LTA1992 Posted October 27, 2016 Share #2751 Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) Honestly, as I've said before, nothing can be done once shovels go in the ground. It takes years to plan a subway and I doubt they've even thought about designing an under river tunnel. To at least have the plans anyway. This is where my frustration comes from. Not just because of how things have been handled, nor about the inflated costs slowing the process of everything, but the fact that I would be a user of the service. I don't live in The Bronx (yet), but my mom lives within a five minute walk to what would be the Fordham Plaza station meaning I'd be a regular user. I've seen how much a subway is needed with my own eyes as long as 10 years ago. Before I started gaining the knowledge I have to understand why. My frustration comes from the lack of care from my government about the people of some of the poorest sections of this city. And worst if all, the fact that like most ambitions for this subway, a Bronx extension will probably never see reality. Sent from my N9132 using Tapatalk Edited October 27, 2016 by LTA1992 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porter Posted October 27, 2016 Share #2752 Posted October 27, 2016 Could it be that the generally favors Manhattan over the Bronx? If so, I bet that there's a reason, even if unspoken. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caelestor Posted October 27, 2016 Share #2753 Posted October 27, 2016 Could it be that the generally favors Manhattan over the Bronx? If so, I bet that there's a reason, even if unspoken. That's not a secret, considering all expansion projects in the last decade have been in Manhattan. The primary impetus derives from developers who want to redevelop WTC, Hudson Yards, and the East Side. In the current environment, the only potential candidate for a new subway line in the outer boroughs would be a Queens Bypass line for developing the Sunnyside Yards upon the completion of SAS Phase 3. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted October 28, 2016 Share #2754 Posted October 28, 2016 That's not a secret, considering all expansion projects in the last decade have been in Manhattan. The primary impetus derives from developers who want to redevelop WTC, Hudson Yards, and the East Side. In the current environment, the only potential candidate for a new subway line in the outer boroughs would be a Queens Bypass line for developing the Sunnyside Yards upon the completion of SAS Phase 3. I've had the opportunity to talk to many people in management positions in NYCT over the years. This includes mass transit advocates as well as those I consider political types. I believe BrooklynBus, as an insider, and B35, as an observer, in the Surface forums understand where I'm coming from. The , when talking strictly NYCT, appears to be a real estate promoter rather than a mass transit advocate. That's my opinion and it's held by many in NYCT. It's as if the Bronx, parts of Queens, Brooklyn, and the whole of Staten Island don't exist in the planners vision except as they relate to Manhattan. Even the proponents of the 125th St crosstown segment of the SAS seem to overlook the fact that over the years Metro-North has decreased the amount of service stopping at the 125th St stop. The overlooked fact about the Central Harlem area surrounding 125th St and extending northward is that any population increase up there is basically replacing the housing and population loss from the 1960's through the '90's. I've always pointed out the apparent neglect of existing neighborhoods' transportation needs in the outer boroughs while Hudson Yards or the overpriced Fulton Tansit Center and the like get all the press. I have noticed some posters mentioning the new office construction in the Grand Central area and that there should be subway improvements because of this and the LIRR East Side Access at GC. Someone mentioned how many new people would be introduced to the area which makes these new proposals an immediate necessity. It's this way of thinking that seems to drive the and some railfans way of thinking. I'm not saying there will be no increase in foot traffic in the area but the projected increase is bogus on it's face. East Side Access only splits the LI ridership between Penn Station and Grand Central. In other words it's probably the same amount of ridership coming into the Grand Central area but they're coming in directly rather than coming over from Penn Station. BTW the whole idea is a sop to people coming from the other end of Long Island but does next to nothing for the Long Islanders who reside in NYC. That's Brooklyn and Queens residents for those who weren't taught that in school. I'm still waiting for the to show some love for the New York City residents already here and don't have the developer's clout. I'm not saying the should ignore what's happening in the NYC real estate community. What I am saying is that the adhere to it's supposed core mission of improving mass transit and stop waving pom-poms for billionaire developers. Just my opinion though. Carry on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted October 28, 2016 Share #2755 Posted October 28, 2016 (edited) Could it be that the generally favors Manhattan over the Bronx? If so, I bet that there's a reason, even if unspoken. Every transportation project, from the original els to the original IRT to the 7 Line Extension and BQX today, has been primarily to serve real estate interests. No more, no less, I'm not saying there will be no increase in foot traffic in the area but the projected increase is bogus on it's face. East Side Access only splits the LI ridership between Penn Station and Grand Central. In other words it's probably the same amount of ridership coming into the Grand Central area but they're coming in directly rather than coming over from Penn Station. BTW the whole idea is a sop to people coming from the other end of Long Island but does next to nothing for the Long Islanders who reside in NYC. East Side Access is a crap project that is literally the most expensive tunnel in the world and ridiculously late (2023 and $12B). Unfortunately, it's not getting cancelled any time soon, and day 1 we will have Long Islanders who can't take Atlantic trains anymore switch to GCT, and people who don't like Penn will switch to GCT, which means the hand for SAS is kind of forced. At least SAS Phase III has use for outer-borough residents; you can't use the other half of 63rd St tunnel capacity unless you have somewhere in Manhattan to send it, and SAS Phase III is the only thing