r42rida Posted April 25, 2012 Share #101 Posted April 25, 2012 They should make Far Rockaway depot an all express garage put all the spring creek bus lines and make it one Depot. Use the Spring Creek Building as a training facilitie like Zerega in the bronx. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY1635 Posted April 25, 2012 Share #102 Posted April 25, 2012 Q21: Rush Hour Service to Far Rockaway- Mott Avenue Station Q54 and Q56: Terminate at the 165th Terminal. Trips to Jamaica and 170th eliminated 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted April 25, 2012 Share #103 Posted April 25, 2012 Q21: Rush Hour Service to Far Rockaway- Mott Avenue Station Q54 and Q56: Terminate at the 165th Terminal. Trips to Jamaica and 170th eliminated The Q54 and Q56 cant terminate at 165st because it will make the terminal crowded so ill be better if it was left where it was 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted April 25, 2012 Share #104 Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) They should make Far Rockaway depot an all express garage put all the spring creek bus lines and make it one Depot. Use the Spring Creek Building as a training facilitie like Zerega in the bronx. No leave it like it is because for the B100 and B103 and BM1-5 it is a long distance from Far Rockaway Depot Edited April 25, 2012 by College Pt Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transit bx Posted April 26, 2012 Share #105 Posted April 26, 2012 Im on the Q53, all have to say is either they put more buses out or put artics on that line. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted April 26, 2012 Share #106 Posted April 26, 2012 The Q54 and Q56 cant terminate at 165st because it will make the terminal crowded so ill be better if it was left where it was yes, that.... ....and even I was somewhat amazed at how many ppl. use the WB Q54/56 over there..... For either reason, I concur.... may as well leave both those routes over at 170th.... Im on the Q53, all have to say is either they put more buses out or put artics on that line. May not be necessary now that they're coming out w/ this Q52..... Before the fact, yes, I would agree..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted April 26, 2012 Share #107 Posted April 26, 2012 (edited) They should make Far Rockaway depot an all express garage put all the spring creek bus lines and make it one Depot. Use the Spring Creek Building as a training facilitie like Zerega in the bronx. Uh, what? First of all it's not that simple. And what about buses in Brooklyn like the B100,103, BM1-5? Are you expecting these bus routes to add extra miles to deadhead to Far Rockaway just because that's where all the buses should go? And that'd be way too many buses for one depot to handle. Like someone else said, leave it as is. Edited April 26, 2012 by Grand Concourse 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted April 26, 2012 Share #108 Posted April 26, 2012 My attempt to do a bit of an overhaul for Queens. Mostly new routes, and I restructured Springfield Bl service. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Aw6gHmJrjU2Vp4kT_UY6mMPUDY8ec51zPB12Cyvca2g/edit Q14: Jamaica, 165 Street Bus Terminal Fort Totten Via 188 Street, Utopia Parkway Q26: Current route re-designated Q107. Q26 A/B: Broadway Junction OR Ridgewood Terminal Green Acres Mall. A buses go via JFK Airport. Via Conduit Avenue/Boulevard. Q27: Flushing, Main Street Rosedale, Francis Lewis Boulevard (LTD) Q42: Ridgewood Terminal LGA, Main Terminal Via Cooper Avenue Q57: Flushing, Main Street Green Acres Mall (LTD to Queens CC, then SBS.) Q68: Jamaica, Merrick Road OR Cross Bay Boulevard/Liberty Avenue Broadway Junction, East NY Avenue Via Liberty Avenue (NEW, LTD) Q99: Williamsburg Bridge Plaza Astoria, 18 Street Q109: Flushing, Main Street College Point Loop Via College Point Blvd, 14 Avenue, and Parsons Blvd. The Q25, & Q65 College Point legs get reduced serivce. The Q20B is eliminated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted April 26, 2012 Share #109 Posted April 26, 2012 (edited) Well 130 street would have local service to Jamaica and Limited-Stop Service to Kew. Gardens. If anything to maintain any connections maybe Q9 can go to LIRR AIRTRAIN via Rockaway Blvd and Lefferts to the station, then maybe if