B3 Via Av U Posted June 29, 2012 Share #51 Posted June 29, 2012 The 60th St Tube is crowded but Astoria needs the service so that's how it has to be. I wonder if you could mess around with the headways so that the could fit into Ditmars. However, there might be a possibility that, with so many trains, you could send a FEW through the Astoria Express in peak direction. Please don't flame this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted June 29, 2012 Share #52 Posted June 29, 2012 I wonder if you could mess around with the headways so that the could fit into Ditmars. However, there might be a possibility that, with so many trains, you could send a FEW through the Astoria Express in peak direction. Please don't flame this. The did it from 2001-'02 with the and during the Manhattan Bridge detours that closed the 6th ave tracks. Astoria riders went nuts since majority of Astoria line riders board at "Local" stops i.e Broadway-31st Street, 30rd Avenue, etc. Only way you can send a few trains over "express" tracks is it a handful of special trains i.e . Similar to how rush hours a couple of trains start/end their trips at New Lots. Otherwise it wont work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted June 29, 2012 Share #53 Posted June 29, 2012 Having the W on 4th ave WILL NOT WORK, DO YOU GUYS RIDE BROADWAY DURING RUSH HOURS, having the N,Q and R in the 60th st tube screws up all 3 lines, the used about 14 train sets from 2004-10 when it when to whitehall st, having the go down 4th ave will not work due to the fact it shares tracks with the R, adding more R service will not work, they added more R service already, the 60th st tube is maxed out already, you add more R trains you will have more delays, THATS why the was brought up, skip stop will not be affected if the goes to 9th ave, I ride (J)/(Z) most of the time, it won't mess it up, the uses less cars than the having a 8 car train on the 4th ave Local would give riders another choice to lower manhattan via nassau st, if you have the go down via whitehall with the , it won't help, it would make it worse, THATS WHY THE TA brought up the , the to 9th ave rumor was STARTED IN THE TA not from some random rail fans, the (M)/(V) combo was a foamer idea and GUESS WHAT it Helped in the out run because we have the current , you guys don't know how the broadway line work, i used to take it everyday during rush hour and it was hell, and if you want to add more trains have selected 's go via 63rd st, thats the only way, until then the extended would be the best choice since you have a surplus of 60" SMEE's and you can have them in an 8 car train, this is why i hate explaining to half of you, because you guys to me don't know shit, ride the and see how everything is put in front of it, skip stop service they want to get rid of, but they can't since it works out well on the (J)/(Z), all they would do is modify it, and theres enough trains to turn the around, there are 6 trains all together If the was extended, the increase would be rolled back. Then, running together on 4th Ave. would be no problem, as they ran together in Manhattan. Or, they could increase the further and the , so that the could stay on the express, and the terminate at 57th again. That would have made the most sense, but they're trying to keep Astoria having two services, one express and one local. What I would think would be best, is just that, plus the 4 min. to Broad (replacing skip-stop), and then the be changed into the new banker's special. (giving it its own separate identity). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted June 29, 2012 Share #54 Posted June 29, 2012 Again the to South Brooklyn would also relieve the IRT. It isn't making any sense. The and runs down Lower Manhattan and connects it to Midtown and Brooklyn. These counterarguments make no sense. The and the isn't going down to South Brooklyn. There isn't a demand for it. Plus extending either of them will ruin the current skip stop service. There is no demand for a Banker's special anymore. The Nassau Street Loop and everything that was built down there was built at a time when the population of New York was concentrated at Lower Manhattan and that is no longer the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvega961 Posted June 29, 2012 Share #55 Posted June 29, 2012 Having the on 4th ave WILL NOT WORK, DO YOU GUYS RIDE BROADWAY DURING RUSH HOURS, having the , and in the 60th st tube screws up all 3 lines, the used about 14 train sets from 2004-10 when it when to whitehall st, having the W go down 4th ave will not work due to the fact it shares tracks with the , adding more service will not work, they added more service already, the 60th st tube is maxed out already, you add more trains you will have more delays, THATS why the J was brought up, skip stop will not be affected if the J goes to 9th ave, I ride (J)/(Z) most of the time, it won't mess it up, the J uses less cars than the having a 8 car train on the 4th ave Local would give riders another choice to lower manhattan via nassau st, if you have the go down via whitehall with the , it won't help, it would make it worse, THATS WHY THE TA brought up the J, the J to 9th ave rumor was STARTED IN THE TA not from some random rail fans, the (M)/(V) combo was a foamer idea and GUESS WHAT it Helped in the out run because we have the current , you guys don't know how the broadway line work, i used to take it everyday during rush hour and it was hell, and if you want to add more R trains have selected R's go via 63rd st, thats the only way, until then the extended J would be the best choice since you have a surplus of 60" SMEE's and you can have them in an 8 car train, this is why i hate explaining to half of you, because you guys to me don't know shit, ride the R and see how everything is put in front of it, skip