that fits the bill. Edited October 28, 2016 by bobtehpanda 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted October 28, 2016 Share #2756 Posted October 28, 2016 Even the proponents of the 125th St crosstown segment of the SAS seem to overlook the fact that over the years Metro-North has decreased the amount of service stopping at the 125th St stop. The overlooked fact about the Central Harlem area surrounding 125th St and extending northward is that any population increase up there is basically replacing the housing and population loss from the 1960's through the '90's. That is true, but even that is coming back with a lot of new development there. The main reason for a 125th Street crosstown is besides the fact such would connect to ALL of the other lines on 125 (including the and possibly a NEW Metro-North stop at 125th Street/12th Avenue if Metro-North gets Penn Station access as is also planned) is the fact that Columbia University is undergoing a MASSIVE expansion that will be complete by the time the SAS reached Broadway/125. This would up make it easier for those who want to go to Columbia to live on the Upper East Side and likely also spur more new development in Harlem beyond what is already being done (and there are a lot of areas of east Harlem that can and likely will get built up). That's why a full crosstown on 125 should be part of an extended Phase 2 (or Phase 2A) if possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted October 28, 2016 Share #2757 Posted October 28, 2016 If there was a lot of money to spare, I'd suggest that the 125 Street Crosstown goes directly to Queens and serves College Point and other neighborhoods in the area. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caelestor Posted October 28, 2016 Share #2758 Posted October 28, 2016 If there was a lot of money to spare, I'd suggest that the 125 Street Crosstown goes directly to Queens and serves College Point and other neighborhoods in the area. In general, you don't want lines that aren't radial or circumferential. A College Point line should probably be running under Northern Blvd, and the 125 St line should be linking up with the Triboro RX or SAS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted October 28, 2016 Share #2759 Posted October 28, 2016 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porter Posted October 28, 2016 Share #2760 Posted October 28, 2016 Cool! If I'm not mistaken, 7:16 is the exact moment when the new excavation becomes the original stub. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted October 28, 2016 Share #2761 Posted October 28, 2016 Cool! If I'm not mistaken, 7:16 is the exact moment when the new excavation becomes the original stub.It's about 7:30 where the tube construction changes to the flat walls. That side of Lex-63 ended at a bumper block just outside the station. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted October 29, 2016 Author Share #2762 Posted October 29, 2016 That is a very short bellmouth south of 72 Street. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted October 31, 2016 Share #2763 Posted October 31, 2016 http://ny.curbed.com/2016/10/31/13476864/second-avenue-subway-station-test-trains-mta If anyone's interested. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrome Posted October 31, 2016 Share #2764 Posted October 31, 2016 Are those black cables hanging from the ceiling from TransitWireless? Could they seriously not coordinate on a better way to integrate those cables into a brand-new station? So ugly... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted October 31, 2016 Share #2765 Posted October 31, 2016 The fake train graphic at Lex-63rd was being removed when I passed through there this morning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDNQ2345 Posted October 31, 2016 Share #2766 Posted October 31, 2016 The fake train graphic at Lex-63rd was being removed when I passed through there this morning.I just passed their this morning and they didn't put it down yet 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted October 31, 2016 Share #2767 Posted October 31, 2016 The fake train graphic at Lex-63rd was being removed when I passed through there this morning. It was intact on the Queens bound platform around noon today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted October 31, 2016 Share #2768 Posted October 31, 2016 There are parts of it missing (a good two or three car lengths) but the plywood is still there. (I rode through the Downtown level just now) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted October 31, 2016 Share #2769 Posted October 31, 2016 There are parts of it missing (a good two or three car lengths) but the plywood is still there. (I rode through the Downtown level just now) Does that mean there taking down the barrier? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted October 31, 2016 Share #2770 Posted October 31, 2016 That is a very short bellmouth south of 72 Street. Looks like southbound trains catch some speed between 86th and 72nd on that downgrade. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted November 1, 2016 Author Share #2771 Posted November 1, 2016 Looks like southbound trains catch some speed between 86th and 72nd on that downgrade. Are they even running the trains at normal speeds? Methinks it could be even faster once the tests and construction is over. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted November 1, 2016 Share #2772 Posted November 1, 2016 Are they even running the trains at normal speeds? Methinks it could be even faster once the tests and construction is over. You could be correct. Didn't see any timers from the video I'm sure there testing the final signal setup. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted November 1, 2016 Share #2773 Posted November 1, 2016 Does that mean there taking down the barrier? I don't know. Most of the train graphic is still up. Only a few car lengths are missing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted November 1, 2016 Share #2774 Posted November 1, 2016 You could be correct. Didn't see any timers from the video I'm sure there testing the final signal setup. Correction there is a timer at the bottom of the downgrade before the crossover. Just noticed it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted November 2, 2016 Share #2775 Posted November 2, 2016 They updated the line map on the site, it no longer has the and coexisting at the same time. Schedule is till the one from 2009. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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