there is demand to go to the Airport, meaning Q10 service (Local ALL)go via 130 Street. The Q10 would only have only one branch instead of two. Shoturns is over, and Pan Am Trips either turn into Q9 trips or rerouted to 130 street and stay a Q10 Local. Q10 Limiteds would be unchanged or be more frequent. There is something called the airport shuttles.....gotta learn to use them. That is what makes all sorts of varying connections possible! Also, the reason there is a Q10 branch to 150th-130th (which is local already) is to serve the more suburban-ish areas. Again, what you fail to realize is that there is the Q37 nearby! As for the Q9....the Q10 150th-130th branch is two blocks from the Q9 so that's pretty moot right there. We already have the Q6 going to the Cargo Area which connects to the PANYNJ Shuttles that makes all major connections in the airport. Edited April 26, 2012 by Cait Sith 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted April 26, 2012 Share #110 Posted April 26, 2012 My attempt to do a bit of an overhaul for Queens. Mostly new routes, and I restructured Springfield Bl service. https://docs.google....B12Cyvca2g/edit Q14: Jamaica, 165 Street Bus Terminal Fort Totten Via 188 Street, Utopia Parkway This route would have no service. The Q17 is on 188st and the reason why the Q31 is not running on weekends was because the service on Utopia was low Q26: Current route re-designated Q107. Why?? Whats wrong with it's current name? Q26 A/B: Broadway Junction OR Ridgewood Terminal Green Acres Mall. A buses go via JFK Airport. Via Conduit Avenue/Boulevard. Dream on buddy, just dream on Q27: Flushing, Main Street Rosedale, Francis Lewis Boulevard (LTD) Could work, they were trying to do that before. Q42: Ridgewood Terminal LGA, Main Terminal Via Cooper Avenue So you are going to leave current Q42 riders stranded Q57: Flushing, Main Street Green Acres Mall (LTD to Queens CC, then SBS.) ??? Dream On??? Q68: Jamaica, Merrick Road OR Cross Bay Boulevard/Liberty Avenue Broadway Junction, East NY Avenue Via Liberty Avenue (NEW, LTD) You know even with Limited that's going to be at least 2 hours. Q99: Williamsburg Bridge Plaza Astoria, 18 Street I don't know about this one but people can take the G train or B62 and transfer to the Q102 or Q103 Q109: Flushing, Main Street College Point Loop Via College Point Blvd, 14 Avenue, and Parsons Blvd. No ridership. Doesn't even connect to the 7 train to even make it questionable to propose. The Q25, & Q65 College Point legs get reduced serivce. The Q20B is eliminated. I always thought the Q20B should either just get eliminated or serve Queens College in place for the eliminated Q74 service. What is up with all these route going all around the world. Replies in purple. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted April 26, 2012 Share #111 Posted April 26, 2012 What is up with all these route going all around the world. Replies in purple. College Pt keep in mind threxx is a 12 year old kid in middle(Jr. High)school. So i assume the mastermind in threxx lol is creating these ideas from a map. Seriously some of his local Brooklyn routes(where he lives is) is much more realstic to create than Queens. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted April 26, 2012 Share #112 Posted April 26, 2012 My attempt to do a bit of an overhaul for Queens. Mostly new routes, and I restructured Springfield Bl service. https://docs.google....B12Cyvca2g/edit Q14: Jamaica, 165 Street Bus Terminal Fort Totten Via 188 Street, Utopia Parkway Q26: Current route re-designated Q107. Q26 A/B: Broadway Junction OR Ridgewood Terminal Green Acres Mall. A buses go via JFK Airport. Via Conduit Avenue/Boulevard. Q27: Flushing, Main Street Rosedale, Francis Lewis Boulevard (LTD) Q42: Ridgewood Terminal LGA, Main Terminal Via Cooper Avenue Q57: Flushing, Main Street Green Acres Mall (LTD to Queens CC, then SBS.) Q68: Jamaica, Merrick Road OR Cross Bay Boulevard/Liberty Avenue Broadway Junction, East NY Avenue Via Liberty Avenue (NEW, LTD) Q99: Williamsburg Bridge Plaza Astoria, 18 Street Q109: Flushing, Main Street College Point Loop Via College Point Blvd, 14 Avenue, and Parsons Blvd. The Q25, & Q65 College Point legs get reduced serivce. The Q20B is eliminated. We know you don't take criticism all too well (despite your repeated apologies), but