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I just got back the Suffolk County ridership stats. Note that these numbers are totals for the month of January 2012.

 

Busiest 5:

S1 (48,613)

S45 (29,444)

S40 (27,245)

S92 (25,490)

S66 (23,423)

 

To give you an idea for comparison, based on the 2010 average of Saturday = 69.53% weekday, the S1 had an average weekday ridership of 1,945 in Jan. That's similar to the N27 (1908) or N1 (1968). The S45 is roughly 1,178 or the N58.

 

Lightest 5:

 

S31 (173)

10D/E (273)

S69 (592)

10A (635)

S35 (918)

 

Note that the belief of the S92 being second busiest is no longer true.

Full data will be posted shortly.

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I just got back the Suffolk County ridership stats. Note that these numbers are totals for the month of January 2012.

 

Busiest 5:

S1 (48,613)

S45 (29,444)

S40 (27,245)

S92 (25,490)

 

To give you an idea for comparison, based on the 2010 average of Saturday = 69.53% weekday, the S1 had an average weekday ridership of 1,945 in Jan. That's similar to the N27 (1908) or N1 (1968).

 

Lightest 5:

 

S31 (173)

10D/E (273)

S69 (592)

10A (635)

S35 (918)

 

Note that the belief of the S92 being second busiest is no longer true.

Full data will be posted shortly.

 

I've always said that the S69 had light ridership, but everyone says that it has higher ridership when SUNY Stoy Brook is in session. I assume that this probably supports them as I don't think SUNY Stony Brook is in session during Janurary.

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I've always said that the S69 had light ridership, but everyone says that it has higher ridership when SUNY Stoy Brook is in session. I assume that this probably supports them as I don't think SUNY Stony Brook is in session during Janurary.

 

But the S69 only runs 5 runs per day, so while it's still pretty terrible, it's not too terrible compared to other routes (especially since only 3 travel the full loop). 600/25 = 24 riders per day, which is about 5 riders per trip.

 

Amtrak, do you have the operating costs per mile for SCT? (Or for the individual companies). Maybe I can figure out the cost per passenger.

 

And what's the S110? The Suffolk Clipper?

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Amtrak, do you have the operating costs per mile for SCT? (Or for the individual companies). Maybe I can figure out the cost per passenger.

 

$99.36 per vehicle hour

$5.24 per vehicle mile

 

http://www.ntdprogram.gov/ntdprogram/pubs/profiles/2010/agency_profiles/2072.pdf

 

And what's the S110? The Suffolk Clipper?

 

Correct.

 

I did calculate passengers per trip, but I won't post the whole thing. (checkmate, PM me if you want it)

 

S1 27 weekday, 59 Saturday

S45 26 weekday, 33 Saturday

S40 19 weekday, 28 Saturday

S92 32 weekday, 22 Saturday

S66 36 weekday, 25 Saturday

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S31 2 weekday

10D/E ~0.7 weekday

S69 5 weekday, 3 Saturday

10A 2 weekday/Saturday

S35 3 weekday

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But the S69 only runs 5 runs per day, so while it's still pretty terrible, it's not too terrible compared to other routes (especially since only 3 travel the full loop). 600/25 = 24 riders per day, which is about 5 riders per trip.

 

Amtrak, do you have the operating costs per mile for SCT? (Or for the individual companies). Maybe I can figure out the cost per passenger.

 

And what's the S110? The Suffolk Clipper?

 

The S69 only makes two trips, 8:20-9:20 and 9:20-10:20, six nights a week (Mon-Sat)

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$99.36 per vehicle hour

$5.24 per vehicle mile

 

http://www.ntdprogram.gov/ntdprogram/pubs/profiles/2010/agency_profiles/2072.pdf

 

 

 

Correct.

 

I did calculate passengers per trip, but I won't post the whole thing. (checkmate, PM me if you want it)

 

 

S66 36 weekday, 25 Saturday

 

 

Thats an avrage right, I've been on a Saturday S66 run that I'd say had more then 25 people. (though I'm not sure if there were any children under 5 on the bus that day)

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The S69 only makes two trips, 8:20-9:20 and 9:20-10:20, six nights a week (Mon-Sat)

 

According to the schedule, it has 2 trips out of Lake Grove at 20:45 and 21:45. Going back, it has a PJ-Lake Grove trip at 20:20, an SB-Lake Grove trip at 21:04, and an SB-PJ trip at 22:04, so that's 5 trips, even though every portion of the route outside of the PJ Shopping Plaza only sees 4 buses per night.