stop service they want to get rid of, but they can't since it works out well on the (J)/(Z), all they would do is modify it, and theres enough trains to turn the Z around, there are 6 Z trains all together Who the hell said the was going back to Astoria again? there are more terminals for trains to come out of in Manhattan than Queens. Hell you can have the start at 57 or 42. With the amount of delays the , and trains have already down Broadway, you can send a couple W's from there. And plus i'm not going to argue with the being extended. y'all can figure that out yourself's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTimer Posted June 29, 2012 Share #56 Posted June 29, 2012 There is some fanaticism with some sort of Nassau service going to Brooklyn just because the track connection exists and it has gone there before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted June 29, 2012 Share #57 Posted June 29, 2012 Of all the subway cuts the MTA made two years ago, I have to agree with everyone who is calling for the W to come back. The Broadway Line ran much better when the W was there. With the N running local, you now have a choke point at Prince St where the N switches to/from the express tracks. There is almost always a delay outside Prince. There are also delays at 34th St all the time with the more-frequent Q switching to/from the local tracks there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted June 29, 2012 Share #58 Posted June 29, 2012 Who the hell said the was going back to Astoria again? there are more terminals for trains to come out of in Manhattan than Queens. Hell you can have the start at 57 or 42. With the amount of delays the , and trains have already down Broadway, you can send a couple W's from there. And plus i'm not going to argue with the being extended. y'all can figure that out yourself's. Astoria is the most logical place for the W to start/end if comes back. If it does, the Q would go back to originating at 57th St. That is, until the three 2nd Ave stops open for service. Why have the W start/end at 57th or 42nd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lance Posted June 29, 2012 Share #59 Posted June 29, 2012 After giving it some thought, I can see why the W-line could and would be brought back. The Broadway line is quite a mess as it currently stands. And if there is some type of Broadway thru West End via Whitehall service created, even if it's rush hours only, it would be easier for the riders to comprehend that said W-trains run to 9 Av (or wherever they decide to terminate the line) than it would be if, let's say selected R-trains run via the West End line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvega961 Posted June 29, 2012 Share #60 Posted June 29, 2012 Astoria is the most logical place for the W to start/end if comes back. If it does, the Q would go back to originating at 57th St. That is, until the three 2nd Ave stops open for service. Why have the W start/end at 57th or 42nd? I agree, but in all honestly it's nice having the go to Astoria lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted June 29, 2012 Share #61 Posted June 29, 2012 Wow SMH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrivera Posted June 30, 2012 Share #62 Posted June 30, 2012 There is some fanaticism with some sort of Nassau service going to Brooklyn just because the track connection exists and it has gone there before. And to think before the fanaticism was about the Chrystie connection... go figure. I think it makes more sense to have a Broadway line supplement 4th Avenue operationally and logistically going forward. Remember the R179 order is coming up soon. Eventually the will need some more cars for 2nd Avenue service and a few R46's might go to SI. I'm not a rocket scientist but one would think that most of those R179's would need to be in 10-car configurations. Bottom line: When the R179's come in, there probably won't be enough 8-car trains to support the going to 9th Avenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted June 30, 2012 Share #63 Posted June 30, 2012 Assuming the comes back, that would obviously mean the goes back to being express on broadway and the is back to 57 Street all the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted June 30, 2012 Share #64 Posted June 30, 2012 I highly doubt the or the will ever end up in South Brooklyn. It is not going to happen. The ridership doesn't merit it. You can easily see that from looking back at the old . It would most likely be from the which will run to Bay Parkway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nu1116 Posted June 30, 2012 Share #65 Posted June 30, 2012 I highly doubt the or the will ever end up in South Brooklyn. It is not going to happen. The ridership doesn't merit it. You can easily see that from looking back at the old . It would most likely be from the which will run to Bay Parkway. I really don't think ridership of the West End deserves a second service. Except for 55th St, ridership on the D-train-only stations is decreasing in 2011. (even 55th St itself didn't increase much) Extending the to 9th Ave is adequate. (If the MTA wants it back and wants to run it to Brooklyn...