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The route(s) you're mentioning from Sayville were run originally by Utility Lines. There was a Sayville-Ronkonkoma & a Patchogue-Centereach-Ronkonkoma(which was taken over, I believe by Holbrook Transp) which is pretty much today's S63 route bet. Patchogue & Smithaven.

 

Utility Lines also had a route from E. Islip to Central Islip (part of today's 3C route).

 

I was aware of all that (Hopefully that doesn't sound as rude as it sounds in my head), though I wasn't sure if the Patchouge-Centereach-Ronkonkoma route had been like that S63 or 7A.  

 

Any idea if the St.James-Lake Ronkonkoma Route was a separate route? 

 

Also unless it was was a summer time spur or like every other bus, the 1969 map had the Sayville route going right to the Lake. 

 

 

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I know everyone hates wikipedia(because anyone can edit) but according to the site, 1008, 1015 and 1019 are retired.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nassau_Inter-County_Express

Most of the people who edit that page are either members on here or members who have been banned from here (ie. A lot of the information that gets on there is sourced from members here). I don't edit Wikipedia myself.

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So sad the foothill buses are being retired at such a young age

 

The s58 and s62 are considered brother buses between SHMall and Riverhead i mean a fellow passenger can either take the s58 or the s62 to Riverhead and areas east of fresh pond road (where the s62 separates from the s58 and heads north to port jeff.)...i can see why the s62 is kept at Hauppauge also the s62 terminates at outer areas of the office buildings at commerce drive and Adams road which is quite close to oser ave/marcus Blvd (the weekend terminal of the s33) and quite close to the detour the s27 makes on weekends. ..i say if the s62 terminates in this area it should have a Saturday service from this terminal and omit the north complex Dennison building and NYS department building. ..go straight up nys 347 to SH mall..then again for this to happen it would need a major boost on the passenger count on the outer areas

 

But i would leave the s62 as it is also it is the plan B route to take to SH Mall after the s58 suffers a major stunning two hour gap right after the morning peak runs. ..years passes by and SCT don't fix that filling of that gap on the s58

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But i would leave the s62 as it is also it is the plan B route to take to SH Mall after the s58 suffers a major stunning two hour gap right after the morning peak runs. ..years passes by and SCT don't fix that filling of that gap on the s58

Under CBS Lines that use to be the start of the Drivers Lunch Breaks, whether that had something to do with why nothing was changed especially when who owned the routes were questioned I have no clue. 

 

 
Suffolk either didn't or doesn't feel like a change is needed or believes that a change wouldn't be cost effective.

 

The s58 and s62 are considered brother buses between SHMall and Riverhead

 

 

I still remember when the S58 extension to Riverhead was announced and it was rumored that the S58 was suppose to head up from Coram to Port Jefferson Sta and follow the S62. I was around 10 at the time and saw problems with that, like the cutting off of the Middle Island Stop as well as such a move would require the S58 to either follow the S60 or S61 up from Coram which really didn't make sense. 

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I was aware of all that (Hopefully that doesn't sound as rude as it sounds in my head), though I wasn't sure if the Patchouge-Centereach-Ronkonkoma route had been like that S63 or 7A.  

 

Any idea if the St.James-Lake Ronkonkoma Route was a separate route? 

 

Also unless it was was a summer time spur or like every other bus, the 1969 map had the Sayville route going right to the Lake. 

 

 

Have no knowledge of a route bet. Sayville & St. James.

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Lol, how do you know my name? I don't believe I've mentioned it to you before.

I've read through a lot of old threads here and happened to see it in a mention of some old Suffolk Transit website somewhere that took it from your Photobucket.

 

Can we move everything to the Random Thoughts Thread of Suffolk Transit now?

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How's the n20G/H and n21 doing? Is the whole thing working?

Not really working.

On my way to Casino Public Hearing, I got 10:00am n20G Great Neck #1910 and our connection was for 11:00 n20H Hicksville, but our bus got to Middle Neck Rd/Northern Blvd at 10:32, so we had to play Frogger across busy and dangerous Northern Blvd intersection to get on 10:30 n20H Hicksville #1877.

 

 

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I was on the n20G/H last week. Our bus was held up for 10 minutes (weekday) at Great Neck LIRR (on the n20G heading to Flushing) because the driver and a woman were fighting over the transfer, with the women claiming he had an attitude, and the calling the driver a racist pig, and then they exchanged words. The dispatcher was called over, and the driver was taken off the bus, for like 3 minutes. He left 2 minutes afterward, with two busloads of people. He was very pissed, skipping stops after Middle Neck Road, going fast, honking his horn a lot, almost closing the doors on the people at the front. Lol, that was one hell of a trip.

 

During off peak hours on weekdays, if on the n20H, transfer at Middle Neck Road, because if you can catch the bus there, that bus is usually not very full, because there isn't an n20H/n21 trip connecting to it.

