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39 minutes ago, R68OnBroadway said:

Why not just have it run to Queensboro Plaza? (Or if you want to go crazy, have the (Q) run local in Manhattan for Broadway express work and have the (R) terminate on the express tracks at 42nd).

Queensboro Plaza can not handle the (N) and (R) at once.

Times Square may be a good idea but then you cause merging issues with the (N) and (Q) since the (N) runs on different headways then it normally does.

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2 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

Queensboro Plaza can not handle the (N) and (R) at once.

Times Square may be a good idea but then you cause merging issues with the (N) and (Q) since the (N) runs on different headways then it normally does.

I seriously doubt that QBP can’t handle both the (N)(R) - the (N) is scheduled to run 6 tph while the (R) runs 10 tph. Assuming that the (R) actually runs at 10 tph, you’ll have at most 16 tph to turn at QBP, which isn’t difficult to do (look at Crown Heights and 168th). 

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3 hours ago, R68OnBroadway said:

Why not just have it run to Queensboro Plaza? (Or if you want to go crazy, have the (Q) run local in Manhattan for Broadway express work and have the (R) terminate on the express tracks at 42nd).

(R) to Times Square and (Q) local is the ideal situation here IMO and something they used to do all the time with the (N) when 60th Street was out.

38 minutes ago, R68OnBroadway said:

I seriously doubt that QBP can’t handle both the (N)(R) - the (N) is scheduled to run 6 tph while the (R) runs 10 tph. Assuming that the (R) actually runs at 10 tph, you’ll have at most 16 tph to turn at QBP, which isn’t difficult to do (look at Crown Heights and 168th). 

When the (N) turns at QBP they usually only have one available track in the station and use the interlocking by the tunnel mouth to switch tracks so yes it wouldn't be able to handle both the (N) and (R) simultaneously. 

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2 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

(R) to Times Square and (Q) local is the ideal situation here IMO and something they used to do all the time with the (N) when 60th Street was out.

When the (N) turns at QBP they usually only have one available track in the station and use the interlocking by the tunnel mouth to switch tracks so yes it wouldn't be able to handle both the (N) and (R) simultaneously. 

Didnt they do that this year? I remember the (N) ended at Times Sq via Exp and the (Q) was local, still dont understand why they didnt send it to 96th St instead.

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Why not just extend the (R) to 179th st station whenever the (E) and (F) run local in both directions along the QBL during the weekend. 

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1 hour ago, R68OnBroadway said:

I seriously doubt that QBP can’t handle both the (N)(R) - the (N) is scheduled to run 6 tph while the (R) runs 10 tph. Assuming that the (R) actually runs at 10 tph, you’ll have at most 16 tph to turn at QBP, which isn’t difficult to do (look at Crown Heights and 168th). 

Since when?

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2 hours ago, Lex said:

Since when?

My bad-I looked back and saw I read the wrong schedule- I figured something was up and assumed it was a case of the MTA having missing trains (hence why I said “actually”).

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10 hours ago, Far rockaway said:

Why not just extend the (R) to 179th st station whenever the (E) and (F) run local in both directions along the QBL during the weekend. 

Because it’d mess up headways on the entire Manhattan IND and Brooklyn BMT worse than it does going to Continental now. (If (E)(F) each run every 8 minutes, or one train every 4 minutes, (R) has to fit in between, and switch delays accommodating (R) delays (E) and messes up (A)(C) headways, as well as (D) in Manhattan, and then slows (N)(Q) at 57th St, and (D)(N) in Bk as a result.)

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On 7/10/2019 at 9:06 PM, Far rockaway said:

STATION IMPROVEMENTS & ELECTRICAL WORK
Jul 19 - 22  •  Jul 26 - 29  •  Aug 2 - 5, 11:30 PM Fri to 5 AM Mon
(L) Service between Broadway Junction and Lorimer St in Brooklyn is replaced by free shuttle buses


(L) trains run in two sections:
  1. Between Rockaway Pkwy and Broadway Junction in Brooklyn, every 10 minutes days and evenings.
  2. Between Lorimer St, Brooklyn and 8 Av, Manhattan, every 20 minutes.

 Buses run in two sections making all stops:
  1. Between Broadway Junction and Myrtle-Wyckoff Avs.
  2. Between Myrtle-Wyckoff Avs and Lorimer St.