I'll still chime in on this..... More for those that wanna get a general glimpse of how bus usage is currently in the areas these ideas are being suggested to serve, more than anything...... "Q14": This resembles an altered Q31... I don't care much for the current Q31 terminal on Francis Lewis either, but the reason it doesn't run straight on Utopia pkwy partly (hell, I'd stop to say mainly) because Bayside H.S. is on corporal kennedy & 32nd av (which is exactly why I would end Q31's alongside the park on 32nd av)...... You have a route run along as much of utopia pkwy as you're conveying & you will watch it carry air.... College pt. man is spot on with that..... All you have to do is note the usage of the current Q16 up there & that would solidify that point perfectly...... "Q26a/b": Virtually no one's gonna ride clear across Queens (or from other neighboring areas around Ridgewood or B'way Junction) on a local bus to get to Green Acres.... This is much worse than the infamous idea of extending the Q7 over there..... Checkmate can argue coverage all he likes (regarding the Q7 along the conduits), but this is why I say every noticable gap that exists don't need to have a bus route running along it.... "Q27": The full route is long enough as it is..... So I don't agree with any further extension of that route; not to Merrick Blvd (which the MTA flirted with back in '08/'09), not to Rosedale (as you are suggesting) , and not to Green acres (as a few people have suggested in the past).... Q42: Way to screw Addesleigh Park residents..... Unless you chose that number because you didn't think a Q42 already existed..... "Q57": From Flushing to Green acres? Too indirect, no matter what routing you'd draw up for it..... What need is there to connect the two areas with one bus route anyway; and spare me the recycled "some riders might benefit from it, you never know" type of response either..... "Q68": That would fail for the same reason the old Q89 did - It is all about getting to the heart of Jamaica, Queens, in SE Queens.... Having a route run across Liberty is far too redundant to the , the Q112 & the Q83.... If the B12 got cut off serving Liberty av on the Brooklyn side, what good would it do to have some ridiculously long ass route coming all the way from Merrick road (which is in Nassau county) to Broadway junction - When very few people rode the B12 along that same part of Liberty long before they decided to truncate that route? It's the same general reason why I don't agree with extending the Q112 (as shortline suggests) over to Broadway junction either..... "Q99": Could work, but would depend on how it's routed.... "Q109"/Q25/Q65/Q20b: What you're suggesting here would exacerbate matters, simply for the sake of keeping bus service on 14th av..... Get rid of the Q20b & dedicate that service to the 20a and be done with it..... Furthermore, there isn't anymore terminal space within the heart of Flushing as it is.... yet you want to reduce service on the Q25 & Q65 north of Flushing to justify the running of some loop??? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted April 26, 2012 Share #113 Posted April 26, 2012 What he said didn't make sense. A loop in college Pt. Thats just a waste of time and money, the Q20A/B and Q25 and Q65 already serve all of college pt. Reduce service after flushing are you kidding me. The Q25 and Q65 get crowed after flushing so reducing service will only make it worst. If you never seen service on a route don't talk about it especially if you don't ride the route daily. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted April 26, 2012 Share #114 Posted April 26, 2012 (edited) The software is being an ***hole, so I'll re-post this. Edited April 26, 2012 by ThrexxBus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted April 26, 2012 Share #115 Posted April 26, 2012 We know you don't take criticism all too well (despite your repeated apologies), but I'll still chime in on this..... More for those that wanna get a general glimpse of how bus usage is currently in the areas these ideas are being suggested to serve, more than anything...... I do. And who's we? "Q14": This resembles an altered Q31... I don't care much for the current Q31 terminal on Francis Lewis either, but the reason it doesn't run straight on Utopia pkwy