Via Garibaldi 8 Posted June 22, 2012 Share #201 Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) Several? There are only two... It's mostly 14th Street traffic... Well quite frankly I couldn't tell you how many there are since I wasn't aware that any had been cut since 2010. I can't think of another local route like the M14 though with the branches thing... So many buses come that it seems like there are several branches because they came bunched sometimes in 4s and I never look to see if it's an A a D or what since I'm not riding it to the end of the line in either direction. 2 branches, tight scheduling and for the most part, 14th Street traffic. Traveling along Avenue A, C & D is usually not bad for both the M14A & M14D. M14Ds get more demand than M14As and since the service cuts, it became even more demanding. If you go to the Lower East Side end of both M14s, you can see that they run at a good pace compared to 14th Street which is a hot mess in itself. That makes sense. Occasionally I've gone with the M14 over to Abingdon Square and that isn't so bad once you get off of 14th street, but then again I believe the last stop is only a block or two from 14th street anyway, so I guess I would have to be on an M14 that strayed further away from 14th street to truly see. Edited June 22, 2012 by Via Garibaldi 8 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted June 22, 2012 Share #202 Posted June 22, 2012 Well quite frankly I couldn't tell you how many there are since I wasn't aware that any had been cut since 2010. I can't think of another local route like the M14 though with the branches thing... So many buses come that it seems like there are several branches because they came bunched sometimes in 4s and I never look to see if it's an A a D or what since I'm not riding it to the end of the line in either direction. That makes sense. Occasionally I've gone with the M14 over to Abingdon Square and that isn't so bad once you get off of 14th street, but then again I believe the last stop is only a block or two from 14th street anyway, I guess I would have to be on an M14 that strayed further away from 14th street to truly see. Yep, that's pretty much the deal. M14C service got eliminated in 2002 btw. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted June 22, 2012 Share #203 Posted June 22, 2012 Well quite frankly I couldn't tell you how many there are since I wasn't aware that any had been cut since 2010. I can't think of another local route like the M14 though with the branches thing... So many buses come that it seems like there are several branches because they came bunched sometimes in 4s and I never look to see if it's an A a D or what since I'm not riding it to the end of the line in either direction. Let's see here... Local routes with branches, named or unnamed: B38 B41 Q46 Q83 And the list goes on... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted June 22, 2012 Share #204 Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) The closest analogy to the M14 A/D would be the M34 / A. One thing that always puzzled me, looking at the map, is why the M21 connects with the 14A and 22 but the M14D does not. Is there any particular reason for this? Edited June 22, 2012 by NX Express 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted June 22, 2012 Share #205 Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) Let's see here... Local routes with branches, named or unnamed: B38 B41 Q46 Q83 And the list goes on... I meant named branches... As NX said, I believe the M34 would be closest to the M14 in that regard, which oddly enough confuses the heck out of me now when I see it even though I've used the line for years. Should've just kept it as the M16, which they may revert to because a lot of folks have complained about this whole M34/M34A set up. Edited June 22, 2012 by Via Garibaldi 8 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted June 22, 2012 Share #206 Posted June 22, 2012 The closest analogy to the M14 A/D would be the M34 / A. One thing that always puzzled me, looking at the map, is why the M21 connects with the 14A and 22 but the M14D does not. Is there any particular reason for this? I'm not too sure, but the distance between the 14A/22 and 14D terminals is just a 2-3 block difference. Often times I would see people get off at Avenue C to make their connection to the M14D. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted June 22, 2012 Share #207 Posted June 22, 2012 Several? There are only two... It's mostly 14th Street traffic... does anyone have an idea where 14th street traffic comes from? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted June 22, 2012 Share #208 Posted June 22, 2012 M14C service got eliminated in 2002 btw. It wasn't "eliminated" - Con Ed didn't want buses passing its power station (security risk), so rerouted the "D" branch over the "C" path. Since both branches were doing exactly the same thing, it made no sense to use both letters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted June 22, 2012 Share #209 Posted June 22, 2012 There was an M14C. The M14D used to go straight up Avenue D to 14th St, and and the M14C used the current M14D routing on Avenue C and 10th St. After 9/11, due to fears that an M14 would be used by a terrorist to attack the Con Ed plant at 14th St and Avenue D (or something) the M14D was routed onto the M14C travel path used today, and the M14C was just re-named the M14D. Wow. From the way people were talking about it using Avenue C and the M21 being rerouted as a replacement, I would've thought it went the full length of Avenue C or something. I don't see the point in having 2 branches basically deviate by only a couple of blocks. I think it's better this way. Well quite frankly I couldn't tell you how many there are since I wasn't aware that any had been cut since 2010. I can't think of another local route like the M14 though with the branches thing... So many buses come