Dilapidated N-line subway stations are dangerous - especially rotting metal

[Concourse Express]

...Don't count Tremont Avenue on the either since it also got rehabbed a decade ago.

 

 

Doesn't change Shortline's point too much (you already know I feel about the Concourse line and its dire state).

As for the Sea Beach, I agree with the general consensus - it needs a rehab NOW. 2014 might be too late; I recall MTA "fast-tracking" rehab of Mosholu Pkwy when a strong wind blew the old canopy of the N/B plat off and onto a train in the station. Wouldn't want to hear of a step coming undone and causing injury to someone...

[Q10 Airport]

Unfortunately the Concourse and Sea Beach lines seem to be suffering neglect, just as the Franklin Avenue did in the 80's and 90's. The difference, though, is that the stations on Concourse and Sea Beach serve many more riders, and abandonment is not even on the table.

[R32 3838]

2014 is too long to wait, someone needs to really step in, these stations look like they are gonna colaspe anyday now, they Need Work and the need work badly, i see what the ()' /> is all about They did West End in no time and south of Newkirk plaza on the Brighton, but they can't do sea Beach, its shows how they really are towards certain negihborhoods

[realizm]

My thing is that I never really understood why the MTA neglected to keep the Sea Beach line in good repair fpr so long, the stations look like a bomb hit it. That's a definite injustice to the people who need the line to commute. It's a really busy line. All the MTA really did was a half ass job on installing concrete ties in paches along the ROW. I'm sure many south Brooklyn communities would expect more. Just look at 8th avenue. It's a discrace. For such a critical link on the BMT you would think the MTA would at least renovate this station. At least as this station must be the most heavily boarded station on the entire Sea Beach. I mean the friggin stairs are nothing but rotting wood, wtf?

[RollOver]

They better change their minds and start the work in October 2012. Or better yet, IMO Fastrack should do the trick, start it every weekday from 9 AM TO 4 PM. Have the be rerouted to the West End or Brighton lines.

[w8Hou]

FASTRACK on the Sea Beach line will help only little bit, but not much.

 

It needs a major rebuild, ASAP. MTA needs to do it right if you want to compare the rehab job on Brighton line north of Newkirk Avenue. What a fantastic job that they did.

 

 

The problem is MTA needs money to do this project. It seems it will be push back to 2015-2019 Captial Program.

[Quill Depot]

FASTRACK on the Sea Beach line will help only little bit, but not much.

 

It needs a major rebuild, ASAP. MTA needs to do it right if you want to compare the rehab job on Brighton line north of Newkirk Avenue. What a fantastic job that they did.

 

 

The problem is MTA needs money to do this project. It seems it will be push back to 2015-2019 Captial Program.

 

 

It won't happen, no matter when.

[Q10 Airport]

It won't happen, no matter when.

 

I only see it happening if the MTA gets hammered with lawsuits.

[Concourse Express]

 

 

I only see it happening if the MTA gets hammered with lawsuits.

 

Methinks it'd be foolish of MTA (especially from a fiscal perspective) to wait until a lawsuit to fix the Sea Beach. Now, I know MTA is charged with allocating money a multitude of projects, but the pix speak for themselves w.r.t Sea Beach.

[j express]

If the ran along the West End in both directions from 9 A.M to 4 P.M people along Sea Beach would not be happy about it. Manhattan bound trains have 10 to 18 standees per car. Coney Island bound trains have like 3/4 passenger occupying seats per car. Fastrack does not take place during midday since during midday all lines have high ridership and that is why it takes place from 10pm to 5am since there is not so many people riding the subway late night.

[Q10 Airport]

Methinks it'd be foolish of MTA (especially from a fiscal perspective) to wait until a lawsuit to fix the Sea Beach. Now, I know MTA is charged with allocating money a multitude of projects, but the pix speak for themselves w.r.t Sea Beach.

 

The problem is that the MTA is foolish!!!!! If they weren't so foolish about the Sea Beach line they would've fixed things and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[Guest Lance]

I don't think it's a matter of them being foolish as it is more of a combined problem of a constantly shrinking budget and a lack of viable travel alternatives.