partly (hell, I'd stop to say mainly) because Bayside H.S. is on corporal kennedy & 32nd av (which is exactly why I would end Q31's alongside the park on 32nd av)...... You have a route run along as much of utopia pkwy as you're conveying & you will watch it carry air.... College pt. man is spot on with that..... All you have to do is note the usage of the current Q16 up there & that would solidify that point perfectly..... Borderline fantasy. "Q26a/b": Virtually no one's gonna ride clear across Queens (or from other neighboring areas around Ridgewood or B'way Junction) on a local bus to get to Green Acres.... This is much worse than the infamous idea of extending the Q7 over there..... Checkmate can argue coverage all he likes (regarding the Q7 along the conduits), but this is why I say every noticable gap that exists don't need to have a bus route running along it.... LTD service on this route. "Q27": The full route is long enough as it is..... So I don't agree with any further extension of that route; not to Merrick Blvd (which the MTA flirted with back in '08/'09), not to Rosedale (as you are suggesting) , and not to Green acres (as a few people have suggested in the past).... See Q57. Q42: Way to screw Addesleigh Park residents..... Unless you chose that number because you didn't think a Q42 already existed..... I forgot about current Q42. I'll redesignate it as something. "Q57": From Flushing to Green acres? Too indirect, no matter what routing you'd draw up for it..... What need is there to connect the two areas with one bus route anyway; and spare me the recycled "some riders might benefit from it, you never know" type of response either..... The Q57's main purpose is to help the overcrowded Q27. I don't expect people to ride so far. Same criticism with my B50 in the Brooklyn thread. The Q27 extention is to supplement Rosedale service. "Q68": That would fail for the same reason the old Q89 did - It is all about getting to the heart of Jamaica, Queens, in SE Queens.... Having a route run across Liberty is far too redundant to the , the Q112 & the Q83.... If the B12 got cut off serving Liberty av on the Brooklyn side, what good would it do to have some ridiculously long ass route coming all the way from Merrick road (which is in Nassau county) to Broadway junction - When very few people rode the B12 along that same part of Liberty long before they decided to truncate that route? It's the same general reason why I don't agree with extending the Q112 (as shortline suggests) over to Broadway junction either..... "Q99": Could work, but would depend on how it's routed... Basically via 51 & Maurice Avenues. "Q109"/Q25/Q65/Q20b: What you're suggesting here would exacerbate matters, simply for the sake of keeping bus service on 14th av..... Get rid of the Q20b & dedicate that service to the 20a and be done with it..... Kinda fantasy. I don't see the need for so many routes up there. Furthermore, there isn't anymore terminal space within the heart of Flushing as it is.... yet you want to reduce service on the Q25 & Q65 north of Flushing to justify the running of some loop?? How do you justify artics on the Q44 then? Replies in red. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted April 26, 2012 Share #116 Posted April 26, 2012 (edited) Replies in red. - I do. And who's we? For starters, think back to who you apologized to, of those of us that have expressed how irrational some of your ideas are.... Let's not sit here & play dumb... - LTD service on this route. Having a route run LTD is not justification alone to have some long drawn out route run between two points..... - I don't expect people to ride so far..... ....The Q27 extention is to supplement Rosedale service. If that's your only reasoning, then it shouldn't travel down there at all... Either way, it's wasted mileage... - I don't see the need for so many routes up there. Yeah, you don't.... However, the actual residents up there do... These are the people that utilize the Q20a, Q25, and Q65 up there in College Point on a daily, consistent basis.... And in quite the numbers at that, so if it aint broke, don't fix it..... - How do you justify artics on the Q44 then? What does this have to do with the tea in china.... I'm talkin about lack of terminal space in Flushing, and you're telling me about artics on