(M) service runs between Metropolitan Av and 47-50 Sts, via the (F) to/from Lexington Av/63 St and via the (Q) to/from 96 St, during the following hours:
10 PM Fri to 1:30 AM Sat  •  6 AM Sat to 1:30 AM Sun  •  6 AM Sun to 1:30 AM Mon

The Williamsburg Link B91A bus connects the Bedford Av (L) station with the (J)(M) at Marcy Av.

• For service between Brooklyn and Manhattan, consider the (A)(C) or (J) via transfer at Broadway Junction (L)  , or the (M) at Myrtle-Wyckoff Avs . 

NOTE: At Broadway Junction, all (L)trains board from the Jamaica-bound (J) platform.

They should really in this just have the (M) run the entire overnight to 96th-2nd.

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On 7/13/2019 at 12:44 AM, Deucey said:

Just wondering why, if (E)(F) runs local in both directions in Queens, (R) still runs to Continental instead of to Astoria or 96th St.

Is it the yard issue?

Lack of options at this point. Astoria is out due to the station rehab at Astoria Blvd. 96 Street is also out due to the M extension for the Canarsie work. They probably don't want to introduce a triple merge between the M, Q and R between Lexington Av-63 St and 57 Street.

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10 minutes ago, Lance said:

Lack of options at this point. Astoria is out due to the station rehab at Astoria Blvd. 96 Street is also out due to the M extension for the Canarsie work. They probably don't want to introduce a triple merge between the M, Q and R between Lexington Av-63 St and 57 Street.

Maybe run both the (N)(Q) local in Manhattan and then have the (R) run Whitehall-Bay Ridge? (I would schedule lower Broadway and Broadway express work at this time and end Manhattan bridge G.Os).

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Then you're just reducing service on Broadway. Even under the persistent 12-minute service levels, that's 15 trains per hour on Broadway under those conditions, ten on the local tracks and five on the express. Even if we remove the restriction, you'd have to boost N and Q service to meet the currently restricted levels overall. Also, you'd have to run the N via Whitehall, thus giving Sea Beach the extremely slow ride.

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14 hours ago, Deucey said:

Because it’d mess up headways on the entire Manhattan IND and Brooklyn BMT worse than it does going to Continental now. (If (E)(F) each run every 8 minutes, or one train every 4 minutes, (R) has to fit in between, and switch delays accommodating (R) delays (E) and messes up (A)(C) headways, as well as (D) in Manhattan, and then slows (N)(Q) at 57th St, and (D)(N) in Bk as a result.)

Not really, I think it's just the MTA being cheap, the (R) going to 179 would eliminate the obstacle of trains terminating infront of others (in the same 4 minute gap). So it would minimize the disruption. But it requires quite a number of extra crews and a few extra train sets so the MTA is content to grind it out the hard way.

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28 minutes ago, Jsunflyguy said:

Not really, I think it's just the MTA being cheap, the (R) going to 179 would eliminate the obstacle of trains terminating infront of others (in the same 4 minute gap). So it would minimize the disruption. But it requires quite a number of extra crews and a few extra train sets so the MTA is content to grind it out the hard way.

I seriously doubt any conductor or T.O. will be happy being stuck on the (R) any longer than they are now on the weekend given all the flagging and schedule padding... 

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51 minutes ago, R68OnBroadway said:

I seriously doubt any conductor or T.O. will be happy being stuck on the (R) any longer than they are now on the weekend given all the flagging and schedule padding... 

Nope, no more than anyone with a local (A) or a late Metro North Local, or any other slow boat to China, but we suck it up and do it.

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7 Av/Broadway Line will be completely suspended for two weekends in August due to interlocking work 96 St, with the (M) rerouted up Central Park West to 145 St to substitute: 

http://www.mta.info/press-release/nyc-transit/essential-work-replace-switches-and-tracks-96-st-set-begin-late-friday

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Essential Work to Replace Switches and Tracks at 96 St Set to Begin Late on Friday, July 19

Significant Weekend Service Changes Resulting from Work; Robust Alternate Service Plans Will Help Customers Commute While Work is Ongoing

MTA New York City Transit is performing critically important switch replacement work at the 96 Street Interlocking in Manhattan starting this month and robust alternate service plans will help customers get around the system while that work takes place. Beginning late in the evening of July 19, New York City Transit will deploy a network of alternate subway service on weekends and free bus shuttle service where there is no subway service in order to help connect customers impacted by the reroutes and service outages, which begin next weekend and are expected to culminate before the end of next month. That alternate service will include the extension of (4) trains to accommodate regular (3) train customers, enhanced service on local bus lines, and extended (M) train service up the West Side during the work’s final two weekends. Ultimately, the work will help improve long term service reliability and was chosen for completion during weekends in late July and August in order to impact the smallest amount of customers possible. 

