Threxx Posted July 4, 2012 Share #51 Posted July 4, 2012 I'm going to say the . It makes fewer stops (I'm pretty sure, because it's the IND), and I don't think it has as sharp curves as the , also because it's the IND. The actually has a sharper curve at Steinway Street & Northern Boulevard, that the has at Queens Blvd & Roosevelt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted July 4, 2012 Share #52 Posted July 4, 2012 The actually has a sharper curve at Steinway Street & Northern Boulevard, that the has at Queens Blvd & Roosevelt... But what about the curve entering Queensboro Plaza? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted July 4, 2012 Share #53 Posted July 4, 2012 But what about the curve entering Queensboro Plaza? Well there's that... I still think the is faster... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted July 4, 2012 Share #54 Posted July 4, 2012 Well there's that... I still think the is faster... Did you mean to say the ? I though you were arguing in favor of the ? Anyway, MTA trip planner says they're both 11 minutes. Seems to be a tie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDTA Posted July 4, 2012 Share #55 Posted July 4, 2012 Here's one. Which is faster from 168th to Penn? THe or the ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted July 4, 2012 Share #56 Posted July 4, 2012 Here's one. Which is faster from 168th to Penn? THe or the ? I'll bet $5 million on the . Fewer stops on the IND lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted July 4, 2012 Share #57 Posted July 4, 2012 According to hopstop.com, the is actually 1 minute faster. Time to pay up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted July 4, 2012 Share #58 Posted July 4, 2012 On TripPlanner, the dosen't even show up, only the & , so the is definitely faster. I'll bet $5 million on the . Fewer stops on the IND lines. Where's our money (Me & NX)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted July 4, 2012 Share #59 Posted July 4, 2012 On TripPlanner, the dosen't even show up, only the & , so the is definitely faster. You can select which train you want to take on TripPlanner, but yes, the is a minute faster... Where's our money (Me & NX)? Do you accept MetroCards ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted July 4, 2012 Share #60 Posted July 4, 2012 You can select which train you want to take on TripPlanner, but yes, the is a minute faster...Do you accept MetroCards ? 5 Millon on MetroCards? Even I'm not that much of a foamer to use all of that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted July 4, 2012 Share #61 Posted July 4, 2012 5 Millon on MetroCards? Even I'm not that much of a foamer to use all of that! ! Well, it's MetroCards or nothing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted July 4, 2012 Share #62 Posted July 4, 2012 No, I only accept US currency. Back to topic: Which fleet has better brakes: R68s or NTTs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted July 4, 2012 Share #63 Posted July 4, 2012 I'm going to say R68s. I think TwoTimer would agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted July 4, 2012 Share #64 Posted July 4, 2012 That would be pretty sad if the 68s overall have better brakes than the NTTs. Over the years on these forums I heard T/O's don't really like the 68/68As because of their brakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTimer Posted July 4, 2012 Author Share #65 Posted July 4, 2012 Problem is, he said NTT's so you have to take ALL the NTT classes (R142/R142A/R143/R160 Alstom/R160 Siemens) into consideration. When you do that, the answer is R68 I have a good one... Which of these three northbound tube runs is not a "wrap tube" (A wrap tube is where you can just wrap it up and ignore the timers, assuming they are in effect). 53st tube Rutgers tube 60th tube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted July 4, 2012 Share #66 Posted July 4, 2012 Gonna guess 53rd Street tube? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted July 4, 2012 Share #67 Posted July 4, 2012 I'm gonna say 60th Street, trains fly through there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTimer Posted July 4, 2012 Author Share #68 Posted July 4, 2012 I'll wait and give the answer later, I do wish for a few more thoughts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynIRT Posted July 5, 2012 Share #69 Posted July 5, 2012 I just wanted to say that with the and I think the points I list below are the reasons why the is faster, if it is indeed faster all or most of the time. In addition to these points, the timers may also have an effect but I am not as familiar with all of them as someone who has operated these lines, so I will let such a person elaborate if that person wishes to do so. 1. Its train sets weigh less than those on the . 2. The has less waiting to do for connecting express trains at express stops because the two 7th Ave EXP services parallel each other more than the two CPW EXP services and the IRT lines run more frequently than the parallel IND lines. As a result, the will keep it moving more than the will if an express arrives across the platform, either because on the IRT the express and local will typically arrive within just a few seconds of each other or simultaneously resulting in short waiting periods for connecting trains, or because the passengers that come from the 7th Ave EXP train that is due there in another minute or two will have little waiting to do for the next 7th Ave LCL train since the 7th Ave LCL is more frequent than the two CPW LCL services combined. Also when it comes to keeping all the trains moving as quickly as possible, there is less of a penalty for letting trains sit and wait on most BMT/IND lines since the trains on most BMT/IND lines are not all on top of each other the way they are on the IRT lines. The exceptions are the Canarsie line and perhaps the 8th Ave EXP-Fulton St EXP as both are more frequent than the other BMT/IND lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynIRT Posted July 5, 2012 Share #70 Posted July 5, 2012 Also the 7th Ave LCL shares tracks with no other service during daytime hours while the CPW LCL-8th Ave LCL service does (CPW LCL-6th Ave EXP and Queens Blvd EXP-8th Ave LCL while traveling between 168 and Penn Sta). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted July 5, 2012 Share #71 Posted July 5, 2012 So, TwoTimer, what's the answer to your question/riddle thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTimer Posted July 5, 2012 Author Share #72 Posted July 5, 2012 60th tube. While it is the fastest of all the tubes, it has the fastest timers in the tube. Most trains can get through wrapped, but the fastest Siemens R160 will hit the last one. The other two will clear no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astoria Line Posted July 5, 2012 Share #73 Posted July 5, 2012 60th Street most def, trains DO fly in and out (except for the train) and only occasionally you will get stopped at a timer. I've been riding the (N)/(Q) through that tube for 2 years (3 come September) and I've only been stopped in that tunnel 5 times... The 53rd St tube I frequently ride too, and trains just aren't as fast as in the 60th st tube ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted July 5, 2012 Share #74 Posted July 5, 2012 Depending on what mood I'm in (or how lazy I am), coming from flushing, instead of staying on the & taking it into manhattan, I would get off & wait for the at QBP partly for that reason alone...... there's nowhere else in the system I can think of where trains move like they do in the 60th st tubes.... feels like you're riding a commuter RR w/i that stint...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTimer Posted July 5, 2012 Author Share #75 Posted July 5, 2012 As far as the vs , train weight has nothing to do with it, its all velocity and both trains get roughly the same station to station. The express station dwell time has nothing to do with it either (forget that long paragraph BrooklynIRT said). It's a myth that the dwells longer in the express stations than the . Its all ridership patterns. Even if the spent more time in express stations, the local stations are more heavily used than the local stations, if its during the week (and the is running). If the isn't running, its equal. The only thing the can say is that the only thing that can hold it up is its leader, whereas a or can hold up a , and its uncommon for a to sail thru from 145 to 34 without being held up somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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