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Brooklyn Division Bus Proposals/Ideas

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8 hours ago, Lil 57 said:

I'm planning a trip to LA and noticed that the silver line bus route is a full-fledged on BRT highway route with separate lanes and stations on the highway. Seeing this, I was thinking if a BRT route via the BQE/Gowanus would be beneficial with its own lanes and stations. Express buses would also use these lanes to speed to Manhattan without car traffic. I was thinking of a route that started in Bay Ridge (with a spur to Grasmere, SI) and took the BRT route via the BQE/Gowanus to Flushing, Queens via LaGuardia Airport. I know that this would take a while to build but I think that it would become beneficial in the long run.

Also in LA they have bigger highways + infrastructure and they can support that.  Forget that notion in New York City where people think they are privileged and the governor can’t get his s*it together with the (MTA) 

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1 hour ago, Future ENY OP said:

Also in LA they have bigger highways + infrastructure and they can support that.  Forget that notion in New York City where people think they are privileged and the governor can’t get his s*it together with the (MTA) 

True, but for all that infrastructure investment, the Silver Line is not exactly producing a great return. For a route to only average around 16,000 weekday, with MTA-level Peak headways sub-10 minutes, in a place where car-culture is very strong (even though it's populated with those hypocrite 'eco-warriors' that should be using LACMTA instead of exempting themselves) -- not really anything to crow about. Weekends operate 20 minutes on a "BRT" line, and doing a WAG of maybe 8,000 customers riding, that just doesn't add up IMO.

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17 minutes ago, DetSMART45 said:

True, but for all that infrastructure investment, the Silver Line is not exactly producing a great return. For a route to only average around 16,000 weekday, with MTA-level Peak headways sub-10 minutes, in a place where car-culture is very strong (even though it's populated with those hypocrite 'eco-warriors' that should be using LACMTA instead of exempting themselves) -- not really anything to crow about. Weekends operate 20 minutes on a "BRT" line, and doing a WAG of maybe 8,000 customers riding, that just doesn't add up IMO.

La has to do a better job promoting public transit. Everyone is so confined to their cars which leads to more traffic and crappy bus service at long headways. New Yorkers however tend to be more open into using public transit.

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On 5/14/2019 at 10:10 AM, Lil 57 said:

La has to do a better job promoting public transit. Everyone is so confined to their cars which leads to more traffic and crappy bus service at long headways. New Yorkers however tend to be more open into using public transit.

The metro area appears to be an outlier when it comes to mass transit. You have to realize that unlike most of the rest of the USA, sprawl is not possible in NYC, forcing things to go up instead of out (NYC is a city on islands, except for the Bronx). Heck, a 700-foot building in midtown is being demolished to replace it with a 1,000-foot one (the replacement was approved last week). Because of that, you can only have so many cars, requiring mass transit.

In the USA, outside of Greater New York, the idea is that mass transit is a welfare system and you don't need frequent service into the suburbs.

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7 hours ago, aemoreira81 said:

The metro area appears to be an outlier when it comes to mass transit. You have to realize that unlike most of the rest of the USA, sprawl is not possible in NYC, forcing things to go up instead of out (NYC is a city on islands, except for the Bronx). Heck, a 700-foot building in midtown is being demolished to replace it with a 1,000-foot one (the replacement was approved last week). Because of that, you can only have so many cars, requiring mass transit.

In the USA, outside of Greater New York, the idea is that mass transit is a welfare system and you don't need frequent service into the suburbs.

But remember that all of this car traffic is worsening CO2 emissions Too many cars in society, sitting in traffic is bad for the environment. That's why cities are promoting public transit.

Here's a video that explains more.

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On ‎5‎/‎16‎/‎2019 at 7:07 AM, Lil 57 said:

But remember that all of this car traffic is worsening CO2 emissions

Too many cars in society, sitting in traffic is bad for the environment. That's why cities are promoting public transit.......

Quite sure the environmental angle isn't lost on anyone here...

Not to insinuate that you believe the contrary, but to reinforce the point, he's (AEMoreira's) right though - There has long been a knock on public transportation, in that it only exists for those that aren't well off enough to afford "their own" (personal vehicle).... It is that very stigma that has to be shaken; the bus is even seen as more of a welfare wagon than the train is, and that's part of the reason why I'm more vocal when it comes to buses.....

Unpopular opinion #3: Major cities (some more than others, obviously) are doing their part.... While you're not going to get too much of anybody opting to move there to primarily use public transit, it is the Suburbs that need to start promoting public transit.... I mean FFS, Bee line has buses running in one of the richest towns in the nation (Scarsdale) & those folks were/are actually pretty vocal about their BL-63 too.... That's one reason I tend to favor Bee Line & Westchester county in general..... As opposed to out here in Nassau county, pfft..... No reason like places like Syosset & OB (Oyster Bay) shouldn't have bus service (to give a NY Metro area example)....

 

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45 minutes ago, Lil 57 said:

Without considering the obstacles that would render this impossible, there is WAY too much highway, on all routes. Most of these routes also end up missing ridership generators along the way for that reason alone. I don't see how a bus on Shore Parkway is suppose to get more riders than the B1. 3rd Avenue in Sunset Park is mainly in the industrial zone, so I also fail to see what riders would come from these areas.  Additionally, if your R4 isn't stopping inside (or closer to) Gateway Center, I don't even see the point of stopping there. Realistically, I don't see people trekking with bags to Shore Parkway. 

Yes, the bus network needs to be re-modernized, but this isn't the way to do it. What good are bus lanes if very few people are going to use it? 

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2 hours ago, Lil 57 said:

This is basically trying to emulate some other cities without taking their points of success/failure into substantial consideration.

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8 hours ago, Lil 57 said:

Your map simply makes it more conspicuous that Brooklyn's highway network f***ing sucks...

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9 hours ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

Yes, the bus network needs to be re-modernized, but this isn't the way to do it. What good are bus lanes if very few people are going to use it? 

If the (MTA) could only enforce the bus Lanes better (especially in Manhattan). SBS would be a good answer. These are the only highway networks in Brooklyn to put a BRT on. Unless if you want to dig underground and stuff to make a BRT system. Or use abandoned railways like what is being done in SI.

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