The project will take place in phases, ultimately leading to the installation of entirely new switches between the northbound express and local tracks at the 96 Street Interlocking on the Seventh Avenue Line (1)(2)(3). The current switches were installed in 1990 and are nearing the end of their useful life. Workers will use the service outages to complete additional work as well in August up throughout numerous stations up and down the (1)(2)(3) line, including installing new track, repairing existing track and track beds, cleaning drains, and fixing signals.

....

PHASE 1:
Beginning late on the evening of July 19 and beginning late in the evening of July 26, (1) trains operate in two sections (South Ferry to 148 St on the (3); 242 St to 137 St), (2) trains operate normally, and (3) trains will not run.

PHASE 2:
Beginning late on the evening of August 2 and beginning late in the evening of August 9, (1) trains operate normally, (2) trains will run between Flatbush Av and 96 St, and (3) trains will not run. 

PHASE 3:
Beginning late on the evening of August 16-19 and beginning late in the evening of August 26-29, there will be a full suspension of service at (1)(2)(3) stations between Harlem and Downtown Brooklyn.

....

Phase 3: Late on the evening of August 16-19 and late on the evening of August 23-26
Local and express tracks out of service

(1) operates between Van Cortlandt Park-242 St and 137 St

No (1) service between 137 St and South Ferry

(2) operates between Wakefield-241 St and Flatbush Av via Lexington Avenue express

(3) suspended

No (2)(3) service at regular Manhattan stations and in Brooklyn at Clark St, Borough Hall, and Hoyt St

Additional weekend service

Subway

(4) extended to New Lots Av all weekend to replace   

(5) operates between Eastchester-Dyre Av and E 180 St all weekend

(S) 42 St Shuttle operates between Grand Central and Times Square all weekend, including overnight

(D) operates on local track at night between 145 St and 59 St-Columbus Circle

(M) rerouted to 145 St via Central Park West local track on Saturday and Sunday, supplementing the (C) on the west side of Manhattan 

Free weekend shuttle buses

Bus #1 operates between 137 St (1) and 110 St (C)((M)) ...

Bus #2 operates between 149 St-Grand Concourse (2)(4)(5) and 110 St (C)((M))...

Bus #3 operates between Harlem 148 St (3) and 110 St (C)((M))...

 

 

 

Edited by Mysterious2train
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1 hour ago, BreeddekalbL said:

Lol apparently @Wallyhorse proposed this identify yourself 😂

Oh, you mean the (M) to 145? 

Yes, I have suggested that before.  Still think you could have the (M) go to either 96/2 or 145/8 on weekends even after the (L) work is completed.

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What is the point of having the (2) running via Lexington Av when you could just have the (5) ? Have the (2) be the Dyre Shuttle and the (5) be the White Plains Road Local just like they did with the Clark St shutdown.

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My question is: is there an (M) to 145th Street program?

Also I don't have any insider information but I have a feeling than they'll probably have some R179s on the (M) that weekend and some artics on the M5, M7 and M104.

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So today I was taking a (5) from Flatbush to Franklin. They are skipping President northbound. Today however we stopped twice.once at president not long maybe half minute. Then another minute right by Rogers junction. I’m wondering what the procedure will Be for future days. If it will wait by President or by switch by Rogers. 

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17 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

My question is: is there an (M) to 145th Street program?

Also I don't have any insider information but I have a feeling than they'll probably have some R179s on the (M) that weekend and some artics on the M5, M7 and M104.

Generally the FIND covers most possible routes, even outlandish ones like (D) to Far Rock or (V) to Lefferts. So its likely in since its the 2nd logical terminal in Manhattan.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Jsunflyguy said:

Generally the FIND covers most possible routes, even outlandish ones like (D) to Far Rock or (V) to Lefferts. So its likely in since its the 2nd logical terminal in Manhattan.

 

 

There is currently no (M) program to 145th Street.

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20 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

My question is: is there an (M) to 145th Street program?

Also I don't have any insider information but I have a feeling than they'll probably have some R179s on the (M) that weekend and some artics on the M5, M7 and M104.

Yes there is an (M) to 145th St program.

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