Lawrence St Posted February 27, 2018 Share #4876 Posted February 27, 2018 You call 63rd an improvement? What they need to do is convert that upper level at Roosevelt to actual service, would help a lot if and when they decide to extend the Rockaway Shuttle over the RBB. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted February 27, 2018 Share #4877 Posted February 27, 2018 That 63 Street connector to Queens Boulevard was a compromise… a hack. It should have been left as-is until money came along for a proper connection to Archer Avenue via the Queens Bypass. The mere existence of this connection acts as an excuse to delay the Queens Bypass indefinitely. We’ll get CBTC, platform screen doors, and driverless automated trains before we see a bypass built. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted February 27, 2018 Share #4878 Posted February 27, 2018 31 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: You call 63rd an improvement? What they need to do is convert that upper level at Roosevelt to actual service, would help a lot if and when they decide to extend the Rockaway Shuttle over the RBB. Unless connected to the RX, opening the upper level would serve no purpose save to further overcrowd the Manhattan-bound platforms below. 1 minute ago, CenSin said: That 63 Street connector to Queens Boulevard was a compromise… a hack. It should have been left as-is until money came along for a proper connection to Archer Avenue via the Queens Bypass. The mere existence of this connection acts as an excuse to delay the Queens Bypass indefinitely. We’ll get CBTC, platform screen doors, and driverless automated trains before we see a bypass built. Look, I’m with you in theory, but the crowding situation on Queens Boulevard wasn’t gonna get any better. Imagine how Roosevelt and Queens Plaza would look if the was still a full time QB local... While a half-measure, those 10 trains per hour of Manhattan gave QB the little bit of breathing room necessary for operation. I frankly don’t think that we could have waited for the Bypass — that would have killed the line. And FWIW, I wouldn’t write the Bypass off so fast. It made it into the 20-year needs, and certainly is on the radar of folks in the agency. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted February 27, 2018 Share #4879 Posted February 27, 2018 57 minutes ago, RR503 said: And FWIW, I wouldn’t write the Bypass off so fast. It made it into the 20-year needs, and certainly is on the radar of folks in the agency. Given the track record for the Utica Avenue Line and the 2 Avenue Line, anything on the radar is still likely vaporware until the an operational station with tracks is up for service. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted February 27, 2018 Share #4880 Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, RR503 said: I wouldn’t write the Bypass off so fast. It made it into the 20-year needs, and certainly is on the radar of folks in the agency. How would the bypass work in today's standards? Similar to where trains run non-stop between 21 St and Forest Hills (stop at Woodside) and connect to the local tracks? Because of the alignment of the Woodside Station and the need to reorganize the tracks as well as other lines to fit the bypass in, the best thing the bypass would do is provide peak direction service. Course, this wouldn't be much of a problem anyways because the bypass is meant to serve the crowds of Jamaica correct? Edited February 27, 2018 by MysteriousBtrain 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted February 27, 2018 Share #4881 Posted February 27, 2018 8 hours ago, MysteriousBtrain said: How would the bypass work in today's standards? Similar to where trains run non-stop between 21 St and Forest Hills (stop at Woodside) and connect to the local tracks? Because of the alignment of the Woodside Station and the need to reorganize the tracks as well as other lines to fit the bypass in, the best thing the bypass would do is provide peak direction service. Course, this wouldn't be much of a problem anyways because the bypass is meant to serve the crowds of Jamaica correct? Because of the ESA project, a weirdly large amount of the Bypass has already been planned. Basically, it'd run under Sunnyside Yards, then under Barnett Avenue until it goes under the LIRR Main, at which point you're basically at Woodside. You'll have a stop there (somehow constructed below current LIRR platforms), and then the line will continue to a portal just beyond the PW Branch split, from where it'll follow the LIRR Main at grade level until another portal at Yellowstone Boulevard. There, it'll cut north, make a stop below FH71, and join the local tracks of QBL. You could easily add stops along the LIRR main portion. Whether you should is up for discussion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted February 27, 2018 Share #4882 Posted February 27, 2018 2 hours ago, RR503 said: Because of the ESA project, a weirdly large amount of the Bypass has already been planned. Basically, it'd run under Sunnyside Yards, then under Barnett Avenue until it goes under the LIRR Main, at which point you're basically at Woodside. You'll have a stop there (somehow constructed below current LIRR platforms), and then the line will continue to a portal just beyond the PW Branch split, from where it'll follow the LIRR Main at grade level until another portal at Yellowstone Boulevard. There, it'll cut north, make a stop below FH71, and join the local tracks of QBL. You could easily add stops along the LIRR main portion. Whether you should is up for discussion. What was the requirement for a bypass, and what’s being covered by the ESA project? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted February 27, 2018 Share #4883 Posted February 27, 2018 2 hours ago, CenSin said: What was the requirement for a bypass, and what’s being covered by the ESA project? Because of all the tunneling under Sunnyside, the MTA was forced to either give up the possibility of making a Bypass, or lay down a route for it through the yards. They did the latter, and then designated said route a ‘no dig zone’ to preserve the possibility of future construction. They also had to leave some sort of structural provision IIRC when they built the Q-tip, but don’t quote me on that. There are some bid documents for some of the ESA contracts posted somewhere — I’ll find them later and post them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted February 27, 2018 Share #4884 Posted February 27, 2018 Alright, here y'all go. The existing provisions are as follows -- the green jagged thing by the curve off of 41st ave. To this day, that's all that physically exists of the Queens Bypass. What I'm talking about in terms of the Q-tip (the Q-tip is the bathtub like structure they built to connect the existing 63rd st tunnels to those under Sunnyside Yards. The 63rd st connector threads its way over it). For some geographical context. Now, let's look at the plans. Do note that none of the tunnels represented in these plans have been built; they're simply paths of and provisions for future construction. The Bypass tracks are supposed to largely circumvent the LIRR ESA tunnels. As you can see here (disregard any mention of an NYCT yard track -- they cut that from plans) NYCT T1A and T2A are splitting away from each other to get around the Q tip and proceed under Sunnyside. For those who like less cluttered diagrams: From there, the two bypass tunnels take widely disparate paths under the yard, the s/b track moving diagonally to a point tangent to Barnett Avenue, and approximately under the 39th st bridge. The n/b track makes a wide arc to the south and west of the ESA tunnels, arriving at the tangent line from Barnett Avenue somewhere near Honeywell St. If you're confused as to what I'm saying, not to fear, Parsons has made a pretty video with an even prettier visual representation. See 0:35 here: https://vimeopro.com/projectviz/vdc-videos/video/72678833 The green tunnels are the Bypass. My understanding of the vertical cross-section of all this is murkier. The n/b bypass tunnel passes under the ESA-Main line connections on its diagonal run under the yard, but in the area of the Q-tip I'm not entirely sure what happens. Some drawings have the two bypass tunnels remaining at equal elevations, suggesting they'd join 63rd st at a flat junction, but others seem to say that the n/b track dips under the 63rd st connecter seemingly to make a flying connection with them before 21st st. I'll have to go explore the area a bit more to be sure, but I think the latter is the case. Anyway, here are the drawings: Equal elevation: Different elevations: SUPER credz to subchat user Jamestrains1 for making these public. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted February 27, 2018 Share #4885 Posted February 27, 2018 T1A and T2A are where the bypass would be? Wow, they're quite far from each other under the yard. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted February 27, 2018 Share #4886 Posted February 27, 2018 22 minutes ago, P3F said: T1A and T2A are where the bypass would be? Wow, they're quite far from each other under the yard. Yup! Again, I think they were trying to avoid as much conflict as was possible with the ESA tunnels, and doing the diagonal/arc does that best. It'll certainly be a first for the system -- I can't think of anywhere where a pair of tracks gets that far apart. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted February 28, 2018 Share #4887 Posted February 28, 2018 3 hours ago, RR503 said: Yup! Again, I think they were trying to avoid as much conflict as was possible with the ESA tunnels, and doing the diagonal/arc does that best. It'll certainly be a first for the system -- I can't think of anywhere where a pair of tracks gets that far apart. Would the former Atlantic Avenue station have counted? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted February 28, 2018 Share #4888 Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) Service Change Posted: 02/27/2018 9:55PM Some southbound and trains are running local from 96 St to Times Sq-42 St. Some southbound trains are stopping along the line from 149 St-Grand Concourse to Nevins St. There is no train service between 96 Stand Harlem-148 St in both directions. These service changes are because of FDNY activity at 72 St. Expect delays in , and train service. Our crews are on site working to fix it ASAP and we'll follow up soon. Stay tuned for updates. ----------------------------------------------------- Why the suspension though? Edited February 28, 2018 by BM5 via Woodhaven 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted February 28, 2018 Share #4889 Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said: Service Change Posted: 02/27/2018 9:55PM Some southbound and trains are running local from 96 St to Times Sq-42 St. Some southbound trains are stopping along the line from 149 St-Grand Concourse to Nevins St. There is no train service between 96 Stand Harlem-148 St in both directions. These service changes are because of FDNY activity at 72 St. Expect delays in , and train service. Our crews are on site working to fix it ASAP and we'll follow up soon. Stay tuned for updates. ----------------------------------------------------- Why the suspension though? If it's FDNY activity, then why do the crews need to be on site "fixing it"? Another lie... If it's a fire, they should just say that. FDNY activity makes it sound like there's some issue that the FDNY is dealing with that's unrelated to subway service. Edited February 28, 2018 by Via Garibaldi 8 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted February 28, 2018 Share #4890 Posted February 28, 2018 train bound for 9 Avenue just pulled out of 36 Street at 6:03 PM. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted February 28, 2018 Share #4891 Posted February 28, 2018 Seems like service changes aren't the only things unplanned now... Service Change Posted: 02/28/2018 6:02PM Northbound and (W) trains are running express from Canal St to 57 St-7 Av. Some northbound trains are stopping along the line from DeKalb Av to W 4 St-Washington Sq then over the line to 36 St (Qns). Some northbound trains are stopping along the line from DeKalb Av to W 4 St-Washington Sq then over the line to Lexington Av-63 St. Expect delays in , , , , and train service. These service changes are because of switch problems at 34 St-Herlad Sq. Our crews are on site working to fix it ASAP and we'll follow up soon. Stay tuned for updates. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted March 1, 2018 Share #4892 Posted March 1, 2018 6th Avenue line was a mess tonight. Supposedly because of a switch problem, they had trains running via the line to 96th Street-2nd Avenue. and trains were a mess. The train I was on was held in the station for God knows how long. When we got to 59th street (Columbus Circle), it went express. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted March 1, 2018 Share #4893 Posted March 1, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said: 6th Avenue line was a mess tonight. Supposedly because of a switch problem, they had trains running via the line to 96th Street-2nd Avenue. and trains were a mess. The train I was on was held in the station for God knows how long. When we got to 59th street (Columbus Circle), it went express. Some and service (and even one ) got rerouted up via 6th Avenue Express. With 5 services on one track (and even if the being every other train, and the being one train), there's no way that couldn't have caused delays. The original plan was to run the and via 6th Avenue local, but that didn't happen (It made sense, since that would throw off the and in addition to the and ). Be glad some trains weren't rerouted via the going northbound too, because that has been happening at semi-frequent intervals (due to some signal along the Culver Line having problems). Had that happened, imagine having to deal with , , and then half the , , and . Edited March 1, 2018 by BM5 via Woodhaven 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted March 1, 2018 Share #4894 Posted March 1, 2018 4 hours ago, CenSin said: train bound for 9 Avenue just pulled out of 36 Street at 6:03 PM. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted March 1, 2018 Share #4895 Posted March 1, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said: Some and service (and even one ) got rerouted up via 6th Avenue Express. With 5 services on one track (and even if the being every other train, and the being one train), there's no way that couldn't have caused delays. The original plan was to run the and via 6th Avenue local, but that didn't happen (It made sense, since that would throw off the and in addition to the and ). Be glad some trains weren't rerouted via the going northbound too, because that has been happening at semi-frequent intervals (due to some signal along the Culver Line having problems). Had that happened, imagine having to deal with , , and then half the , , and . It didn't make a difference. I still had to cancel my meeting last night because of the mess. We sat and sat and sat. I just don't understand how this happens so frequently during rush hour. I had been avoiding that line entirely during rush hour and it looks like I'll have to start doing that again. Edited March 1, 2018 by Via Garibaldi 8 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted March 2, 2018 Share #4896 Posted March 2, 2018 Service Change Posted: 03/02/2018 2:06PM Southbound trains are running express from Eastchester-Dyre Av to E 180 St because of severe weather conditions causing tree branches on the tracks. As an alternative, customers can use the Bx12-SBS, Bx16, Bx28, Bx30 or Bx38 bus making nearby station stops. Our crews are on the scene working to fix it as quickly as possible. We will keep you updated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted March 2, 2018 Share #4897 Posted March 2, 2018 MTA Service Status Service Change Posted: 03/02/2018 2:06PM -Rockaway Park shuttle trains are operating between Rockaway Park-Beach 116 St and Far Rockaway-Mott Av because of a tree on the tracks at Broad Channel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted March 2, 2018 Share #4898 Posted March 2, 2018 RIP Dyre Avenue Line for the second time today... Service Change Posted: 03/02/2018 4:02PM There is no train service between Eastchester-Dyre Av to E 180 St in both directions because of severe weather conditions causing tree branches on the tracks. As an alternative, customers can use the Bx12-SBS, Bx16, Bx28, Bx30 or Bx38 bus making nearby station stops. Our crews are on the scene working to fix it as quickly as possible. We will keep you updated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted March 2, 2018 Share #4899 Posted March 2, 2018 I'm surprised it came back. Also, outbound Brighton service was suspended earlier today due to a down tree. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted March 2, 2018 Share #4900 Posted March 2, 2018 Well, the Dyre Avenue service is back, but looks like another may be close to being suspended (under the right conditions) Delays Posted: 03/02/2018 5:30PM (5) train service has resumed following earlier severe weather conditions causing tree branches on the tracks. Service Change Posted: 03/02/2018 5:47PM Southbound trains are running express from Pelham Bay Park to Parkchester because of a fallen tree on the platform at Middletown Rd. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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