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6 hours ago, Eric B said:

Welcome to the "Cipher Zone"! (imagine having to use that to get to Jamaica when both the (L) and (J) are out!)
(So-called, because it feels like all the buses to Queens are like this; like the 58 being so slow, and still bunched up even with the LTD, and then similarly stopping short of the main part of Flushing, and the 54, once you get to it, made slower by the detour to Atlas, and the 39 being so torturously long, and they continued to add new kinks to it, like when streets are made one way. And no direct access to Jackson Heights or Forest Hills at all).

Funny you say that because a few weeks ago that’s exactly what happened.  The (J) was cut back once again to Broadway Junction because of track replacement so I decided to take the Q56 from Jamaica/Parsons to Myrtle for the Q55. I could have taken the (E) to the shuttle bus but honestly I don’t like that we have to do that. The (E) has its moments where it’s delayed and I wish the shuttle bus could run to at least Sutphin Blvd/Archer Av, just to avoid having to make an extra transfer for just one stop. There has been times where the (E) took 10 to 15 mins to come and the shuttle bus could have already been to Sutphin/Archer, but I guess this is the (MTA) trying to save all the money they can get. 

Anyways I get off and wait for the Q55 at Myrtle & Hillside Ave. I checked the transit app and I noticed a bus was all the down by Myrtle & Forest Ave, but no other bus was heading to Ridgewood terminal. I checked for the next bus to Jamaica & 117th street and it was a good 22 minutes away. So it was apparent to me that a bus was either super late or completely missing, which honestly is no surprise to me because it’s happened to me several times. So I ended up having to take the shuttle bus all the way to Broadway Junction and then wait 10 minutes for the (L) because the partial shutdown had just started so (L) service was reduced. 

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41 minutes ago, B35 via Church said:

I'm not concurring with running Q12's to LIRR Great Neck at all, but mistimed connections is a poor reason to not send a bus route somewhere, if there's a demand for it..... 

You said it better than I could.

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6 hours ago, Eric B said:

Welcome to the "Cipher Zone"! (imagine having to use that to get to Jamaica when both the (L) and (J) are out!)
(So-called, because it feels like all the buses to Queens are like this; like the 58 being so slow, and still bunched up even with the LTD, and then similarly stopping short of the main part of Flushing, and the 54, once you get to it, made slower by the detour to Atlas, and the 39 being so torturously long, and they continued to add new kinks to it, like when streets are made one way. And no direct access to Jackson Heights or Forest Hills at all).

........ The whole Queens Division is like this 

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6 hours ago, Future ENY OP said:

The only interline I know for the 55 is Ridgewood 

i could be wrong, but i believe that the Q55 does strictly swing (relief) interlines at Ridgewood Terminal with the 26, 52 & B54. 

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1 hour ago, EastFlatbushLarry said:

i could be wrong, but i believe that the Q55 does strictly swing (relief) interlines at Ridgewood Terminal with the 26, 52 & B54. 

Gotchu good sir. 

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21 hours ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

I also would agree to extend the Q55 to Jamaica Van Wyck, I always felt like it just dead end stops at Jamaica Ave and 117th and should at least have a connection to the (E) 

 

It ends there now because the Myrtle Avenue streetcar ended there 100 years ago.

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16 hours ago, Gotham Bus Co. said:

 

It ends there now because the Myrtle Avenue streetcar ended there 100 years ago.

I think it just goes to show how outdated the Queens bus network is. 

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8 minutes ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

I think it just goes to show how outdated the Queens bus network is. 

This says something about bus planning (or lack thereof) in this city:

On June 27, 1999, the Q44 began limited-stop service in Queens, with the Q20 split into two branches (Q20A and Q20B) to provide local service. Weekend service was also restored on the Q20A. Since the Q44 became limited, the Q20 was extended south along Main Street to make local stops. At this time, the Q44 was shifted from its historical route in the neighborhood of Briarwood between Union Turnpike and Hillside Avenue. It had previously turned east onto the Grand Central Parkway service road and then turned south onto 150th Street towards Jamaica, the same route employed since 1938 when Main Street dead-ended at the Grand Central service road.

This was edited by my fellow editor Tdorante10 on Wikipedia. I love telling this example to people. It is absurd. And, local residents complained bitterly about the loss of service on 150th Street.