 

As has already been stated time and again, the Sea Beach stations need full rebuilds, much like the Brighton stations were. Now I don't need to tell you that projects like that aren't cheap. That could be part of the reason why the rehabs aren't set to begin until 2014.

 

As for my second point, if and when the Sea Beach stations are repaired/rebuilt, riders will inevitably flock to the D line for train service. The N trains will also likely be re-routed over to the West End line on a semi-regular basis. That means the West End will become the almost-primary line for the N throughout the duration of the renovations, which means the Brighton will become the backup for when things hit the fan, as is wont to happen around here. (The Culver line doesn't count here as it doesn't have a track connection to the Broadway line.) And don't forget that, until fairly recently, both of those lines were being renovated themselves. It kind of limits what you can do on the other lines.

 

Now, before anyone says anything, the proceeding is not me trying to excuse anyone here. It's pretty damn obvious that the Sea Beach stations need work done. Anyone who tries to say otherwise is a flipping moron. The fact is that all four south Brooklyn lines did or do need to be fixed. The problem is that you need some serious dough and you can't potentially knock out more than one line at once. Now if I'm not mistaken, the lower Culver stations are next to be rehabbed (I can't check that right now as I'm typing this from my iPhone) and I'm sure someone will say that those stations can wait. Again, if I'm not mistaken, the Culver line isn't in all that great a shape either.

 

Just dropping my two cents.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

I don't think it's a matter of them being foolish as it is more of a combined problem of a constantly shrinking budget and a lack of viable travel alternatives.

 

As has already been stated time and again, the Sea Beach stations need full rebuilds, much like the Brighton stations were. Now I don't need to tell you that projects like that aren't cheap. That could be part of the reason why the rehabs aren't set to begin until 2014.

 

As for my second point, if and when the Sea Beach stations are repaired/rebuilt, riders will inevitably flock to the D line for train service. The N trains will also likely be re-routed over to the West End line on a semi-regular basis. That means the West End will become the almost-primary line for the N throughout the duration of the renovations, which means the Brighton will become the backup for when things hit the fan, as is wont to happen around here. (The Culver line doesn't count here as it doesn't have a track connection to the Broadway line.) And don't forget that, until fairly recently, both of those lines were being renovated themselves. It kind of limits what you can do on the other lines.

 

Now, before anyone says anything, the proceeding is not me trying to excuse anyone here. It's pretty damn obvious that the Sea Beach stations need work done. Anyone who tries to say otherwise is a flipping moron. The fact is that all four south Brooklyn lines did or do need to be fixed. The problem is that you need some serious dough and you can't potentially knock out more than one line at once. Now if I'm not mistaken, the lower Culver stations are next to be rehabbed (I can't check that right now as I'm typing this from my iPhone) and I'm sure someone will say that those stations can wait. Again, if I'm not mistaken, the Culver line isn't in all that great a shape either.

 

Just dropping my two cents.

 

Yeah but if I recall correctly, the stations that were just rehabbed along the was basically money given to the ()' />. Those stations were redone relatively cheap... If they cut back on the fancy artwork they could get more stations done. I know they've got to spend money on artwork, but the amount of monies allotted for that should be shifted.

[Roadcruiser1]

Not shocked. As an occasional user of the Sea Beach Line especially when the is having problems the conditions on the Sea Beach Line is terrible. For example the Fort Hamilton Parkway station on the Sea Beach Line has terrible staircases. The Manhattan bound platform has a concrete staircase that is literally about to collapse. It has literally crumble through. I am certain that it would collapse soon and the ()' /> would face a lawsuit. The metal staircases on the 18th Avenue Station is about to rust through. It shakes every time someone walks on it. If someone falls through and gets struck by a train the ()' /> is going to have a lawsuit in their hands.

[Brooklyn]

Also, some of the concrete is showing cracks.....I notice this at the Ft. Hamilton Pkwy station.

 

This is over the train tracks too. Yes, the stairs there are rusting pretty badly too.

 

The stations could also use some more accessibility (elevators).

 

I would really be concerned about the concrete.

 

The MTA has to get on that immediately.

[Amtrak7]

This may sound like a stupid question, but are there any Brighton or West End Line stations in bad shape now that the rehab projects on those lines are complete or close to it?