 

I'll see if I can get to calculating the cost per passenger. I'll use revenue hours rather than revenue miles (I assume they aren't including layover time, where the driver is being paid, but the bus isn't picking up passengers)

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According to the schedule, it has 2 trips out of Lake Grove at 20:45 and 21:45. Going back, it has a PJ-Lake Grove trip at 20:20, an SB-Lake Grove trip at 21:04, and an SB-PJ trip at 22:04, so that's 5 trips, even though every portion of the route outside of the PJ Shopping Plaza only sees 4 buses per night.

 

I'll see if I can get to calculating the cost per passenger. I'll use revenue hours rather than revenue miles (I assume they aren't including layover time, where the driver is being paid, but the bus isn't picking up passengers)

 

You do know that the S69 is a loop, it has no layover. It only has one bus that makes two trips, I have ridden both trips when I was younger and can vouch that what I know is fact.

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You do know that the S69 is a loop, it has no layover. It only has one bus that makes two trips, I have ridden both trips when I was younger and can vouch that what I know is fact.

 

I see. So then it would be 6 riders per trip.

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I calculated the cost per passenger for all of the SCT routes. I multiplied $99.36 by the number of revenue hours to get the cost per weekday/Saturday, and then divided by the ridership. (For the S1, those totals are for the month because it didn't occur to me to just use the daily numbers), but it works out anyway.

 

Amtrak, do you want to add these to the spreadsheet?

 

S1:

Weekday: 184510.64/43157 = $4.28

Saturday: 11525.76/5456 = $2.11

 

S45:

Weekday: 5464.8/1188 = $4.60

Saturday: 2566.47/826 = $3.11

 

S40:

Weekday: 5216.4/1099 = $4.75

Saturday: 2434.32/764 = $3.19

 

S92:

Weekday: 7675.56/1029 = $7.46

Saturday: 7675.56/715 = $10.74

 

S66:

Weekday: 3419.64/945 = $3.62

Saturday: 3419.64/657 = $5.20

 

S33:

Weekday: 4221.14/767 = $5.50

Saturday: 1639.44/533 = $3.08

 

S54:

Weekday: 5862.24/757 = $7.74

Saturday: 3825.36/526 = $7.27

 

S41:

Weekday: 2922.84/748 = $3.91

Saturday: 2922.84/520 = $5.63

 

S58:

Weekday: 4347/745 = $5.83

Saturday: 4347/518 = $8.39

 

3D:

Weekday: 2351.52/624 = $3.77

Saturday: 2268.72/434 = $5.23

 

S60:

Weekday: 3361.68/609 = $5.52

Saturday: 3361.68/424 = $7.93

 

S61:

Weekday: 3254.04/588 = $5.53

Saturday: 3254.04/409 = $7.96

 

S27:

Weekday: 3083.47/509 = $6.06

Saturday: 2518.78/354 = $7.12

 

3B:

Weekday: 2368.08/492 = $4.81

Saturday: 2078.28/342 = $6.08

 

S62:

Weekday: 4496.04/467 = $9.63

Saturday: 3055.32/325 = $9.40

 

3A:

Weekday: 2426.04/422 = $5.75

Saturday: 2219.04/293 = $7.57

 

3C:

Weekday: 2240.57/359 = $6.24

Saturday: 2182.61/250 = $8.73

 

S42:

Weekday: 1838.16/347 = $5.30

Saturday: 1564.92/241 = $6.49

 

S29:

Weekday: 2310.12/316 = $7.31

Saturday: 1904.4/220 = $8.66

 

S63:

Weekday: 2147.83/295 = $7.28

Saturday: 2061.72/205 = $10.06

 

S23:

Weekday: 2111.4/293 = $7.21

Saturday: 1904.4/204 = $9.34

 

2A:

Weekday: 1937.52/243 = $7.97

Saturday: 1656/169 = $9.80

 

S57:

Weekday: 3303.72/229 = $14.43

Saturday: 3013.92/159 = $18.96

 

2B:

Weekday: 2066.69/218 = $9.48

Saturday: 2157.77/152 = $14.20

 

S68:

Weekday: 919.08/189 = $4.86

Saturday: 919.08/132 = $6.96

 

S59:

Weekday: 2361.46/175 = $13.49

Saturday: 2185.92/122 = $17.92

 

6B:

Weekday: 1788.48/169 = $10.58

Saturday: 1540.08/117 = $13.16

 

8A:

Weekday: 1896.12/161 = $11.78

Saturday: 1634.47/112 = $14.59

 

6A:

Weekday: 1275.12/161 = $7.92

Saturday: 1010.16/112 = $9.01

 

S20:

Weekday: 910.8/153 = $5.95

Saturday: 828/106 = $7.81

 

S71:

Weekday: 2285.28/153 = $14.94

Saturday: 1970.64/106 = $18.59

 

S56:

Weekday: 1796.76/147 = $12.22

Saturday: 1796.76/102 = $17.62

 

S25:

Weekday: 977.04/146 = $6.69

Saturday: 977.04/102 = $9.58

 

7D/E:

Weekday: 2103.12/140 = $15.02

Saturday: 1854.72/97 = $19.12

 

7B:

Weekday: 1059.84/132 = $8.03

Saturday: 960.48/92 = $10.44

 

7A:

Weekday: 1026.72/105 = $9.78

Saturday: 861.12/73 = $11.80

 

1A:

Weekday: 1084.68/94 = $11.54

Saturday: 885.96/65 = $13.63

 

10B:

Weekday: 1184.04/72 = $16.45

Saturday: 1184.04/50 = $23.68

 

5A:

Weekday: 1821.6/72 = $25.30

Saturday: 1672.56/50 = $33.45

 

S76:

Weekday: 1026.72/67 = $15.32

Saturday: 1026.72/47 = $21.85

 

S110 (Suffolk Clipper)

Weekday: 740.23/62 = $11.94

 

10C:

Weekday: 1068.12/47 = $22.73

Saturday: 1068.12/33 = $32.37

 

1B:

Weekday: 885.96/44 = $20.14

Saturday: 828/30 = $27.60

 

S90:

Weekday: 687.24/39 = $17.62

Saturday: 687.24/27 = $25.45

 

S35:

Weekday: 1048.25/41 = $25.57

 

10A:

Weekday: 1117.8/26 = $42.99

Saturday: 1076.4/18 = $59.80

 

S69:

Weekday: 185.47/24 = $7.73

Saturday: 185.47/17 = $10.91

 

10D/E:

Weekday: 736.92/12 = $61.41

 

S31:

Weekday: 289.8/8 = $36.23

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I calculated the cost per passenger for all of the SCT routes. I multiplied $99.36 by the number of revenue hours to get the cost per weekday/Saturday, and then divided by the ridership. (For the S1, those totals are for the month because it didn't occur to me to just use the daily numbers), but it works out anyway.

 

Where did you get the revenue hours from? And operating cost also depends on miles.

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Where did you get the revenue hours from? And operating cost also depends on miles.

 

It's a very crude way, but I added the number of hours run on each route. So for instance, if a route has a runtime of 1 hour, and has 10 runs per day, I multiplied 10 * 99.36 = 993.6, and then divided by the ridership. (If it was say, 50 minutes, I multiplied 5/6 by the number of runs, and for 45 I multiplied by 3/4 and so forth)

 

I know the cost also depends on the miles, but I think the amount of time is a larger factor (if it's slower, it probably has more stop-and-go, which uses more fuel and wear-and-tear, and also the driver gets paid by the hour). What am I supposed to do? Figure out the cost by distance and then try to average the two? Not happening.

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I see. So then it would be 6 riders per trip.

 

If thats what the numbers give you, then I would guess that right. I know when me and my family took the S69 many years ago the ridership was very light. (I remember when we had to take the second run, it was just us and the driver from Port Jeff Plaza to the mall)

 

I've been told in recent years that when SUNY Stony Brook is in session that there are more riders, I don't know if its true or not however.

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I'm working on calculating the exact number of hours of revenue service for each route, I'm about 60% of the way through the list.

 

So far a few weekday farebox recovery ratios:

 

-S1 53.9%

-S92 15.0%

-10DE 1.79%

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3D:

Weekday: 2351.52/624 = $3.77

Saturday: 2268.72/434 = $5.23

 

S60:

Weekday: 3361.68/609 = $5.52

Saturday: 3361.68/424 = $7.93

 

 

 

Part of the drop on those two routes on Saturdays is probably because SUNY Stony Brook offers off-campus buses on the weekends, which may or may not stop at the mall on Saturdays, so SUNY Students that live on campus have more opitions to get to the mall if wanted to go.

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Part of the drop on those two routes on Saturdays is probably because SUNY Stony Brook offers off-campus buses on the weekends, which may or may not stop at the mall on Saturdays, so SUNY Students that live on campus have more opitions to get to the mall if wanted to go.

 

I didn't get the data separately for Sat and weekday service. I just used the 2010 percentage for each of the routes to estimate.

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