent the P40's only leased from Amtrak? When is the lease up? According to those "in the know" (RR engineers on Railroad.net), the four NJT P40s were bought, not leased. RAILROAD.NET • View topic - P40DC arrivals/status Maybe NJT bought the P40s but the CRDA was leasing them from NJT for the ACES service? I recall the P40s were in revenue service on other lines like Raritan Valley when not pulling ACES duty. Those same engineers seem to like the P40, and they appear to work well without major problems. They had complete overhauls before NJT took delivery, apparently. So even though ACES was a bust, the silver lining in the cloud is that NJT got four pretty good locomotives out of the deal. I'd imagine the P40s will be serving NJT well for at least another 10 years. Heck, if NJT needs more diesel power in the future, instead of buying new locos maybe it would be more economical to just steal a few more P40s from Amtrak. B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted March 12, 2012 Share #12 Posted March 12, 2012 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo M 201 Posted March 12, 2012 Share #13 Posted March 12, 2012 don't be surprised if they do. besides noone really cared about the atlantic city new york train service when the bus was an hour faster anyway That's exactly what the problem was, it wasn't any faster than taking a bus down there. If they ever decide to reactivate rail service south of Bay Head, then that's where you can run this service again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted March 12, 2012 Share #14 Posted March 12, 2012 That's exactly what the problem was, it wasn't any faster than taking a bus down there. If they ever decide to reactivate rail service south of Bay Head, then that's where you can run this service again. well damn train tracks south of bay head who knew?? I don't see em in google maps. so pm me what are you thinking these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjbr40 Posted March 12, 2012 Share #15 Posted March 12, 2012 he was referring to past time. there was a comet train to atlantic city before i was born. They must rip up certain area and keep some active. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted March 13, 2012 Share #16 Posted March 13, 2012 I say use the double decker cars for the ACL.... NJT is planning on leasing or selling out the 8 MLVs, according to sources on railroad.net... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfs NJT459 Posted March 14, 2012 Share #17 Posted March 14, 2012 NJT is planning on leasing or selling out the 8 MLVs, according to sources on railroad.net... nooo... it would've been nice to have bar cars on possibly :nec: , :njc: if Metro North buys them, they should have them on :mb: Port Jervis... the train ride is over 2 hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted March 18, 2012 Share #18 Posted March 18, 2012 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Amtrak has overhauled 809, 814-818, 821-824, 830-832, 835, 837 with ARRA funds http://www.on-track-on-line.com/amtkrinf-p40store.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted March 18, 2012 Share #19 Posted March 18, 2012 According to those "in the know" (RR engineers on Railroad.net), the four NJT P40s were bought, not leased. RAILROAD.NET • View topic - P40DC arrivals/status Maybe NJT bought the P40s but the CRDA was leasing them from NJT for the ACES service? I recall the P40s were in revenue service on other lines like Raritan Valley when not pulling ACES duty. Those same engineers seem to like the P40, and they appear to work well without major problems. They had complete overhauls before NJT took delivery, apparently. So even though ACES was a bust, the silver lining in the cloud is that NJT got four pretty good locomotives out of the deal. I'd imagine the P40s will be serving NJT well for at least another 10 years. Heck, if NJT needs more diesel power in the future, instead of buying new locos maybe it would be more economical to just steal a few more P40s from Amtrak. You are correct NJT did buy them out right http://www.on-track-on-line.com/amtkrinf-p40store.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted March 18, 2012 Share #20 Posted March 18, 2012 NJT is planning on leasing or selling out the 8 MLVs, according to sources on railroad.net... NJT doesnt own the cars. They are owned by Casino Reinvestment Development Authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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