XcelsiorBoii4888 Posted April 30, 2012 #1 Posted April 30, 2012 The front gates on R62A's on the ...will the MTA remove those and put chains to make it look 21st century, the would look nice without the front gates? Anyone know if this is possible??
NYCtrainfan01 Posted April 30, 2012 #2 Posted April 30, 2012 I doubt it. Plus why fix what isn't broken? It's fine the way it is in my opinion.
Roadcruiser1 Posted April 30, 2012 #3 Posted April 30, 2012 No. Enough with that stuff. They will get replaced in the next decade.
Brighton Express Posted April 30, 2012 #4 Posted April 30, 2012 You gotta be serious. Without the gates, the R62 wouldn't be the ish. Plus they ADDED gates to the R40 when is was still here.
m7zanr160s Posted April 30, 2012 #5 Posted April 30, 2012 I don't mind the gates or pantographs, or whatever you want to call them. I just wish they'd push the ones on the ends of train back. R32s too.
Brighton Express Posted April 30, 2012 #6 Posted April 30, 2012 I don't mind the gates or pantographs, or whatever you want to call them. I just wish they'd push the ones on the ends of train back. R32s too. Bro. Pantographs give power to trains. They are located on the top.
Gong Gahou Posted April 30, 2012 #7 Posted April 30, 2012 I don't mind the gates or pantographs, or whatever you want to call them. I just wish they'd push the ones on the ends of train back. R32s too. Bro. Pantographs give power to trains. They are located on the top. Actually, both of you are correct. They both have the same name.
BrooklynIRT Posted April 30, 2012 #8 Posted April 30, 2012 Technically the protective gates are called pantograph gates. Not to be confused with baloney springs of course, which are used in lieu of the pantograph gates on many cars. The very basic definition of pantograph (y'all can look up the real one yourselves) is just a projection. In this case the pantograph gates project the bars outward from the end of the car. The bars can be pulled back and tied down and are spring loaded so that they stay in the 'projected' (not contracted/tied back) position. Roof-mounted pantographs are called this because they also project bars outward. Just the design is different and these are actually used to power the cars that have them. When cars with pantograph gates at the ends are manufactured, the gates are always tied down prior to delivery. Probably the same for the roof pantographs. Makes sense as it inhibits damage to them. This is a bit off-topic, but I noticed something cool about the baloney springs when inspecting a R142 very closely about a month ago. R142As have it and I am sure all other NTTs have it. If you look very closely at the front of the car, you will notice how the edge connecting the front face and the side of the car is rounded. Now take a look at the part of the edge that is closest to the anticlimber. See something missing? There is a gap because the flap that holds the bottom baloney spring is missing. Each baloney spring on the NTTs is actually held in place under a locked flap when not in use. If you can get close to a NTT at some point (especially at a terminal) and look closely at the edge between the front face and side of the car you will see three flaps with key holes on them. The baloney springs that are not in use are under those flaps. So that means that whenever cars are uncoupled or coupled, personnel has to use a key to either open a flap, pull out a baloney spring, and hook it onto the pair of cars/hooks to be coupled, or place the baloney springs under the flaps and lock them after uncoupling cars. This is why the unused baloney springs are never visible on the fronts of NTTs but tend to be visible on older units with baloney springs (R46, R68 etc) and are just hooked across part of the end face when not in use:
Brighton Express Posted April 30, 2012 #9 Posted April 30, 2012 We have to also consider the NTTs that upgraded from no gates to gates, with one exception. The R40(S/M) made the upgrade to gates from v1. Also, they made the door windows smaller, removed the EXP/LCL lights, and changed the rollsigns. The M7 always had gates, and so did the M8, not really upgrades. It does not really matter whether they remove the gates, and like RoadCrusier said, the R62(A)s are almost gone. The R188s are coming to replace it, and there is already talk about this R211 coming that I have heard from Lance.
Grand Concourse Posted April 30, 2012 #10 Posted April 30, 2012 R62As are just moving to the Mainline. None of them are being retired. And with the extension, they will need a few extra trains around.
Kamen Rider Posted April 30, 2012 #11 Posted April 30, 2012 I don't see the 62s going until atleast 2025.
mark1447 Posted April 30, 2012 #12 Posted April 30, 2012 Actually, both of you are correct. They both have the same name. Yep its Pantograph, not Gate. For the Gates itself on the R62A or other car, I don't see a purpose of replacing them. They are fine how it is. I acually like em! R62As are just moving to the Mainline. None of them are being retired. And with the extension, they will need a few extra trains around. But if they have addional R62As around, would that even work with CBTC?
LTA1992 Posted April 30, 2012 #13 Posted April 30, 2012 He meant the couple of R188 trains that will be built along with the R188 C cars.
Jamaica Line Posted April 30, 2012 #14 Posted April 30, 2012 The 32s suit the pantograph gates well, same for the 62s/62As. As for the rest of the fleet, not so much.
Brighton Express Posted April 30, 2012 #15 Posted April 30, 2012 The R160 would look meh if it had Pa5 gates.
FriedChikkin Posted April 30, 2012 #16 Posted April 30, 2012 But if they have addional R62As around, would that even work with CBTC? Yes. CBTC-disabled R-160s were running alongside the CBTC-enabled R-143s for a long time on the .
Art Vandelay Posted April 30, 2012 #17 Posted April 30, 2012 No, the 7 will have to be entirely R188 with CBTC when CBTC goes into full effect.
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