NJT proposals/ideas thread 2012-2013

[DaTransitMan4608]

really via 440 or near it wow

You make it sound as if that's a bad thing. Which it isn't.

 

PATH is still part of the transit network so ignoring it is STUPID.

We're talking about the light rail here. Not PATH.

 

Try extending journal sq line over rte 440 as underground or elevated.

 

That's a huge inconvenience. You're better off just letting my light rail do its job.

 

WELL currently no bus exists on rte 440 lets try one and see how it goes if it gets crushed replace it with PATH extension beyond journal sq then merge fare structures.

 

If the bus gets crowded then build the light rail. Extending the PATH to 440 sounds really stupid and pointless.

[qjtransitmaster]

 

You make it sound as if that's a bad thing. Which it isn't.

 

 

We're talking about the light rail here. Not PATH.

 

That's a huge inconvenience. You're better off just letting my light rail do its job.

 

If the bus gets crowded then build the light rail. Extending the PATH to 440 sounds really stupid and pointless.

 

I never said rail there was bad but I was like is it needed lets see. There is no ROW so the cost may knock it down. Huge inconvenience err you have to be joking they are both rail killing your argument. Light rail tracks aren't that different from PATH so if rail is needed just take existing PATH and extend 33rd -jsq done. Instead of complicating things with new tracks to jsq fro. hoboken. PATH is part of NJ hudson's transit network and shouldn't be ignored. If you propose serving an area from places PATH doesn't reach HBLR is good but from journal sq south is better off as PATH as it already heads from hoboken and links to HBLR. Same when you tried a new njt line that copied suburban ignoring existing lines. HBLR via 440 from journal sq is equally as pointless. On second thought the better idea would be to let PATH stay elevated but in a way widen 440 so it won't mess with road traffic Edited December 5, 2012 by qjtransitmaster

[DaTransitMan4608]

Huge inconvenience err you have to be joking they are both rail killing your argument.

The Port Authority barely gives a s**t about the PATH as it is, I seriously doubt they're going to expand their Jersey City PATH network when all they're concerned about right now is raising the tolls by a quarter every chance they get. But that's another discussion for another thread. The closest thing to the PATH that the PA seems or seemed to be concerned about was extending it to the Airport. Plus that's only been studied and we don't even know when they're going to start construction for it.

 

Same when you tried a new njt line that copied suburban ignoring existing lines.

That line was supposed to be an alternative. Not a copy. Alternatives are the reason the bus systems in the greater Newark/Jersey City area prosper moreso than the systems South of there.

 

HBLR via 440 from journal sq is equally as pointless.

 

It's funny because you're the only one who thinks that.

[qjtransitmaster]

The Port Authority barely gives a s**t about the PATH as it is, I seriously doubt they're going to expand their Jersey City PATH network when all they're concerned about right now is raising the tolls by a quarter every chance they get. But that's another discussion for another thread. The closest thing to the PATH that the PA seems or seemed to be concerned about was extending it to the Airport. Plus that's only been studied and we don't even know when they're going to start construction for it.

 

 

That line was supposed to be an alternative. Not a copy. Alternatives are the reason the bus systems in the greater Newark/Jersey City area prosper moreso than the systems South of there.

 

It's funny because you're the only one who thinks that.

 

Interesting you raise a good argument Interesting but that line may be cheaper to build if PATH handles it. But as a last resort I would say the HBLR could be done as a last resort. Alternatives are not copys. Many of your lines with many exceptions were copy lines remember the hopewell via rte 27 that was a copy. South just has an incomplete network of lines that don't form a grid. Lack of cross lines and regional connections hurt the network as a whole. I may comment on em soon.

[qjtransitmaster]

SJ:

 

New 416 rte 73 line to berlin from philly to franklin mills mall off-peak. At rush a variant will go to business parks along academy road and byberry. 416 B rush hours and another 416 F to frankford transit center. The reason for franklin mills is to link to as many unique SEPTA lines as possible from 73 corridor. At riverline station transfers will be available to a line to frankford transit center at offpeak SEPTA's 8 will extend and absorb Burlink B9 split between lenola and church st to morestown mall. No weekend service added until ridership warrants. The 8 is a LTD stop line that links 2 major hubs fern rock and frankford terminal this makes service on rte 73 corridor.

 

But 416 will be every 30 to 20 mins in NJ but every other on weekends will go to frankford terminal Or franklin mills mall there is the 50 for links to the casino. 416 will end in berlin.

 

Restructuring of other lines later as I forgot a few I will look em up in my book.