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted June 30, 2012 Share #66 Posted June 30, 2012 I really don't think ridership of the West End deserves a second service. Except for 55th St, ridership on the D-train-only stations is decreasing in 2011. (even 55th St itself didn't increase much) Extending the to 9th Ave is adequate. (If the MTA wants it back and wants to run it to Brooklyn...) Even if it doesn't run on the West End Line I think it would be helpful to have it run on the Sea Beach Line with the . South Brooklyn could use a second service to back it up in case of construction and etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted June 30, 2012 Share #67 Posted June 30, 2012 To Be Honest I would Like to see the comeback, the Did help out the in manhattan, and if they did brought it back it should and will go to whitehall st, there wouldn't be enough cars to benefit the to go to south brooklyn, we all have our agreements and dis agreements, as for the to 9th ave ITS a rumor, I just support it, but It would be smarter to have a banker special the Brown <R> they have the roll signs for it on the R32's and R42's and They might have a program for it on the R160's it would show up as Nassau st local, and have it go to 95th st during the Rush Hours, so it Wouldn't interfere with the (J)/(Z), but if the decides to go forward with the extension live with it, but until then its stands out as a rumor I really don't think ridership of the West End deserves a second service. Except for 55th St, ridership on the D-train-only stations is decreasing in 2011. (even 55th St itself didn't increase much) Extending the to 9th Ave is adequate. (If the MTA wants it back and wants to run it to Brooklyn...) West End has been loosing ridership, 4th ave however is gaining ridership since you have the new development housing and the New Barcays Center, so those local stations along the is growing rapidly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted June 30, 2012 Share #68 Posted June 30, 2012 Its funny when someone mentions "service restoration" the first thing they can think is of new lines/routes. I'm surposed RC didn't go all the way and not just ask for a for Brooklyn, but also ask for the on QB on weekends, and the to midnite (allowing the to remain express a couple hours longer), and the reduced headways on the existing weekend services and restoration of the most painful of bus cuts. I have to agree on the headways, and the needs to run until 12am, to me I would have the run btwn 168th and WTC during the overnights so the would be an express in manhattan only all night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted June 30, 2012 Share #69 Posted June 30, 2012 I have to agree on the headways, and the needs to run until 12am, to me I would have the run btwn 168th and WTC during the overnights so the would be an express in manhattan only all night Thats what I've had in my head for a while.. I think this would cut the by 20-30min Alternatively, run the all night and end it at Lefferts. Just to replace the . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted June 30, 2012 Share #70 Posted June 30, 2012 and to top that off, the needs to be 6 R46 Cars again like in the Pre-Dec 2001 before the with 2 train sets of 8 car R32's, back then the had 6 R46 cars A-A,ABBA sets, and its needed badly Ive seen the , Its ridership has Grown its like the but not as big as the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted June 30, 2012 Share #71 Posted June 30, 2012 Thats what I've had in my head for a while.. I think this would cut the by 20-30min Alternatively, run the all night and end it at Lefferts. Just to replace the . No the should run to Lefferts all night, Have a shuttle train like the pre 1992 Round robin shuttle to the rockaways, Ive ridden the late nights lefferts has gotten more ridership but now the (far rockaway branch has growing ridership due to the casino, Not the Airport, most people take the train from the Air train) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted June 30, 2012 Share #72 Posted June 30, 2012 The C from end to end is 10 minutes longer than the A is from Euclid to 168 by schedule. 5-6 minutes of that difference is on the fulton line. Running the C all night in manhattan would save a grand total of 4 minutes for A riders. Lots of money spent on absolutely no benefit whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted June 30, 2012 Share #73 Posted June 30, 2012 No the should run to Lefferts all night, Have a shuttle train like the pre 1992 Round robin shuttle to the rockaways, Ive ridden the late nights lefferts has gotten more ridership but now the (far rockaway branch has growing ridership due to the casino, Not the Airport, most people take the train from the Air train) Here we go again with the to lefferts debate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2FCQsKxNdw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatOne2k Posted June 30, 2012 Share #74 Posted June 30, 2012 Here we go again with the to lefferts debate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2FCQsKxNdw This is late nights only, it's different than daytime. Would Lefferts prefer at late night with a transfer to express, or an shuttle and transfer to local? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted June 30, 2012 Share #75 Posted June 30, 2012 as for the to 9th ave ITS a rumor, I just support it, but It would be smarter to have a banker special the Brown <R> they have the roll signs for it on the R32's and R42's and They might have a program for it on the R160's it would show up as Nassau st local, and have it go to 95th st during the Rush Hours, so it Wouldn't interfere with the (J)/(Z), but if the decides to go forward with the extension live with it, but until then its stands out as a rumor has gotten away from using the same letter on different routes like that (like the "split B&D" of the 80's that received new letters in the 2001). That's why would be perfect for a new banker's special, if they go with the 4 min. and elimination of skip-stop. If they keep the skip-stop, then they would have to use something else, and all that's left is in other colors (like or even . I'd rather see , since that technically was originally Nassau St.--the 14 Bway Bklyn local, though it didn't use the letter until rerouted via 6th Av.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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