that it seems like there are several branches because they came bunched sometimes in 4s and I never look to see if it's an A a D or what since I'm not riding it to the end of the line in either direction. There were no cuts involving the M14 in 2010. The thing with the M14C after 9/11 wasn't really a cut, but more of just rerouting the buses (since the service levels basically stayed the same) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted June 22, 2012 Share #210 Posted June 22, 2012 One thing that always puzzled me, looking at the map, is why the M21 connects with the 14A and 22 but the M14D does not. Is there any particular reason for this? To have the truncated M21 appeal to as many riders as it can, since service was taken away from peter cooper vill. & along av C (which that part of the route garnered a good chunk of the old 21's usage)...... The M14D definitely doesn't have problems w/ usage w/i the LES.... and with the M14a already serving FDR/Grand, there's no real reason to send 14D's down there...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astoria Line Posted June 23, 2012 Share #211 Posted June 23, 2012 Speaking of the M14, I do wonder why the buses bunch so much? Is it only because of traffic along 14th or that there are several branches of the M14? Its a mixture of both. Traffic on 14th is terrible and it is a very crowded area as well. They run good on the avenues except the 14A gets stuck in traffic sometimes on Essex between Delancey & Houston due to drives turning on to the Williamsburg Bridge.. LES-bound buses aren't even packed until Union Square.. The scheduling is part of it too, 14D's are real frequent (I have never waited more than 8 minutes for one ever in my 10 years of riding that line) but the traffic bunches them all together. I have always wondered why 14D's get packed while 14A's have barely any passengers btw, but its just like Cait said, the area that the A runs in has more options, while the D is by itself... The 14A/D was just a headache tho, glad I don't have to take them anymore... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted June 23, 2012 Share #212 Posted June 23, 2012 The reason why was because originally it was a M14A-M14C-M14D order. Now they combined the C and D and it is more frequent, thus the M14A-M14D-M14D order 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astoria Line Posted June 23, 2012 Share #213 Posted June 23, 2012 The reason why was because originally it was a M14A-M14C-M14D order. Now they combined the C and D and it is more frequent, thus the M14A-M14D-M14D order That is? That explains it. But there have been occasions that I have seen 5 or 6 14D's before a 14A even comes lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted June 23, 2012 Share #214 Posted June 23, 2012 does anyone have an idea where 14th street traffic comes from? Oh I don't know...maybe 14th Street? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted June 23, 2012 Share #215 Posted June 23, 2012 does anyone have an idea where 14th street traffic comes from? 1. It's the only two-way cross street from the East Side to the Meatpacking District 2. It's the two-way cross street through Greenwich Village 3. It has major intersections with Ave A, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, Broadway, Park, 5th, 6th, 7th, etc. 4. It's only four lanes across, with two lanes of major traffic 5. It goes through Union Square, packed with people 6. It goes through Stuy-Town, packed with people 7. It goes through the Meatpacking District, packed with people 8. It leads to the West Side Highway 9. It leads towards the FDR Drive 10. It's packed with shops and stores on all ends 11. It leads to the Highline, a huge attraction 12. It passes many schools, filled with people 13. It passes hospitals, filled with people 14. Its crosstowns connects with every full up-down Manhattan bus line 15. It's filled with double-parked trucks, vans, and police cars Ya get the idea here? There's traffic. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted June 23, 2012 Share #216 Posted June 23, 2012 does anyone have an idea where 14th street traffic comes from? man, don't attempt to concoct some route that attempts to take vehicular traffic off 14th street..... It won't work.... just like the M14 you want to send all the way to some penn station 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted June 23, 2012 Share #217 Posted June 23, 2012 man, don't attempt to concoct some route that attempts to take vehicular traffic off 14th street..... It won't work.... just like the M14 you want to send all the way to some penn station no need the 2nd ave subway will do just that. Besides loook for my M37 proposal west side hwy nuff said dont jump the gun here you have a habit of doing that 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemoreira81 Posted June 23, 2012 Share #218 Posted June 23, 2012 I posted this in the Brooklyn thread, but it affects a Manhattan route: the M15 local---the short turns that do not go to the Ferry should be rerouted across the Williamsburg Bridge to provide better connections into Manhattan; there are currently no easy connections from Williamsburg to the East Side without using the L train, and this could relieve the L train (in addition to the relief that the M has brought), 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted June 23, 2012 Share #219 Posted June 23, 2012 (edited) no need the 2nd ave subway will do just that. Besides loook for my M37 proposal west side hwy nuff said dont jump the gun here you have a habit of doing that You have a "habit" of making stupid proposals..... One less proposal out of you on here is a victory for this entire forum..... ...and the 2nd av subway won't take traffic off no 14th street.... that traffic is going nowhere.... 