[mfs NJT459]

SJ:

 

New 416 rte 73 line to berlin from philly to franklin mills mall off-peak. At rush a variant will go to business parks along academy road and byberry. 416 B rush hours and another 416 F to frankford transit center. The reason for franklin mills is to link to as many unique SEPTA lines as possible from 73 corridor. At riverline station transfers will be available to a line to frankford transit center at offpeak SEPTA's 8 will extend and absorb Burlink B9 split between lenola and church st to morestown mall. No weekend service added until ridership warrants. The 8 is a LTD stop line that links 2 major hubs fern rock and frankford terminal this makes service on rte 73 corridor.

 

But 416 will be every 30 to 20 mins in NJ but every other on weekends will go to frankford terminal Or franklin mills mall there is the 50 for links to the casino. 416 will end in berlin.

 

Restructuring of other lines later as I forgot a few I will look em up in my book.

 

 

can we not involve NJT bus routes that go to places in PA other than Philly? 416 sounds way to confusing for passangers...

[qjtransitmaster]

can we not involve NJT bus routes that go to places in PA other than Philly? 416 sounds way to confusing for passangers...

 

you are right maybe the variants will be called 420 and 421 to eliminate confusion the reason is that 416 on rte 73 crosses many philly bound lines like 417/409 and riverline to PATCO. And ect reducing actual need to go to center city itself.

[DaTransitMan4608]

you are right maybe the variants will be called 420

Lol I don't think you should call it the 420. All I'm gonna say is there's a lot of immature-minded people out there who will call it "the pothead bus" just because of its number.

[qjtransitmaster]

Lol I don't think you should call it the 420. All I'm gonna say is there's a lot of immature-minded people out there who will call it "the pothead bus" just because of its number.

 

ouch 420 is a bad number yeah reminds me of MD MTA 420 rte 40 pot line HA

[DaTransitMan4608]

118: Piscataway Township-New York

https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=208174968748802406451.0004d098f02b641c51978&msa=0&ll=40.585278,-74.069824&spn=0.442202,1.056747

Edited December 11, 2012 by Transitkid4608

[qjtransitmaster]

can NJT afford new routes everywhere?

[DaTransitMan4608]

can NJT afford new routes everywhere?

 

What does that have to do with anything? If they get some financial assistance, then yeah anything's possible.

[qjtransitmaster]

What does that have to do with anything? If they get some financial assistance, then yeah anything's possible.

 

ok but within current boundaries till 2014

[qjtransitmaster]

SJ reshaping 405 and 404

 

404 replaces 457's segment between rte 38 and moorestown mall.

 

457 streamlined to stay on kings hwy directly to moorestown mall.

 

404 to haddonfield and absorbs 451 up untill virtura w jersey hospital.

[B35 via Church]

Don't know where else to put this, and I don't feel like creating a thread just for this......

It's not a proposal or anything.....

 

Just got word that NJT has a #304 running up to Mountain Creek from PABT.....

My question is: Is the 1 trip (each way) on the #304 a #194 variant? Or does the #194 & this special #304 both run up there?

[BZGuy]

The 304 is the variant of the 194. I heard there were issues last year with people getting on the wrong 194.

[B35 via Church]

The 304 is the variant of the 194. I heard there were issues last year with people getting on the wrong 194.

 

I see....

 

alright, thanks.

[MarkD329]

SJ reshaping 405 and 404

 

404 replaces 457's segment between rte 38 and moorestown mall.

 

457 streamlined to stay on kings hwy directly to moorestown mall.

 

404 to haddonfield and absorbs 451 up untill virtura w jersey hospital.

 

 

You probably mean:

 

405 replaces 457's segment between RT. 38 and Moorestown Mall

Don't forget to add service to Target/Kohls at Hillview Shopping Center across from Cherry Hill Mall

 

457 Streamlined to stay on Kings Hwy directly to Moorestown Mall

Drop Camden-Gloucester City segment [except for pull-outs and pull ins], route via Kings Hwy, Lenola Rd, loop on Nixon Dr, enter onto Ring rd to the main bus stop, then on Lenola Rd, Cinnaminson Ave to Palmyra RiverLINE station.

 

404 To Haddonfield and absorbs 451 up to Virtua W.Jersey Hospital

NOPE - 455 does that job OK, Viurtua W. Jersey Hospital is now closed, replaced by the new huge complex on Rt. 73 in Voorhees.

That hospital needs route to run to Voorhees Town Center and Lindenwold PATCO [proposed 458].

404 needs to go down Haddonfield Rd, Marlton Pike, Cornell Ave to Cherry Hill ACRL station.