[Fresh Pond]

This may sound like a stupid question, but are there any Brighton or West End Line stations in bad shape now that the rehab projects on those lines are complete or close to it?

 

 

I doubt it since those were done not too long ago

[Grand Concourse]

This may sound like a stupid question, but are there any Brighton or West End Line stations in bad shape now that the rehab projects on those lines are complete or close to it?

 

There are still the stations north of Newkirk on the Brighton line that could be fixed up, preferably have the walls on the local stops 'pushed back' an extra 1.5-2 feet away from the platform edge. But I would say the Sea Beach stations as a group demands immediate attention.

[Mr Railfan]

This may sound like a stupid question, but are there any Brighton or West End Line stations in bad shape now that the rehab projects on those lines are complete or close to it?

 

Besides Graffiti showing up from time to time , the rehabed stations are doing fairly well. Like Grand Concourse said , some of the station north of newkirk need to get work done. Parkside avenue is the worst of the bunch.

[B35 via Church]

Something happened at pissside av yesterday where they had trains skipping that stop..... Yeah, that's the worst of the 3 along the brighton that could use some rehabbing (cortelyou, beverly, parkside)

[Interested Rider]

Agreed! The Sea Beach Line needs a major rebuilding along its entire route.

 

The concrete stairs and station buildings are the original (with some changes like windows being sealed in the late 1950's) and the metal stairs and corridors were built in the late 1950's to replace the concrete stairs and corridors at many of the stations (around the time the standards starting to work with D-Types on the Sea Beach Line). I know about 8th Avenue and 18th Avenue and was quite familiar with Avenue U where the stairs are in deplorable shape along with the canopies (which I think could apply to other stations as well).

 

What I am quite concerned about is the open cut and situations similiar to the 15th Avenue area occurring again. While there was one similiar situation occurring southbound between New Utrecht Avenue and Fort Hamilton Parkway which was rebuilt (if my memory is correct) sometime in the 1970's, I am afraid that this may happen again, thus stopping service for days (if not weeks).

 

The problem remains money as federal funds are usually allocated for the purchase of new equipment, not for regular and routine maintenance. When maintenance is deferred, neglect occurs and the system falls apart which is what happening here. What bothers me is federal stimulus money (that was available) could been used for this repair as it was a shovel ready project based on the information presented.

[CenSin]

Unfortunately the Concourse and Sea Beach lines seem to be suffering neglect, just as the Franklin Avenue did in the 80's and 90's. The difference, though, is that the stations on Concourse and Sea Beach serve many more riders, and abandonment is not even on the table.

 

Abandonment is not just "not on the table"—it's not anywhere! The idea does not exist.

[Q10 Airport]

Abandonment is not just "not on the table"—it's not anywhere! The idea does not exist.

 

 

I know it does not exist. I'm just making a point that they considered abandonment with the Franklin Avenue when the line was falling apart, but that is not even remotely an option with the Sea Beach .

[Guest Lance]

 

 

Yeah but if I recall correctly, the stations that were just rehabbed along the was basically money given to the <img src='http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/mta.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='()' />' />. Those stations were redone relatively cheap... If they cut back on the fancy artwork they could get more stations done. I know they've got to spend money on artwork, but the amount of monies allotted for that should be shifted.

 

 

You really can't compare the West End rehabs with what needs to be done on Sea Beach. If I'm not mistaken, most of the work done on the West End were either component repairs or something similar. (That doesn't include making Bay Pkwy ADA Accessible though.) Sea Beach needs full rebuilds, not patch jobs.

 

Concerning the artwork in the stations, if I recall correctly, most Arts for Transit projects are only around one percent of the total station rehab.

[Q10 Airport]

You really can't compare the West End rehabs with what needs to be done on Sea Beach. If I'm not mistaken, most of the work done on the West End were either component repairs or something similar. (That doesn't include making Bay Pkwy ADA Accessible though.) Sea Beach needs full rebuilds, not patch jobs.

 

Concerning the artwork in the stations, if I recall correctly, most Arts for Transit projects are only around one percent of the total station rehab.

 

 

I believe the "arts for transit" projects are for a select stations, like the Museum of Natural History and .