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On 5/23/2019 at 1:18 PM, Union Tpke said:

This says something about bus planning (or lack thereof) in this city:

On June 27, 1999, the Q44 began limited-stop service in Queens, with the Q20 split into two branches (Q20A and Q20B) to provide local service. Weekend service was also restored on the Q20A. Since the Q44 became limited, the Q20 was extended south along Main Street to make local stops. At this time, the Q44 was shifted from its historical route in the neighborhood of Briarwood between Union Turnpike and Hillside Avenue. It had previously turned east onto the Grand Central Parkway service road and then turned south onto 150th Street towards Jamaica, the same route employed since 1938 when Main Street dead-ended at the Grand Central service road.

This was edited by my fellow editor Tdorante10 on Wikipedia. I love telling this example to people. It is absurd. And, local residents complained bitterly about the loss of service on 150th Street.

It’s crazy to think that it took about 60 years for limited service to be implemented  to the Q44. I can only imagine how long the trip from Jamaica Ave/ Merrick Blvd to E 180th street in the Bronx. Probably had to be over 2 hours since the Q44 was alone before 1999. 

Some changes I would make to the Q44 is to have it cut back from Merrick Blvd to Sutphin LIRR. The Q20 would continue to run to Merrick. Routes would probably need to be shifted around to allow the Q44 to terminate at Sutphin. I’d say move the Q43 to turn left on Archer Ave and another left on 147th Place and have it lay over there. The first stop towards 268th street would be at Sutphin & Jamaica Av. I would also have the Q44 skip the routing on Union Street & Parsons Blvd and allow the Q20 to pick up whoever needs service over there. Instead the Q44 would follow the Q50 towards the Bronx. I think these two changes would help speed up the route even more.

There are other changes I would make to other Queens routes. I think the whole Jamaica hub needs to be reconstructed too. I don’t think the Q24 or Q54 should run to 168th & 171st. I would get rid of that weird backtracking route the Q112 does to travel to Ozone Park. The Q110 should provide service to the Jamaica LIRR station but I’d probably have it terminate with the Q40 on Hillside Ave. 

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18 minutes ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

I would also have the Q44 skip the routing on Union Street & Parsons Blvd and allow the Q20 to pick up whoever needs service over there. Instead the Q44 would follow the Q50 towards the Bronx. I think these two changes would help speed up the route even more.

You haven't actually seen Union Street, have you?

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16 minutes ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

It’s crazy to think that it took about 60 years for limited service to be implemented  to the Q44. I can only imagine how long the trip from Jamaica Ave/ Merrick Blvd to E 180th street in the Bronx. Probably had to be over 2 hours since the Q44 was alone before 1999. 

Some changes I would make to the Q44 is to have it cut back from Merrick Blvd to Sutphin LIRR. The Q20 would continue to run to Merrick. Routes would probably need to be shifted around to allow the Q44 to terminate at Sutphin. I’d say move the Q43 to turn left on Archer Ave and another left on 147th Place and have it lay over there. The first stop towards 268th street would be at Sutphin & Jamaica Av. I would also have the Q44 skip the routing on Union Street & Parsons Blvd and allow the Q20 to pick up whoever needs service over there. Instead the Q44 would follow the Q50 towards the Bronx. I think these two changes would help speed up the route even more.

There are other changes I would make to other Queens routes. I think the whole Jamaica hub needs to be reconstructed too. I don’t think the Q24 or Q54 should run to 168th & 171st. I would get rid of that weird backtracking route the Q112 does to travel to Ozone Park. The Q110 should provide service to the Jamaica LIRR station but I’d probably have it terminate with the Q40 on Hillside Ave. 

I also recommend that the Q40, Q110, Q111, Q112, Q113, and Q114 also be rerouted from Hillside Avenue to terminate at Jamaica Center-Parsons Archer station for the Q110-Q114 vía 153rd Street, and at 165th Street Bus terminal for the Q40 via the routing of the former Green Bus Line routes in the area. Since the Archer Line was complete, express service was bought into the Jamaica Center core. As a result, service to Hillside is unnecessary. The Q110 service to 179th Street would be unaffected.

The Q112 should also travel along Liberty Avenue between Sutphin Blvd and Brewer Blvd to straighten the route, but retain the backtracking.

For the Q44 changes, i am very neutral, but they should actually construct an off-street bus terminal for all of the Flushing routes of land is to be found. Otherwise, some local streets could be closed to accommodate this.

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29 minutes ago, Lex said:

You haven't actually seen Union Street, have you?