the Q44..... What is wrong with you.... Edited April 26, 2012 by B35 via Church 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted April 26, 2012 Share #117 Posted April 26, 2012 (edited) Oh, I meant Merrick Blvd for the Q68, not Merrick Road. - I do. And who's we? For starters, think back to who you apologized to, of those of us that have expressed how irrational some of your ideas are.... Let's not sit here & play dumb... - LTD service on this route. Having a route run LTD is not justification alone to have some long drawn out route run between two points..... - I don't expect people to ride so far..... ....The Q27 extention is to supplement Rosedale service. If that's your only reasoning, then it shouldn't travel down there at all... Either way, it's wasted mileage... - I don't see the need for so many routes up there. Yeah, you don't.... However, the actual residents up there do... These are the people that utilize the Q20a, Q25, and Q65 up there in College Point on a daily, consistent basis.... And in quite the numbers at that, so if it aint broke, don't fix it..... - How do you justify artics on the Q44 then? What does this have to do with the tea in china.... I'm talkin about lack of terminal space in Flushing, and you're telling me about artics on the Q44..... What is wrong with you.... If there is so little space, terminal or not, in Flushing, then how can artics get through there? That's the point. The loop is borderline fantasy anyway. And if you're talking about the incident in the Brooklyn thread, remember the source of that... Edited April 26, 2012 by ThrexxBus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted April 26, 2012 Share #118 Posted April 26, 2012 (edited) If there is so little space, terminal or not, in Flushing, then how can artics get through there? That's the point. The loop is borderline fantasy anyway. And if you're talking about the incident in the Brooklyn thread, remember the source of that... - Don't start bringing up a strawman argument to dance around a point you can't rebut.... The buses driving along the streets that they do in Flushing, and where the buses are actually park on layover are two different issues..... Never said squat about the former.... I specifically mentioned the latter (i.e. Terminal Space)...... What is it about that don't you get ? - I love how you diminish your ideas as just fantasy when someone makes a critique you have no answer for..... - Whatever "incident" you're referring to right now, I don't know off top, nor do I care enough to go back in that thread to bother checking out..... Edited April 26, 2012 by B35 via Church 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted April 26, 2012 Share #119 Posted April 26, 2012 - Whatever "incident" you're referring to right now, I don't know off top, nor do I care enough to go back in that thread to bother checking out..... Don't bother. I'm not a Queens person, but I have real confidence in the Q99. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted April 26, 2012 Share #120 Posted April 26, 2012 (edited) I'm only touching routes I know Q1: Retain Q3: Some increased headways rush-hours Q4: Nothing much we can do Q5: Some Green Acers Limited-Stop Service Q6: Retain Q7: Extend Some trips to Van Wyck and Conduit or Guy.R Brewer and Baisley Blvd. Q7 then can be based more out of Baisley Q8: Retain Q11: Add extra service dear lord. I hate being flagged by 4-5 buses at the 66th Avenue Stop towards QCM Q12: Retain q13: Retain Q14: Renamed from Q15A Q15A: Renamed Q14 Q16: I honestly think the Utopia Avenue Branch should be called something else Q17: Retain Q18: Send several buses to Glendale during rush hours, since buses can easily flag me at the Queens Blvd bus stop. These buses would operate regular route until Woodside/65 PL, then Woodside Avenue, and Q47 route to Glendale Q20: Add extra flushing trips from Jamaica at 8:07 AM and 5:55 PM to relieve overcrowding from other buses rush hours Q21: Last Stop should be on the mainland honestly. When I fanned on Jan 8, I was the only one on the bus, and it was the8:30 Bus Q23: Some buses can go either express to 71 Avenue from LIE during rush hours or some can run limited stop service along 108 Street Q29/Q49: Merged with and connected by Roosevelt Avenue. Bus would operate Q49 route, Roosevelt Avenue