Art Vandelay Posted January 16, 2018 Share #1826 Posted January 16, 2018 R179s will have finished their tests when the last set is accepted for service. (Why this specific test is needed on the Brighton line, or whether it is R179 related, I do not know.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted January 16, 2018 Share #1827 Posted January 16, 2018 20 hours ago, Lance said: Rare reroutes =/= cost justification. How often are you going to see a full-length train run up Franklin Ave where that kind of massive expense would be justified? Especially after they rebuilt the line just 20 years ago. This is not just about that, though that is the short-term goal (plus give the a valve for an emergency re-route and be able to make the shuttle route a more practical through line to Brighton Beach or Coney Island that would allow the to potentially also be an express on Brighton (to Brighton Beach with the becoming a second local on Brighton, also to Coney Island) AND longer-term potential do an extension of the current Franklin shuttle line to where it connects to the remaining portion of the Myrtle Avenue EL. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quadcorder Posted January 16, 2018 Share #1828 Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Wallyhorse said: This is not just about that, though that is the short-term goal (plus give the a valve for an emergency re-route and be able to make the shuttle route a more practical through line to Brighton Beach or Coney Island that would allow the to potentially also be an express on Brighton (to Brighton Beach with the becoming a second local on Brighton, also to Coney Island) AND longer-term potential do an extension of the current Franklin shuttle line to where it connects to the remaining portion of the Myrtle Avenue EL. This is an impressively dumb idea. Rerouting the main Brighton train down the express track would inconvenience the vast majority of riders. We've seen repeatedly how passengers do not want their local trains to terminate within borough. Why do you think Court St Brooklyn, on QBL, 8 Av Local to WTC are no longer service patterns? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted January 16, 2018 Share #1829 Posted January 16, 2018 What'e you talking about? The E still runs to WTC 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted January 16, 2018 Share #1830 Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Lawrence St said: What'e you talking about? The E still runs to WTC He's talking about the old off-peak /(K) which ran from 145 Street/168 Street to WTC. Edited January 16, 2018 by BM5 via Woodhaven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted January 16, 2018 Share #1831 Posted January 16, 2018 2 hours ago, quadcorder said: This is an impressively dumb idea. Rerouting the main Brighton train down the express track would inconvenience the vast majority of riders. We've seen repeatedly how passengers do not want their local trains to terminate within borough. Why do you think Court St Brooklyn, on QBL, 8 Av Local to WTC are no longer service patterns? I just saw a report from a couple of years ago where in order to reduce line merging they could run the from 168st to WTC and run the to Euclid via 8th Ave express and Fulton St Local in Brooklyn http://web.mta.info/nyct/service/pdf/AC_LineReview.pdf Pg 14 Quote The merges of the southbound (A)(C) and of the northbound (C)(E) at Canal St could be eliminated by a service design in which the would operate local between 168 St and World Trade Center and the would operate express on the 8 Av Line and local in Brooklyn to Euclid Av. While this alternate service design would eliminate delays caused by the northbound and southbound Canal St merges, it would introduce a new, high-frequency (A)(E) southbound merge at 42 St. It would also introduce PM congestion to the northbound merge at Hoyt-Schermerhorn Sts, which is already congested in the AM, since the PM peak northbound must be scheduled for more service than the due to ridership in midtown and Queens. In addition, since AM southbound service would have to be maintained at 15 tph to adequately serve Queens Blvd riders, extending the to Euclid Av would require the acquisition of many additional trainsets for operation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted January 16, 2018 Share #1832 Posted January 16, 2018 2 hours ago, quadcorder