Planned Subway Service Changes

[Bluebird 123]

Wow I surprised  returns to Concourse Line after many years.

 

[Maxwell179]

22 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

April 16th-19th

trains run between Euclid Av and 125th St and via the to/from 205th St days/evenings.

trains run between Atlantic Av & Coney Island all times, and as a shuttle between 145th St & 205th St during overnight hours.

I wonder why they chose the  and not the  

[Bluebird 123]

goes to up 207 St in Manhattan, they need  to replace  in Bronx .

 

 

[Maxwell179]

1 hour ago, Bluebird 123 said:

goes to up 207 St in Manhattan, they need  to replace  in Bronx .

 

 

Oh yeah , that makes sense , I had completely forgot about that 

Edited March 27, 2021 by Maxwell179

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

The other thing about not choosing the is that, while you wouldn't have the shuttle late nights with the , trains are:

1. All coming from Far Rockaway

2. All local

I can't imagine any TO being too happy about that assignment. 207-Far Rock (and vice-versa) during the day alone is a pretty long trip. 205 (Bronx) - Far Rock, all local would be just plain torture. 

Edited March 27, 2021 by BM5 via Woodhaven

[darkstar8983]

17 hours ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

The other thing about not choosing the is that, while you wouldn't have the shuttle late nights with the , trains are:

1. All coming from Far Rockaway

2. All local

I can't imagine any TO being too happy about that assignment. 207-Far Rock (and vice-versa) during the day alone is a pretty long trip. 205 (Bronx) - Far Rock, all local would be just plain torture. 

Sounds about right. Even when the  was going to Astoria on weekends, they tried not running the  via lower manhattan because it just made the line too long, kind of like the  to Jamaica-179 St.

 

in the case of the  and this GO, they would have had to run the night  service to Lefferts and have a shuttle run the Far Rockaway portion. This GO just goes to show how low ridership is on weekends now that the MTA can get away with running only two routes on Central Park west. Otherwise they would have ran the  from 205 St to World Trade Center or 2 Av

[Jacob]

21 hours ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

The other thing about not choosing the is that, while you wouldn't have the shuttle late nights with the , trains are:

1. All coming from Far Rockaway

2. All local

I can't imagine any TO being too happy about that assignment. 207-Far Rock (and vice-versa) during the day alone is a pretty long trip. 205 (Bronx) - Far Rock, all local would be just plain torture. 

Can't even Imaged if I bet myself to ride the  train to Norwood-205th Street to Far Rockaway,

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I'm curious about the  going to Concourse after many years ngl. Brings back good 'ole  memories tho. Can't wait to ride a R179  on Concourse. It's gonna be my pure godly experience as a railfanner. 

 

But jesus such a long route for the  is gonna cause me cancer if the MTA did this plan..

 

 

[Daniel The Cool]

7 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

Sounds about right. Even when the  was going to Astoria on weekends, they tried not running the  via lower manhattan because it just made the line too long, kind of like the  to Jamaica-179 St.

 

in the case of the  and this GO, they would have had to run the night  service to Lefferts and have a shuttle run the Far Rockaway portion. This GO just goes to show how low ridership is on weekends now that the MTA can get away with running only two routes on Central Park west. Otherwise they would have ran the  from 205 St to World Trade Center or 2 Av

The 2nd weekend of the G.O, WTC is not available as a terminal with the ending at 2nd Avenue 

[Lawrence St]

How are trains suppose to relay at 145th St while in the southbound direction?

[darkstar8983]

46 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

How are trains suppose to relay at 145th St while in the southbound direction?

Maybe relay at 125 St. Those tracks are available, but at this point, I would have just suspended the  train and done the following changes:

 

- Shuttle buses replace the  from 205 St to Bedford Park Blvd, and use the  for nearby stations in the Bronx

- For Central Park West, use the or  (Not extended to 205 St)

- For 6 Av, use the rerouted  via 6 Av so this way, Broadway and 6 Av each have two services ( for Broadway and  for 6 Av).

- For 4 Av in Brooklyn and West End, reroute the  in one direction via West End, and keep the other direction via Sea Beach.

Edited March 29, 2021 by darkstar8983

[Vulturious]

37 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:

54 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

How are trains suppose to relay at 145th St while in the southbound direction?

Maybe relay at 125 St. Those tracks are available, but at this point, I would have just suspended the  train and done the following changes:

 

- Shuttle buses replace the  from 205 St to Bedford Park Blvd, and use the  for nearby stations in the Bronx

- For Central Park West, use the or  (Not extended to 205 St)

- For 6 Av, use the rerouted  via 6 Av so this way, Broadway and 6 Av each have two services ( for Broadway and  for 6 Av).

- For 4 Av in Brooklyn and West End, reroute the  in one direction via West End, and keep the other direction via Sea Beach.

Wait huh? Aren't there X-switches just south of 145 St Lower Level, why would it go all the way to 125 St? 

[Lawrence St]

19 minutes ago, Vulturious said:

Wait huh? Aren't there X-switches just south of 145 St Lower Level, why would it go all the way to 125 St? 

IIRC there's no way to get from the SB local to the middle track at 145th St.

[Daniel The Cool]

58 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

IIRC there's no way to get from the SB local to the middle track at 145th St.

Umm you do realized that the  Train can relay at 145th Street. It was done several times when Central Park West was shutdown for incidents and it was even done during a weekend G.O when they were doing track replacement south of 145th Street back in 2002-2003.