to 82 street, than Q29 route at 82 street, and vice-virsa. The route will be called Q49. Q38: Eliminated. Unless CP maintains this bus better. Today 5 Edited April 27, 2012 by Q23 Central Term 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtatransit Posted April 27, 2012 Share #121 Posted April 27, 2012 This is what I would do. (Q1-Q29) Q1-Q6 unchanged Q7- Extend it into the airport Q8 unchanged Q9 Possibly extend it to the q37 terminal Q10-Q18 unchanged Q19 have some service go to LGA airport via 94st and sending it down to flushing by the Q48 route (q48 eliminate) Q20A unchanged Q20B have it operate via Queens college (old q74 route) and keep it going to Jamaica on main st and college PT Q22-Q24 unchanged Q25 have running every 3-5 minutes while LTD is 10 mins Q26 eliminate Q27 is nearby. Q28- last stop at Roosevelt Ave Q29 extend to 74st station Do you think its a idea to extend the Q29 0n broadway instead of Roosevelt 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtatransit Posted April 27, 2012 Share #122 Posted April 27, 2012 Q66 needs a LTD service and can replace half of current LIC bus if budget is the case. The stops are Flushing 108 st,103,junction,90,82,73,69,Broadway,35 Av and all stop to LIC And Q5 really need LTD service to Green Acres 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted April 27, 2012 Share #123 Posted April 27, 2012 Don't bother. I'm not a Queens person, but I have real confidence in the Q99. Before you go telling your ideas study the MTA maps and see what is possible and what isn't. Look on youtube for videos on the MTA buses and you'll see how they are utilized. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted April 27, 2012 Share #124 Posted April 27, 2012 My attempt to do a bit of an overhaul for Queens. Mostly new routes, and I restructured Springfield Bl service. https://docs.google....B12Cyvca2g/edit Q14: Jamaica, 165 Street Bus Terminal Fort Totten Via 188 Street, Utopia Parkway Q27: Flushing, Main Street Rosedale, Francis Lewis Boulevard (LTD) Q57: Flushing, Main Street Green Acres Mall (LTD to Queens CC, then SBS.) Q109: Flushing, Main Street College Point Loop Via College Point Blvd, 14 Avenue, and Parsons Blvd. The Q25, & Q65 College Point legs get reduced serivce. The Q20B is eliminated. Q14 : There is no such demand for such a route in Jamaica, plain & simple. Q27 : The LIMITED is long enough as it is, the local is even a bigger pain. Making the route longer just causes more problems. Q57 : Very indirect and pointless. There is no demand for folks going to Green Acres from Flushing at all. Plus it's going to be way too long. Q68 : Pretty redundant to the already running Q41 and Q112.... Q109 : Have you ever been to College Point? If so, you'd know that you can't really loop around College Point.... Now for my main issue with your ideas, the Q25/Q65. I can tell by these ideas that you've never checked out the areas in question or the routes in question. The Q25 & Q65 are two of the most busiest routes in Flushing and buses going to College Point are PACKED! Reducing service on both those routes = even worse service for them. You'd have those folks coming at you with pitchforks and torches.... Like I said in the Manhattan Bus Thread, folks gotta stop looking at maps and check out the areas as a whole. If there is so little space, terminal or not, in Flushing, then how can artics get through there? That's the point. The Q44 has it easier than the other routes since it just goes through Main Street, so artics wouldn't be much of an issue going through Flushing....plus he was talking about terminal space, as in where buses end and start in Flushing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkerX Posted April 27, 2012 Share #125 Posted April 27, 2012 Throwing this out there to see if it gets a pop: Extend the Q19 to 125-Park Ave? Not all runs have to 125th - Park ave but sending some could help the M60 crossing the Triboro. From 31st & Astoria cross Triboro and stops the M35 stops on 126th and 124th St. Last stop & layover would be near side 126th St & Park Ave. First stop would be at the M98 Stop on Park Ave - 125th St. Stops on Lexington ave at 124th & 126th could be establish as needed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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