said: This is an impressively dumb idea. Rerouting the main Brighton train down the express track would inconvenience the vast majority of riders. We've seen repeatedly how passengers do not want their local trains to terminate within borough. Why do you think Court St Brooklyn, on QBL, 8 Av Local to WTC are no longer service patterns? That would be a SECOND local (the would also be a local). When the is not running, the could still be a local as well. Main purpose for now would be operational flexibility like I noted, with extensions longer-term. Anyway, getting back on topic, 18 hours ago, FlushingExpress said: ELECTRICAL IMPROVEMENTS Trains skip 168 St in both directions trains and free shuttle buses provide alternate service Weekend, 6:45 AM Sat to 8 PM Sun, Jan 20 - 21 I guess they are doing elevator work that weekend, which is why the cannot stop at that station? DUH! That would be EXACTLY why they would be doing that. There are no stairs I believe between the station there and street level. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quadcorder Posted January 16, 2018 Share #1833 Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Wallyhorse said: That would be a SECOND local (the would also be a local). When the is not running, the could still be a local as well. Main purpose for now would be operational flexibility like I noted, with extensions longer-term. Anyway, getting back on topic, DUH! That would be EXACTLY why they would be doing that. There are no stairs I believe between the station there and street level. Why not run the local all the time, instead of switching on weekends? It's more frequent, and demands CI yard access. If you're doing that, voila, then there's no demand for a local shuttle anyhow! Edited January 16, 2018 by quadcorder 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted January 17, 2018 Share #1834 Posted January 17, 2018 On 1/15/2018 at 6:47 PM, FlushingExpress said: ELECTRICAL IMPROVEMENTS Trains skip 168 St in both directions trains and free shuttle buses provide alternate service Weekend, 6:45 AM Sat to 8 PM Sun, Jan 20 - 21 I guess they are doing elevator work that weekend, which is why the cannot stop at that station? EQUIPMENT TESTING Brighton Beach-bound trains run local from Prospect Park to Kings Hwy Days, 10 AM to 3:30 PM, Mon to Fri, Jan 29 - Feb 2 What exactly are they testing? I thought the R179s have finished all their tests. Oh great, my commute gets worse... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abba Posted January 19, 2018 Share #1835 Posted January 19, 2018 Tonight the MTA advertises no trains past 9:45 pm as well and southbound 4th ave express from Atlantic-36th. Neither happened however the still went to New Lots and made local stops in Brooklyn. That was nice of them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abba Posted January 19, 2018 Share #1836 Posted January 19, 2018 On 1/16/2018 at 1:07 PM, N6 Limited said: I just saw a report from a couple of years ago where in order to reduce line merging they could run the from 168st to WTC and run the to Euclid via 8th Ave express and Fulton St Local in Brooklyn http://web.mta.info/nyct/service/pdf/AC_LineReview.pdf Pg 14 I don’t think this would work.Too much congestion for and . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted January 19, 2018 Share #1837 Posted January 19, 2018 7 hours ago, Abba said: I don’t think this would work.Too much congestion for and . Years ago, the was the Fulton Express and the was the local in Brooklyn as I remember. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted January 19, 2018 Share #1838 Posted January 19, 2018 The to Crescent St GO has been cancelled for this weekend however, Manhattan bound service will still run express from Myrtle to Marcy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted January 27, 2018 Share #1839 Posted January 27, 2018 This is what happens when you don't trust unfamiliar crews to not open all the doors at 145 Street: Quote TRACK REPLACEMENT No trains between 96 St and 137 St trains and free shuttle buses provide alternate service Late Nights, 11:30 PM to 5 AM, Mon to Fri, Feb 12 - 16 service operates in two sections: 1. Between South Ferry and 96 St and via the to/from 148 St (skipping 145 St ) 2. Between 137 St and 242 St Quote TRACK REPLACEMENT No trains running trains and free shuttle buses provide alternate service Late Nights, 11:45 PM to 5 AM, Mon to Fri, Feb 12 - 16 • Tue to Fri, Feb 20 - 23 trains make all stops between Times Sq-42 St and 135 St. • trains operate to/from 148 St, skipping 145 St in both directions. Buses operate between 135 St and 148 St, stopping at 145 St. • Transfer between trains and buses at 135 St. Seems a bit redundant to me. To quote the infomercials, "there has to be a better way". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsunflyguy Posted January 28, 2018 Share #1840 Posted January 28, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, Lance said: This is what happens when you don't trust unfamiliar crews to not open all the doors at 145 Street: Seems a bit redundant to me. To quote the infomercials, "there has to be a better way". What baffles me is how the is eliminated in favor of split (and diverted) service. Surely just saying the is extended to SF (from 14th St) would be the more straightforward way of handling this. Edited January 28, 2018 by Jsunflyguy clarified last statement 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted January 28, 2018 Share #1841 Posted January 28, 2018 4 hours ago, Jsunflyguy said: What baffles me is how the is eliminated in favor of split (and diverted) service. Surely just saying the is extended to SF (from 14th St) would be the more straightforward way of handling this. Yeah but then some people in midtown looking for SF would be confused and we just can't have that. 14 hours ago, Lance said: This is what happens when you don't trust unfamiliar crews to not open all the doors at 145 Street: Then why not use the crews on the and if they are that worried about someone not remembering to only open one set of doors at 145, or do they really think some crew would be stupid enough to make that mistake AND someone would be stupid enough in the cars not in the first few cars to be where the doors could open and NOT paying attention? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatOne2k Posted January 28, 2018 Share #1842 Posted January 28, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Wallyhorse said: Yeah but then some people in midtown looking for SF would be confused and we just can't have that. Then why not use the crews on the and if they are that worried about someone not remembering to only open one set of doors at 145, or do they really think some crew would be stupid enough to make that mistake AND someone would be stupid enough in the cars not in the first few cars to be where the doors could open and NOT paying attention? Not enough late night crews to come completely cover the late night to 148, so the issue of crews stopping at 145 will still come up. Edited January 28, 2018 by GreatOne2k 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted January 29, 2018 Share #1843 Posted January 29, 2018 On 1/28/2018 at 3:16 AM, GreatOne2k said: Not enough late night crews to come completely cover the late night to 148, so the issue of crews stopping at 145 will still come up. They're actually is enough Train crews to cover the late night to 148. Plus the other option is used crews from the Extra Extra list which they usually use in general. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted January 30, 2018 Share #1844 Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) The weekends for February will be really hectic: No service North of 96 St; Service runs between South Ferry and 148 St: Feb 16-20, 24-26 *Note: the weekend of the 24-26, trains will run between 137 and 242 Sts as a separate section. Service is local in Manhattan: Feb 2-5 Service is suspended entirely: Feb 16-20, 23-26 Reduced service north of 125 St: Feb 3-4, 10-11, 17-18, 24-25 Local service in Manhattan; Entirely Uptown: Feb 2-5, Entirely Downtown: Feb 9-12, Both directions: Feb 16-20 and 23-26 Local service between 125 St and 42 St: Feb 2-5, 9-12, 16-20, 23-26 No service between Queensboro Plaza and 42 St; *Shuttle train runs between 34 St and 42 St: Feb 24-26 42 St runs overnight: Feb 24-26 Uptown service is Express in Manhattan: Feb 2-5 No service North of 168 and 145 Sts respectively: Feb 9-12 No service South of Howard Beach; runs between Rockaway Park and Mott Av: Feb 17-19 Service is local along CPW: Feb 24-26 Service runs between 205 St and WTC ( platform); No service in Brooklyn: Feb 9-12 Service is Local in Queens: Feb 2-5, 9-12 via 63 St: Feb 9-12 No service South of