Second Avenue Subway Discussion

[P3F]

The only reason that it exists is to replace the transfer that was lost when the switched to 63 St.

 

Granted, I don't think many people actually use that transfer since it's faster to just take the and switch in Queens.

If you're coming from the Bronx on the and need 6th Avenue, the 63rd Street transfer is useful.

[CenSin]

If you're coming from the Bronx on the and need 6th Avenue, the 63rd Street transfer is useful.

I don’t know if the use cases are very good. If they are on the , it is faster to go upstairs for the . The necessity for 6 Avenue service is minimized by the fact that Broadway is very close by.

 

57 Street, 47–50 Streets–Rockefeller Center, 42 Street–Bryant Park, 34 Street–Herald Square, 23 Street all require less walking from nearby stations than getting off at Lexington Avenue/59 Street and walking to Lexington Avenue/63 Street for the proper stations. 42 Street–Bryant Park can also be reached by transferring to the or at Grand Central–42 Street. 14 Street/6 Avenue can be reached by transferring to the at Union Square. Broadway–Lafayette Street can be reached by transferring to the at 14 Street–Union Square. Grand Street can be reached by transferring to the or at Brooklyn Bridge–City Hall. Delancey Street–Essex Street can also be reached by transferring to the or at Brooklyn Bridge–City Hall. 2 Avenue can be reached by walking from the nearby Bleecker Street station you missed a train and do not expect another one to arrive soon. East Broadway can be reached from Delancey Street–Essex Street. In these cases, it’s probably just as fast to wait an entire headway for an train to take you one stop over. Either way, the walking distance from Lexington Avenue/59 Street to Lexington Avenue/63 Street is beaten or matched.

 

There are just a handful of 6 Avenue-specific cases that are not adequately covered by nearly-efficient travel alternatives:

• Roosevelt Island because you just have to take the .
• West 4 Street–Washington Square
• York Street
• …and just about every station in Brooklyn since it does not play nice with the Lexington Avenue expresses.

These deficiencies should be solved by building an underground transfer passageway specifically for transfers between the Lexington Avenue express trains and 63 Street trains since the platforms for both are so deep. The distance between the sets of platforms is only about 2.5 street blocks, but the ascent to street level and descent from street level adds a lot of distance that discourages most people from using the out-of-system transfer. I would say the current walking distance is equivalent to a walk from 7 Avenue to 8 Avenue. A direct, in-system underground passageway would cut that distance in half.

Edited October 15, 2016 by CenSin

[Eric B]

I had heard there was some electrical room that connected them, but there's never been any information on that.

[Javier]

This is NOT the official map, but I found it on Facebook:

 

https://drive.google.com/a/hastings.k12.ny.us/file/d/0B3o4kzkKyU0LTFJqYlBtaWs1WTQ/view?usp=sharing

Edited October 16, 2016 by Javier

[S78 via Hylan]

This is NOT the official map, but I found it on Xbox:

 

https://drive.google.com/a/hastings.k12.ny.us/file/d/0B3o4kzkKyU0LTFJqYlBtaWs1WTQ/view?usp=sharing

It's not working for me. It's telling me that I need permission or something.

[Javier]

Try again:

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-42y4FOsZgFTjQ1T1RSbGltalE/view?usp=sharing

 

And I meant Facebook not Xbox lol.

[Javier]

Hold on, this is just stupid. Why is the operating via the bridge during late night hours instead of via Montague? Don't tell me it's because the can't turn at Whitehall without screwing up service, no one uses the over the bridge anyway during the night.

 

But, in my opinion, the should run over night from Astoria to Bay Ridge via Mountague so that you don't have this mess of a late night service.

[bobtehpanda]

Try again:

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-42y4FOsZgFTjQ1T1RSbGltalE/view?usp=sharing

 

And I meant Facebook not Xbox lol.

 

This is just really poorly done.

 

1. We already know what the to 96 St is supposed to look like on maps since they've had it drawn out since 2004.
2. Where the curves are drawn, they're very sloppy and inconsistent with what the MTA has done. You'll also notice that you can very noticeably see the getting overlapped by the existing Broadway line, when nowhere else on the map can you see the grey outline intersecting the actual line color.

Edited October 16, 2016 by bobtehpanda

[CenSin]

 

This is just really poorly done.

 

1. We already know what the to 96 St is supposed to look like on maps since they've had it drawn out since 2004.
2. Where the curves are drawn, they're very sloppy and inconsistent with what the MTA has done. You'll also notice that you can very noticeably see the getting overlapped by the existing Broadway line, when nowhere else on the map can you see the grey outline intersecting the actual line color.

 

That map also states that the is a part-time server of 49 Street. I wonder if that’s the case.