[Maxwell179]

12 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

Sounds about right. Even when the  was going to Astoria on weekends, they tried not running the  via lower manhattan because it just made the line too long, kind of like the  to Jamaica-179 St.

 

in the case of the  and this GO, they would have had to run the night  service to Lefferts and have a shuttle run the Far Rockaway portion. This GO just goes to show how low ridership is on weekends now that the MTA can get away with running only two routes on Central Park west. Otherwise they would have ran the  from 205 St to World Trade Center or 2 Av

Do you think ridership would be enough that the  would run full length ?

[Eric B]

They usually just run the  to 34th, so are they doing work on 6th Ave. those weekends?

[T to Dyre Avenue]

They must be. Otherwise, they would just run the  from 205 to 34th, like they’ve done in the past.

[Around the Horn]

3 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

Maybe relay at 125 St. Those tracks are available, but at this point, I would have just suspended the  train and done the following changes:

 

- Shuttle buses replace the  from 205 St to Bedford Park Blvd, and use the  for nearby stations in the Bronx

- For Central Park West, use the or  (Not extended to 205 St)

- For 6 Av, use the rerouted  via 6 Av so this way, Broadway and 6 Av each have two services ( for Broadway and  for 6 Av).

- For 4 Av in Brooklyn and West End, reroute the  in one direction via West End, and keep the other direction via Sea Beach.

Why suspend the in the Bronx if the work is on the Manhattan Bridge?

1 hour ago, Eric B said:

They usually just run the  to 34th, so are they doing work on 6th Ave. those weekends?

In addition to the Bridge, 47th-50th to Columbus Circle is also closed off.

[R32 3838]

12 hours ago, Jacob said:

Can't even Imaged if I bet myself to ride the  train to Norwood-205th Street to Far Rockaway,

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I'm curious about the  going to Concourse after many years ngl. Brings back good 'ole  memories tho. Can't wait to ride a R179  on Concourse. It's gonna be my pure godly experience as a railfanner. 

 

But jesus such a long route for the  is gonna cause me cancer if the MTA did this plan..

 

 

 

I doubt they'll use 8 car R179's during this GO. It's going up concourse which has very heavy ridership meaning 100% full length trains. It'll likely be a mixure of R46's that the uses now and R68/R68A's from the lines. Maybe they'll slip two or more full length R179's from the (Hardly doubt it because it'll confuse line crews).

Edited March 29, 2021 by R32 3838

[R68ACTrain]

6 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

 

I doubt they'll use 8 car R179's during this GO. It's going up concourse which has very heavy ridership meaning 100% full length trains. It'll likely be a mixure of R46's that the uses now and R68/R68A's from the lines. Maybe they'll slip two or more full length R179's from the (Hardly doubt it because it'll confuse line crews).

But then again, this isn't a weekday, I live infront of Concourse, and on weekends, especially Sundays, the yard is still pretty full, in addition to the  and those 4 's there.

And to what you said about C crews, literally they could use A crews on those R179s. (my take)

Edited March 29, 2021 by R68ACTrain

[R32 3838]

7 hours ago, R68ACTrain said:

But then again, this isn't a weekday, I live infront of Concourse, and on weekends, especially Sundays, the yard is still pretty full, in addition to the  and those 4 's there.

And to what you said about C crews, literally they could use A crews on those R179s. (my take)

concourse gets packed no matter the day, on weekends the gets crowded. This GO is likely gonna be crews. It's better to run 100% full length trains than to run mixed length. plus it's alot easier to use the R68's from concourse along with the pitkin r46's. 

crews are used to operating R179's as 8 car trains. the only solution is to put 10 car papers on the dashboard if they borrow r179's from the

[Maxwell179]

22 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

 

I doubt they'll use 8 car R179's during this GO. It's going up concourse which has very heavy ridership meaning 100% full length trains. It'll likely be a mixure of R46's that the uses now and R68/R68A's from the lines. Maybe they'll slip two or more full length R179's from the (Hardly doubt it because it'll confuse line crews).

Is there a major difference between the 8-car 179s vs the 10-car 179s , operational-wise ? 

[R32 3838]

3 hours ago, Maxwell179 said:

Is there a major difference between the 8-car 179s vs the 10-car 179s , operational-wise ? 

no, it's just TA is afraid of t/o's stopping at the wrong spot. this happened on the a few years back where a t/o stopped at the 6 car mark and the c/r opened the doors when they were running full length R160's on the line.

[mrsman]

On 3/27/2021 at 4:18 PM, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

The other thing about not choosing the is that, while you wouldn't have the shuttle late nights with the , trains are:

1. All coming from Far Rockaway

2. All local

I can't imagine any TO being too happy about that assignment. 207-Far Rock (and vice-versa) during the day alone is a pretty long trip. 205 (Bronx) - Far Rock, all local would be just plain torture. 

Is 205-Far Rock the longest possible routing for a single train in the system?

[GojiMet86]

18 minutes ago, mrsman said:

Is 205-Far Rock the longest possible routing for a single train in the system?

The current line from Inwood to Far Rockaway is about 32 miles. Norwood to Far Rockaway would be 35 miles. But Jamaica-179th Street to Far Rockaway would be almost 37 miles.

[Daniel The Cool]

44 minutes ago, GojiMet86 said:

 Norwood to Far Rockaway would be 35 miles. But Jamaica-179th Street to Far Rockaway would be almost 37 miles.

Are you sure about that? Because the old  between Bedford Park Blvd and Rockaway Park Route was actually longer than the old  route between Jamaica-179th Street and Rockaway Park by a couple of miles.