Church Av: Feb 23-26 No service East of Crescent St: Feb 3-4 No service between Hewes St and Manhattan: Feb 10-11 No service East of Broadway Junction: Feb 17-19, 24-25 No mainline service: Feb 3-4, 10-11, 17-19, 24-25 Coney Island Bound service runs via Montague: Feb 2-5 Via Montague, both directions and local service in Brooklyn: Feb 9-12 Split service: Section 1: Ditmars and Queensboro Plz, Section 2: Times Sq and Coney Island: Feb 17-20 Service is Local in Manhattan: Feb 17-20 Split service: Section 1: 96 St and Coney Island, via West End, Section 2: Prospect Park and Coney Island: Feb 9-12 No service South of 36 St, Brooklyn; No late night service: Feb 9-12 Service operates to supplement the : Feb 24-25 Edited January 30, 2018 by S78 via Hylan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted January 30, 2018 Share #1845 Posted January 30, 2018 36 minutes ago, S78 via Hylan said: The weekends for February will be really hectic: No service North of 96 St; Service runs between South Ferry and 148 St: Feb 16-20, 24-26 *Note: the weekend of the 24-26, trains will run between 137 and 242 Sts as a separate section. Service is local in Manhattan: Feb 2-5 Service is suspended entirely: Feb 16-20, 23-26 Reduced service north of 125 St: Feb 3-4, 10-11, 17-18, 24-25 Local service in Manhattan; Entirely Uptown: Feb 2-5, Entirely Downtown: Feb 9-12, Both directions: Feb 16-20 and 23-26 Local service between 125 St and 42 St: Feb 2-5, 9-12, 16-20, 23-26 No service between Queensboro Plaza and 42 St; *Shuttle train runs between 34 St and 42 St: Feb 24-26 42 St runs overnight: Feb 24-26 Uptown service is Express in Manhattan: Feb 2-5 No service North of 168 and 145 Sts respectively: Feb 9-12 No service South of Howard Beach; runs between Rockaway Park and Mott Av: Feb 17-19 Service is local along CPW: Feb 24-26 Service runs between 205 St and WTC ( platform); No service in Brooklyn: Feb 9-12 Service is Local in Queens: Feb 2-5, 9-12 via 63 St: Feb 9-12 No service South of Church Av: Feb 23-26 No service East of Crescent St: Feb 3-4; No service between Hewes St and Manhattan: Feb 10-11 No service East of Broadway Junction: Feb 17-19, 24-25 No mainline service: Feb 3-4, 10-11, 17-19, 24-25 Coney Island Bound service runs via Montague: Feb 2-5 Via Montague, both directions and local service in Brooklyn: Feb 9-12 Split service: Section 1: Ditmars and Queensboro Plz, Section 2: Times Sq and Coney Island: Feb 17-20 Service is Local in Manhattan: Feb 17-20 Split service: Section 1: 96 St and Coney Island, via West End, Section 2: Prospect Park and Coney Island: Feb 9-12 No service South of 36 St, Brooklyn; No late night service: Feb 9-12 Service operates to supplement the : Feb 24-25 Will the Times Square-Coney Island will be Express in Manhattan while the and cover the local service (daytime hours), and then local service on the will resume after the stops running? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted January 30, 2018 Share #1846 Posted January 30, 2018 Just now, darkstar8983 said: Will the Times Square-Coney Island will be Express in Manhattan while the and cover the local service (daytime hours), and then local service on the will resume after the stops running? As of now, it doesn’t specify that, so I’m assuming it’ll run local. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted January 31, 2018 Share #1847 Posted January 31, 2018 I saw a go poster that says to 179 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted February 1, 2018 Share #1848 Posted February 1, 2018 16 hours ago, BreeddekalbL said: I saw a go poster that says to 179 I saw many of those on QBL 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted February 2, 2018 Share #1849 Posted February 2, 2018 I'm guessing when they need to work on the 60th St tubes again, they will terminate trains at 96th St instead of 59th St, right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted February 2, 2018 Share #1850 Posted February 2, 2018 I don't think so. If the runs to 96 Street while the runs via 63rd Street, nothing will serve 5 Av-59 St or Lexington Av-59 St. You don't want to have all of those crosstown riders funneling onto the and trains, which would already be crowded because of the lack of cross-river service between Queensboro Plaza and Lexington Av. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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