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Not really working.

On my way to Casino Public Hearing, I got 10:00am n20G Great Neck #1910 and our connection was for 11:00 n20H Hicksville, but our bus got to Middle Neck Rd/Northern Blvd at 10:32, so we had to play Frogger across busy and dangerous Northern Blvd intersection to get on 10:30 n20H Hicksville #1877.

 

 

 

So how is this any different from the other transfers that people have to make that involve crossing a busy intersection? Aside from that, true to their word, you guys did save time by not having to go through the loop at Great Neck.

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So how is this any different from the other transfers that people have to make that involve crossing a busy intersection? Aside from that, true to their word, you guys did save time by not having to go through the loop at Great Neck.

Lots of n20 riders want their direct bus service back.

 

Yesterday, I was coming from event in Sayville and I was on 3:45pm S40 Babylon when I met elderly couples from Nassau County and they used to take n19, n73/74, n80/81 and their friend take n50 bus. They told me it takes them 3-hour just to get from Massapequa to Hicksville.

 

Also when I was at Mineola since I was early for meeting around 12pm, I met lady who used take Able-Ride and she doesn't ride Able-Ride and she told me Able-Ride drivers drive recklessly and she told me many Able-Ride B/O are speeding which is ADA violation. She had bumby ride all the way because Able-Ride drivers are turning first, speeding, etc.

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Do you guys think transfers should be timed at Middle Neck Road/Northern Blvd instead of at Great Neck LIRR? It would save riders more time, and there's a lot getting off at Great Neck. It could also even out loads on some n20G buses better.

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Do you guys think transfers should be timed at Middle Neck Road/Northern Blvd instead of at Great Neck LIRR? It would save riders more time, and there's a lot getting off at Great Neck. It could also even out loads on some n20G buses better.

All n20 Flushing riders who used to board east of Middle Neck Rd is now waiting on west side of Middle Neck Rd.

 

That's what I put on service change notice I made that transfer either at Middle Neck Rd/Northern Blvd or Great Neck Station for n20G+n20H, n20G+n21, etc.

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All n20 Flushing riders who used to board east of Middle Neck Rd is now waiting on west side of Middle Neck Rd.

 

That's what I put on service change notice I made that transfer either at Middle Neck Rd/Northern Blvd or Great Neck Station for n20G+n20H, n20G+n21, etc.

I'm talking about making Middle Neck Road the sole transfer point (rather than Great Neck LIRR). It would be more convenient to time the buses there. 

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1) I don't think FamousNYLover's video proved anything about either argument of the n20G/H change. It was probably the shakiest video I've ever seen as well.

 

2) I stand by the n20G/H still not being a good idea. Yes, you can save time if the connections match up transferring at Northern Blvd & Middle Neck Rd as opposed as going all the way to the train station. That's if the buses happen to be entering the intersection at the same or close to the same time and you can cross the street. You could have done that with the old NICE n20 as well since nothing ever ran on time during prime hours anyway. Otherwise, take into consideration the percentage of breakdowns, the time lost by consistent traffic lights, and the overall history of NICE, and this is still doomed to fail.

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Lots of n20 riders want their direct bus service back.

 

Yesterday, I was coming from event in Sayville and I was on 3:45pm S40 Babylon when I met elderly couples from Nassau County and they used to take n19, n73/74, n80/81 and their friend take n50 bus. They told me it takes them 3-hour just to get from Massapequa to Hicksville.

 

Also when I was at Mineola since I was early for meeting around 12pm, I met lady who used take Able-Ride and she doesn't ride Able-Ride and she told me Able-Ride drivers drive recklessly and she told me many Able-Ride B/O are speeding which is ADA violation. She had bumby ride all the way because Able-Ride drivers are turning first, speeding, etc.

 

And lots of n20 riders are benefitting from the more reliable service, but aren't being as vocal. The n20 is a fairly busy route, so "lots of people" are going to have lots of different opinions.

 

I'm talking about making Middle Neck Road the sole transfer point (rather than Great Neck LIRR). It would be more convenient to time the buses there. 

 

You mean cut the buses back from LIRR Great Neck? Wouldn't work, since you lose the connection to the LIRR itself, as well as to the n57/58 (and the shopping/residential district around the station). And where would you turn them around if not the LIRR station?

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You mean cut the buses back from LIRR Great Neck? Wouldn't work, since you lose the connection to the LIRR itself, as well as to the n57/58 (and the shopping/residential district around the station). And where would you turn them around if not the LIRR station?

It's NICE. Let them walk. Where to turn around? Have the buses turn around in that diner's parking lot or one of the 3 gas stations. Given the professionalism of NICE drivers, I'm sure they could all manuever the turn. :rolleyes:

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