[qjtransitmaster]

You probably mean:

 

405 replaces 457's segment between RT. 38 and Moorestown Mall

Don't forget to add service to Target/Kohls at Hillview Shopping Center across from Cherry Hill Mall

 

457 Streamlined to stay on Kings Hwy directly to Moorestown Mall

Drop Camden-Gloucester City segment [except for pull-outs and pull ins], route via Kings Hwy, Lenola Rd, loop on Nixon Dr, enter onto Ring rd to the main bus stop, then on Lenola Rd, Cinnaminson Ave to Palmyra RiverLINE station.FYI you have to kill off burlink B9 first.

404 To Haddonfield and absorbs 451 up to Virtua W.Jersey Hospital

NOPE - 455 does that job OK, Viurtua W. Jersey Hospital is now closed, replaced by the new huge complex on Rt. 73 in Voorhees.

That hospital needs route to run to Voorhees Town Center and Lindenwold PATCO [proposed 458].

404 needs to go down Haddonfield Rd, Marlton Pike, Cornell Ave to Cherry Hill ACRL station.

 

My 459 extension nullifies the need for 458 as it will serve the hospital and lindenwood PATCO and Voorhees town center and absorb 413 segment that used to even be a separate line.

 

404 will then just end at the loop then. replacing 451 killing that line off.

 

I agree with dropping camden gloucester segment but another idea is have it go via bridgeboro rd to us 130 then replace 409 between burlington and robling Riverline with 409 dropping that segment.

Red reply.

Edited December 29, 2012 by qjtransitmaster

[checkmatechamp13]

I don't think this was mentioned before (and it has to do with rail rather than buses), but I came across this thread, where somebody mentioned adding a few stops to the Atlantic City Rail Line. I didn't realize that it passed right through the North Philadelphia station, which is a large hub for SEPTA trains. It also passes a couple of blocks from the Tioga station on the MFL. Both of those could be good sites for a new station. The North Philly station especially would provide easier access to Temple University.

[qjtransitmaster]

I don't think this was mentioned before (and it has to do with rail rather than buses), but I came across this thread, where somebody mentioned adding a few stops to the Atlantic City Rail Line. I didn't realize that it passed right through the North Philadelphia station, which is a large hub for SEPTA trains. It also passes a couple of blocks from the Tioga station on the MFL. Both of those could be good sites for a new station. The North Philly station especially would provide easier access to Temple University.

 

how about just north philly as north philly has a platform already.

[checkmatechamp13]

how about just north philly as north philly has a platform already.

 

 

Well, obviously the North Philadelphia station should be more of a priority, but I can still see the benefits of building a Kensington station. It would probably be the same as that Pennsauken Transit Center they're building (I think they're already building it, right?) in terms of how useful it would be.

[qjtransitmaster]

Well, obviously the North Philadelphia station should be more of a priority, but I can still see the benefits of building a Kensington station. It would probably be the same as that Pennsauken Transit Center they're building (I think they're already building it, right?) in terms of how useful it would be.

 

pennsahauken will be very useful as ppl near the rail line will have direct access to business parks there AND a faster trip to trenton!!!!!!! Kensington NAHHHH the line is slow enough. Edited December 29, 2012 by qjtransitmaster

[SirJokaPlaya]

What does that have to do with anything? If they get some financial assistance, then yeah anything's possible.

 

Federal Funding as long as the need is there, then NJT can make routes anywhere.

118: Piscataway Township-New York

https://maps.google....442202,1.056747

 

 

I actually like this idea. One question is that if the line was to get really popular and people needed a 118X, would you consider making it start at Rutgers, proceed as normal, then when you get to the intersection of I-287 and New Durham Road, you would turn left onto 287 then to the NJ Turnpike and proceed to PABT, as well as a reverse route? Similar to a 166X (instead of going through Blvd East and Leonia, you start in Bergenfield) ?

[qjtransitmaster]

Federal Funding as long as the need is there, then NJT can make routes anywhere.

 

 

I actually like this idea. One question is that if the line was to get really popular and people needed a 118X, would you consider making it start at Rutgers, proceed as normal, then when you get to the intersection of I-287 and New Durham Road, you would turn left onto 287 then to the NJ Turnpike and proceed to PABT, as well as a reverse route? Similar to a 166X (instead of going through Blvd East and Leonia, you start in Bergenfield) ?

 

I wouldn't even bother with rte 27 I would rather have it on rte 1 mind you most of my NJT plan NOT ALL was actually meant to soften the blow of NJT service cuts!!! However at the time I didn't have the level of understanding needed to carry on with a proper service proposal. So most of it created new lines but their originss in north jersey would share terminals with several frequent lines allowing occasional interlining while they would then proceed to monmouth and devour and replace many 800s protecting em from cuts and increasing ridership with new riders plus current riders. I used formulas based on some planner to determine minimum ridership of new restructured lines.