[Union Tpke]

That map also states that the is a part-time server of 49 Street. I wonder if that’s the case.

 

It is not.

[Fresh Pond]

This is just really poorly done.

 

• We already know what the to 96 St is supposed to look like on maps since they've had it drawn out since 2004.
• Where the curves are drawn, they're very sloppy and inconsistent with what the MTA has done. You'll also notice that you can very noticeably see the getting overlapped by the existing Broadway line, when nowhere else on the map can you see the grey outline intersecting the actual line color.

Then there's another mistake on the map.

 

Look by Governors Island near the Brooklyn shore. As if magically floating there, you'll see "2, 3, and Manhattan 4, 5" arbitrarily floating there in blue letters.

 

And none of the 2 Av stations show any wheelchair availability.

[IAlam]

Then there's another mistake on the map.

 

Look by Governors Island near the Brooklyn shore. As if magically floating there, you'll see "2, 3, and Manhattan 4, 5" arbitrarily floating there in blue letters.

 

And none of the 2 Av stations show any wheelchair availability.

To add on top of that the and shutdown stated on the map can't happen during the same time. The would have to be express in the other direction. 

[richardye1]

 

This is just really poorly done.

 

1. We already know what the to 96 St is supposed to look like on maps since they've had it drawn out since 2004.
2. Where the curves are drawn, they're very sloppy and inconsistent with what the MTA has done. You'll also notice that you can very noticeably see the getting overlapped by the existing Broadway line, when nowhere else on the map can you see the grey outline intersecting the actual line color.

 

also there's no bullet between TSQ and 34-Herald Square like there is supposed to be

[Porter]

As far as official maps go, I can take you halfway there:

 

[CenSin]

 

This is just really poorly done.

 

1. We already know what the to 96 St is supposed to look like on maps since they've had it drawn out since 2004.
2. Where the curves are drawn, they're very sloppy and inconsistent with what the MTA has done. You'll also notice that you can very noticeably see the getting overlapped by the existing Broadway line, when nowhere else on the map can you see the grey outline intersecting the actual line color.

 

 

That map also states that the is a part-time server of 49 Street. I wonder if that’s the case.

 

Then there's another mistake on the map.

 

Look by Governors Island near the Brooklyn shore. As if magically floating there, you'll see "2, 3, and Manhattan 4, 5" arbitrarily floating there in blue letters.

 

And none of the 2 Av stations show any wheelchair availability.

 

To add on top of that the and shutdown stated on the map can't happen during the same time. The would have to be express in the other direction. 

 

also there's no bullet between TSQ and 34-Herald Square like there is supposed to be

 

I wonder who made it.

[Around the Horn]

I wonder who made it.

It was some guy on reddit if I remember correctly

[D to Burke Avenue]

It was some guy on reddit if I remember correctly

 

It doesn't have the late night service Whitehall-95 Street noted

[Around the Horn]

It doesn't have the late night service Whitehall-95 Street noted

It was posted before that was announced

[D to Burke Avenue]

Alright, got it!

[Porter]

Does someone have a map of the SAS tunnels built before 2007? How many of them will be usable? I only know that they are forgoing the one in Chinatown. How far north(east) did the 63-Lex stubs go?

[Fresh Pond]

Does someone have a map of the SAS tunnels built before 2007? How many of them will be usable? I only know that they are forgoing the one in Chinatown. How far north(east) did the 63-Lex stubs go?

The ones at Lex-63 only went up to the station and ended at bumper blocks at the end of the station.

 

There was a segment built between 99 and 105 Sts (or something like that), and that's being used now for lay-up space for Phase 1.

 

There was another segment built roughly around 116-120 Sts, and they will most likely use that part too.

[BreeddekalbL]

what about the chrystie street tunnels at Confucius plaza?

[Around the Horn]

what about the chrystie street tunnels at Confucius plaza?

 

Those will most likely become Ancillary structures because the current plan is to tunnel below them.

[Eric B]

Did the "familiarization" today after work. Even got to operate for a section! Cool! (so now, on opening day, when all the diehard buffs totally crowd out the first car or more, like on the extension, I've already seen all of it, and can focus on exploring the new stations! ).

 

Thought the tunnel would have all new LED lighting, but the new tunnel has stuck with CFLs (they must have contracted it years before, before they started installing LED's), while the existing tunnel between Lexington and 57th now has these new kinds of bright LED fixtures that shine the light downward only (they also have them south of Broad leading to Montague). The blue ones are this deep color.

 

(Forgot to mention before, from the timetables, that it says for the (N)'s going to 96th "(Q SIGNAGE)". Doesn't say where to change it, though).

[CTK246]

Not 100% SAS related, but they already have signage up at 28th St.