FamousNYLover Posted February 9, 2014 Share #2376 Posted February 9, 2014 If the MTA was still running Long Is Bus,they would have had the N20/21 picking up at Bowne & 41 Ave, like they did in the past. They also would have signage at regular stop directing pass. there. Previous detour for n20/n21 was at Bowne St/Roosevelt Av after Veolia takeover. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted February 9, 2014 Share #2377 Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) If the MTA was still running Long Is Bus,they would have had the N20/21 picking up at Bowne & 41 Ave, like they did in the past. They also would have signage at regular stop directing pass. there. I'm not sure if NICE is allowed to pick up there. But I agree that NICE kinda messed up this detour. They could've at least tried to negotiate about picking up at Bowne&41. But regarding the signage: Bowne St is in Queens so NICE isn't allowed to put up any signage on their own. Edited February 9, 2014 by Vistausss 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted February 9, 2014 Share #2378 Posted February 9, 2014 I'm not sure if NICE is allowed to pick up there. But I agree that NICE kinda messed up this detour. They could've at least tried to negotiate about picking up at Bowne&41. But regarding the signage: Bowne St is in Queens so NICE isn't allowed to put up any signage on their own. Previsous detour bus stop for n20/n21 was at Bowne St/Roosevelt Av or 41st Av last two years during Snake and Mouse year. This time detour stops were unorganized including MTA service. Last year they had Bus Route #s were written on the papers including for n20/n21 after Veolia's takeover. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted February 9, 2014 Share #2379 Posted February 9, 2014 Oh, thanks Yuki. Apparently, both NICE and can do a better job at detours 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted February 10, 2014 Share #2380 Posted February 10, 2014 Download the NICE GTFS feed from their website and look at the stops.txt file. It's a list of all NICE bus stops in the system. http://nicebus.com/Passenger-Information/App-Developers.aspx Thank you. But I actually meant a per route list. Still nice to have this though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted February 10, 2014 Share #2381 Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) Oh, in case anyone missed it, our Pine w/ Power was featured on NICE's Instagram today: Roosevelt Field on a snowy Sunday night - http://instagram.com/p/kOIt2ulMc7/# Awesome shot, PP! Edited February 10, 2014 by Vistausss 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted February 12, 2014 Share #2382 Posted February 12, 2014 Is the bus going to packed that day during the rush? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted February 13, 2014 Share #2383 Posted February 13, 2014 Just a heads-up: there are a few detours, namely on the n27 (no Roslyn LIRR), n25/n26 and n23. But also: #NICEALERT Please expect systemwide delays of 30-40min due to weather conditions 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted February 13, 2014 Share #2384 Posted February 13, 2014 (edited) The n17 could really use more stops b/w Mercy MC and Rockville Centre. It's a beautiful route and I would die to live there but seeing the many miles b/w the stops... wow, I'd need a car to drive to the next bus stop. Edited February 13, 2014 by Vistausss 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY1635 Posted February 14, 2014 Share #2385 Posted February 14, 2014 The n17 could really use more stops b/w Mercy MC and Rockville Centre. It's a beautiful route and I would die to live there but seeing the many miles b/w the stops... wow, I'd need a car to drive to the next bus stop. I might be wrong, but the few stops on the n17 between Mercy Medical Center and Rockville Center might have something to do with N.Village Ave running parallel to Peninsula Blvd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted February 14, 2014 Share #2386 Posted February 14, 2014 The n17 could really use more stops b/w Mercy MC and Rockville Centre. It's a beautiful route and I would die to live there but seeing the many miles b/w the stops... wow, I'd need a car to drive to the next bus stop. LMAO welcome to Nassau County! Actually don't worry about buying a car just have a friend or significant other drive you to the bus stop, and make sure you wait for until the last possible minute so the bus pulls out of your spot, follow it until you can get in front of it, put on your hazard lights, cut in front of the bus, slam on your brakes (forcing the bus to stop), you get on, whalla the Nassau County way... lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted February 14, 2014 Share #2387 Posted February 14, 2014 (edited) I might be wrong, but the few stops on the n17 between Mercy Medical Center and Rockville Center might have something to do with N.Village Ave running parallel to Peninsula Blvd. Oh, so there are more stops nearby, like, walking distance? If that's really the case, then ignore my previous post LMAO welcome to Nassau County! Actually don't worry about buying a car just have a friend or significant other drive you to the bus stop, and make sure you wait for until the last possible minute so the bus pulls out of your spot, follow it until you can get in front of it, put on your hazard lights, cut in front of the bus, slam on your brakes (forcing the bus to stop), you get on, whalla the Nassau County way... lol Well, it's not like that in all of Nassau County. I've seen on-board videos of NICE in Nassau County (so not the Queens part) where there's a bus stop every block. If you live in b/w them you can choose whichever one you wanna walk to lol. And even then it's like a 2 min walk max. Edited February 14, 2014 by Vistausss 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted February 15, 2014 Share #2388 Posted February 15, 2014 Well, it's not like that in all of Nassau County. I've seen on-board videos of NICE in Nassau County (so not the Queens part) where there's a bus stop every block. If you live in b/w them you can choose whichever one you wanna walk to lol. And even then it's like a 2 min walk max. I was joking, I ride both NICE and SCT and it seems people get a ride and I dont't want to say "a lot" but "I often" see people getting rides and the person giving the rides just cuts off the bus, slows to a stop, and the person gets on.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted February 15, 2014 Share #2389 Posted February 15, 2014 The n17 could really use more stops b/w Mercy MC and Rockville Centre. It's a beautiful route and I would die to live there but seeing the many miles b/w the stops... wow, I'd need a car to drive to the next bus stop. Actually there are some NICE riders get to specific bus stop by cars or taxis. When I was at SUNY Old Westbury, Oyster Bay Taxi drops off his passengers on n20 bus stop. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted February 15, 2014 Share #2390 Posted February 15, 2014 But Oyster Bay doesn't have any bus service whereas the n17 does so that's apples to oranges. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTA Bus Posted February 16, 2014 Share #2391 Posted February 16, 2014 For the next bus order, i have a feeling that NICE will order some Gillig CNGs, seeing as though they are too poor to order New Flyers, unless the MTA steps in and pays for some XN40s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo19 Posted February 16, 2014 Share #2392 Posted February 16, 2014 For the next bus order, i have a feeling that NICE will order some Gillig CNGs, seeing as though they are too poor to order New Flyers, unless the MTA steps in and pays for some XN40s.Not necessarily. If NICE is interested in purchasing New Flyer products as some have mentioned there is the possibility of direct negotiations rather than issuing a competitive RFP. And if a RFP is still issued New Flyer may still be the most compliant to the criteria NICE has set. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted February 16, 2014 Share #2393 Posted February 16, 2014 NICE brought back all the local stops that were on the original n17 under the . If there isn't a bus stop at a desired location, some drivers still let passengers off. It's not like the route is crowded where it disrupts any timing or anything like that. If you want more official stops added to the route, talk to NICE. Actually, some stops south of Mercy weren't restored (there's some on N.Village Avenue that have no stops, however, if you like extremely closely, you'll see the stops hidden behind the trees on the side closer to Peninsula). For the next bus order, i have a feeling that NICE will order some Gillig CNGs, seeing as though they are too poor to order New Flyers, unless the MTA steps in and pays for some XN40s. That is not happening at all, I assure you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted February 16, 2014 Share #2394 Posted February 16, 2014 (edited) For the next bus order, i have a feeling that NICE will order some Gillig CNGs, seeing as though they are too poor to order New Flyers, unless the MTA steps in and pays for some XN40s. Are you forgetting that NICE has a successfull company behind them called Transdev? Transdev does invest in NICE and they can always ask Transdev for some extra investment. And as someone who occasionally works with Transdev, I can assure that will happen. So maybe they will go for New Flyers. Edited February 16, 2014 by Vistausss 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missabassie Posted February 16, 2014 Share #2395 Posted February 16, 2014 No gilligs please... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion VII 4 Life Posted February 16, 2014 Share #2396 Posted February 16, 2014 We're forgetting... New Flyer owns NABI and can probably offer up 40LFWs for less than XN40s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted February 16, 2014 Share #2397 Posted February 16, 2014 It doesn't really matter what offer there's gonna be. If NICE asks Transdev for some extra investment for buses, there's gonna be more money anyway. Hopefully they'll choose Xcelsiors, New Flyer's Xcelsiors are among my top 5 favorite buses! When's the bid gonna be up anyway? I mean: I'm guessing none of you don't have an exact date but some estimation? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted February 16, 2014 Share #2398 Posted February 16, 2014 Just a heads up for anyone riding or planning on riding the n19... I just saw on news12 that a tanker truck carrying home heating oil aught fire on Merrick rd in Massapequa in front of St. Rose church, I would expect a detour somewhere Lakeshore BLVD and Park Blvd on Massapequa. It took hours took about 2 hours to put the fire out, residents were evacuated and just allowed back in the area. Officials say they are now waiting on a crew to clean up the mess. In addition to a detour I would expect delays on n19.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted February 16, 2014 Share #2399 Posted February 16, 2014 For the next bus order, i have a feeling that NICE will order some Gillig CNGs, seeing as though they are too poor to order New Flyers, unless the MTA steps in and pays for some XN40s. The MTA has nothing to do with NICE, they handled the contract for decades and now Veolia runs the system. The MTA stepping in to offer funds would make as much sense as SCT in Suffolk County or RGRTA up in Rochester stepping in to offer funds. Are you forgetting that NICE has a successfull company behind them called Transdev? Transdev does invest in NICE and they can always ask Transdev for some extra investment. And as someone who occasionally works with Transdev, I can assure that will happen. So maybe they will go for New Flyers. 80% of the funds will come from state/federal funding and 20% comes from the municipality, in this case Nassau County... Nassau County would be the owners of the buses, cut and dry... I don't think Gilligs would perform well in the NICE system plus there's got to be a reason why the didn't buy them. This is a similar system to the one for buses. I'm sure New Flyer, knowing the neighboring system, would bid low enough for NICE to accept them. I think the reason Nassau has an all ORION fleet is the same reason there are no Gillig's in the fleet, geography. Orion was located up near Utica, NY and Gillig is located on the other side of the Country. Besides, I think there was some sort of "buy NY" incentive offered, because I always remember schumer sticking his in the press talking about upstate workers building a bus for a downstate system. blah blah blah... With Gilligyou are talking about a 3,000 mile trip (an extra 3,000 on the odometer) and at least $6,000 to $9,000 in delivery expenses per bus with 40 buses that's $240,000 to $360,000 just for delivery. Compare this to Orion in Oriskany, NY, less than 300 miles away, your talking 10% the cost for delivery. Now for everyone saying NICE can't "afford" New Flyer, for the money allocated for new buses it comes out to about $400,000 per bus, which if you look at recent New Flyer orders it comes out to about $400,000 per bus. The last NICE order was spec'd buses and if they do the same orders stripped down buses. Believe me some places order buses with all the "bells and whistles" where the orders the bare bones. Speaking of the Veolia and the have a good working relationship, just ordered 276 Xcelsior buses, I wouldn't be surprised at all if NICE hammered out a deal to by some of those buses, NEw Flyer builds some in that order for NICE, or NICE excercizes an option for buses the MTA has on "order." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted February 16, 2014 Share #2400 Posted February 16, 2014 I forgot about the stripping down. Yeah, of course they could order barebones buses. It's very common around the world to either go barebones or (almost) full-fletched so that won't be any different in and around NYC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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