Plenty of times, the only reason why I mentioned it was because I’ve used the route past Main Street towards the Bronx. What’s the point of the Q44 serving Union St and Parsons Blvd when the Q20 also does that. I proposed taking the Q44 off of Union to speed up service for Bronx passengers. There isn’t a lot of people using the Q44 over there to the Bronx anyways. If people want Bronx service on the Q44 they can board at 35th Ave on Linden Place two blocks to the west. If they want service on 20th Ave the Q44 will be available on the Whitestone Expressway one block west from Parsons Blvd. The Q20 and Q44 don’t necessarily have to stick together, this is all about service improvements and offering faster service especially since the Q44 serves two boroughs. 

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45 minutes ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

Plenty of times, the only reason why I mentioned it was because I’ve used the route past Main Street towards the Bronx. What’s the point of the Q44 serving Union St and Parsons Blvd when the Q20 also does that. I proposed taking the Q44 off of Union to speed up service for Bronx passengers. There isn’t a lot of people using the Q44 over there to the Bronx anyways. If people want Bronx service on the Q44 they can board at 35th Ave on Linden Place two blocks to the west. If they want service on 20th Ave the Q44 will be available on the Whitestone Expressway one block west from Parsons Blvd. The Q20 and Q44 don’t necessarily have to stick together, this is all about service improvements and offering faster service especially since the Q44 serves two boroughs. 

I was thinking the same thing. With a Q25 conversion to SBS, I was thinking the Following as part of rerouting buses

Q44+ - Routed off Parsons Blvd and onto the Whitestone Expressway with the 50 Limited

Q25 - Limited becomes Select Bus Service and picks up the Q44 Slack until 20th Avenue where it'll go back to the Normal Route. Local service remains the Same. 

Q20A/B stays as is until further notice

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6 minutes ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

I was thinking the same thing. With a Q25 conversion to SBS, I was thinking the Following as part of rerouting buses

Q44+ - Routed off Parsons Blvd and onto the Whitestone Expressway with the 50 Limited

Q25 - Limited becomes Select Bus Service and picks up the Q44 Slack until 20th Avenue where it'll go back to the Normal Route. Local service remains the Same. 

Q20A/B stays as is until further notice

Musical chairs isn't helpful.

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57 minutes ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

Plenty of times, the only reason why I mentioned it was because I’ve used the route past Main Street towards the Bronx. What’s the point of the Q44 serving Union St and Parsons Blvd when the Q20 also does that. I proposed taking the Q44 off of Union to speed up service for Bronx passengers. There isn’t a lot of people using the Q44 over there to the Bronx anyways. If people want Bronx service on the Q44 they can board at 35th Ave on Linden Place two blocks to the west. If they want service on 20th Ave the Q44 will be available on the Whitestone Expressway one block west from Parsons Blvd. The Q20 and Q44 don’t necessarily have to stick together, this is all about service improvements and offering faster service especially since the Q44 serves two boroughs. 

Look at 39th Street. The B35 and B70 have enough difficulty along that street, and that's the portion of the former with relatively low frequency. You're basically saying to make Union Street (a street already having difficulty fitting the buses in) that on steroids. As soon as a bus can't continue on Union Street, it's stuck, as buses have no real way to pass each other, and that'll only become much more likely with the Q44's frequency. Moreover, if the reasoning for moving it is just because you want those buses to reach the Bronx faster, then you've utterly missed the bigger picture (not everyone is using the route to travel between the Bronx and Queens, nor should everyone using it be trying to go between the two). In addition, while the Q20 does run on the same route, the Q20A splits at 20th Avenue, whereas the Q44 breaks from the Q20B. The latter Q20 has nowhere near as much demand, nor is the MTA willing to supply much more of it (in part because of 14th Avenue's more residential nature). That's not even getting into the fact that the 26th Avenue and Bayside Avenue stops are in locations where the Q50's route is utterly incapable of being particularly useful (the former especially so, as there's no way across the freeway, hence the Q34's odd route).

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Just to touch on something that was mentioned on a now-locked thread...

 

If the Q26 is supposedly being discontinued in the Fall pick, then when/where was the public hearing held?

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29 minutes ago, Gotham Bus Co. said:

Just to touch on something that was mentioned on a now-locked thread...

 

If the Q26 is supposedly being discontinued in the Fall pick, then when/where was the public hearing held?

It would be mentioned in the next board meeting before a hearing occurs.

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