2nd av will relieve the severe overcrowding that currently takes place on the Lex.... so try again.... I posted this in the Brooklyn thread, but it affects a Manhattan route: the M15 local---the short turns that do not go to the Ferry should be rerouted across the Williamsburg Bridge to provide better connections into Manhattan; there are currently no easy connections from Williamsburg to the East Side without using the L train, and this could relieve the L train (in addition to the relief that the M has brought) Yeah, a few people on here have made that suggestion in the past.... The only question is, how often would/should the M15 local short-turns even run to (wherever you want to send it in Brooklyn).... Edited June 23, 2012 by B35 via Church 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted June 23, 2012 Share #220 Posted June 23, 2012 Aside from that question, how reliable would the M15 be? The B39 was more like a shuttle and I think that maybe that's why it was created... The serve as a reliable bus route across the Williamsburg Bridge. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgor Posted June 23, 2012 Share #221 Posted June 23, 2012 I posted this in the Brooklyn thread, but it affects a Manhattan route: the M15 local---the short turns that do not go to the Ferry should be rerouted across the Williamsburg Bridge to provide better connections into Manhattan; there are currently no easy connections from Williamsburg to the East Side without using the L train, and this could relieve the L train (in addition to the relief that the M has brought), No. If anything make a separate route for that. I do NOT want to be on an M15 and because I wasn't paying attention when I got on, I end up in Brooklyn and get SEVERELY delayed. No. Plus the variable traffic levels will cause delays. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted June 23, 2012 Share #222 Posted June 23, 2012 No. If anything make a separate route for that. I do NOT want to be on an M15 and because I wasn't paying attention when I got on, I end up in Brooklyn and get SEVERELY delayed. No. Plus the variable traffic levels will cause delays. The driver could always announce that the next stop will be in Brooklyn (and if you get off, it'll basically be the same thing as getting off a short-turn now). If you're not paying attention at that point, then it's on you. It's like the people who fall asleep on the S89 and end up in Bayonne: It's not the MTA's fault you overslept and missed your stop. As far as the traffic levels go, it could always be every other short-turn or something like that. no need the 2nd ave subway will do just that. Besides loook for my M37 proposal west side hwy nuff said dont jump the gun here you have a habit of doing that What the hell does a subway going down Second Avenue have to do with 14th Street????? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted June 23, 2012 Share #223 Posted June 23, 2012 What the hell does a subway going down Second Avenue have to do with 14th Street????? He only said that as a lame comeback to my earlier retort to him.... He knew he was gonna think up some route that would attempt to alleviate traffic along 14th.... Damn near everytime he asks where traffic comes from on a particular street, some route idea proceeds it...... If drawing a parallel between 14th st traffic & the 2nd av subway is his idea of vindication, well let him have at it.... Lol.... Aside from that question, how reliable would the M15 be? The B39 was more like a shuttle and I think that maybe that's why it was created... The serve as a reliable bus route across the Williamsburg Bridge. Well, it's obvious that those M15's would be less reliable than those that would/do end at the current short turn location over along pike.... Which is why I wouldn't have all, or even most of the short turns going to Brooklyn..... As far as the B39, I don't think anyone's saying that moving some of the short turn M15's to Brooklyn is a better idea than simply having a shuttle run back & forth b/w the boroughs like the old B39 did.... As thick-headed (and frugal) as the MTA is, they're not going to bring the B39 back though, unfortunately..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted June 26, 2012 Share #224 Posted June 26, 2012 He only said that as a lame comeback to my earlier retort to him.... He knew he was gonna think up some route that would attempt to alleviate traffic along 14th.... Damn near everytime he asks where traffic comes from on a particular street, some route idea proceeds it...... If drawing a parallel between 14th st traffic & the 2nd av subway is his idea of vindication, well let him have at it.... Lol.... Well, it's obvious that those M15's would be less reliable than those that would/do end at the current short turn location over along pike.... Which is why I wouldn't have all, or even most of the short turns going to Brooklyn..... As far as the B39, I don't think anyone's saying that moving some of the short turn M15's to Brooklyn is a better idea than simply having a shuttle run back & forth b/w the boroughs like the old B39 did.... As thick-headed (and frugal) as the MTA is, they're not going to bring the B39 back though, unfortunately..... Well The MTA eliminated the old M15 branch in 2010. This would totally contradict what they were trying to do. Of course they would use the M9 and revamp it almost entirely, only part of the orginal routing left is Essex Street and Houston street up to Ave B 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted June 26, 2012 Share #225 Posted June 26, 2012 Well The MTA eliminated the old M15 branch in 2010. This would totally contradict what they were trying to do. Of course they would use the M9 and revamp it almost entirely, only part of the orginal routing left is Essex Street and Houston street up to Ave B It wouldn't totally contradict it b/c there wouldn't be anywhere near as many buses going to brooklyn than as many M15's that ended at park row.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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