Union Tpke Posted January 3, 2019 Share #2401 Posted January 3, 2019 The link to the 238th Street change page was removed from the NYCT page on the side. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted January 3, 2019 Share #2402 Posted January 3, 2019 48 minutes ago, Union Tpke said: The link to the 238th Street change page was removed from the NYCT page on the side. Yeah, they took down the blue wall at 238th St as well. They did a quick and fast job. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted January 4, 2019 Share #2403 Posted January 4, 2019 @Around the Horn Torture time for Fourth Avenue! EQUIPMENT PLACEMENT Jan 7 through Dec 31, Mon to Fri, 7 PM to 10:15 PM Trains run every 12 minutes • Astoria-bound trains run every 12 minutes beginning at 7 PM. • Coney Island-bound trains run every 12 minutes beginning at 8:15 PM trains run on a modified schedule because the and trains are sharing the Manhattan-bound local track in Brooklyn from 36 St to DeKalb Av. We are moving equipment into place for overnight planned work. EQUIPMENT PLACEMENT Jan 7 through Dec 31, Mon to Fri, beginning at 7 PM Manhattan-bound and trains make local stops at 25 St, Prospect Av, 4 Av-9 St, Union St and DeKalb Av in Brooklyn trains are rerouted to the local track as we move equipment into place for overnight planned work. trains are rerouted to the local track as we move equipment into place for overnight planned work. @RR503 What on earth can be the reasoning for this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted January 4, 2019 Share #2404 Posted January 4, 2019 SERVICE RESTORED Effective Wednesday, Jan 2 Manhattan-bound service restored at 238 St trains stop at 238 St in both directions. ______________________________ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted January 4, 2019 Share #2405 Posted January 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Union Tpke said: @Around the Horn Torture time for Fourth Avenue! EQUIPMENT PLACEMENT Jan 7 through Dec 31, Mon to Fri, 7 PM to 10:15 PM Trains run every 12 minutes • Astoria-bound trains run every 12 minutes beginning at 7 PM. • Coney Island-bound trains run every 12 minutes beginning at 8:15 PM trains run on a modified schedule because the and trains are sharing the Manhattan-bound local track in Brooklyn from 36 St to DeKalb Av. We are moving equipment into place for overnight planned work. EQUIPMENT PLACEMENT Jan 7 through Dec 31, Mon to Fri, beginning at 7 PM Manhattan-bound and trains make local stops at 25 St, Prospect Av, 4 Av-9 St, Union St and DeKalb Av in Brooklyn trains are rerouted to the local track as we move equipment into place for overnight planned work. trains are rerouted to the local track as we move equipment into place for overnight planned work. @RR503 What on earth can be the reasoning for this? YIPES! They already do this a lot. Basically, ever since all GO start times were moved back to the 9-10 range, work trains have to get out of 38th St yard ASAP after rush. These trains run slowly and rarely follow normal service routes, meaning they need to be slotted in carefully with all the other traffic. The way they've chosen to do that is to make the express tracks from 36 to Atlantic into a sort of holding pen for work trains, both so they have space to work with when merging it all in at Atlantic, and so they have somewhere to dump trains that leave the yard not as per schedule. A competent agency would figure out how to run the and on the local tracks at say, 6-8tph apiece (just write a functional supplement that can manage the work train interactions *gasp*), but I guess that's too much to ask... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abba Posted January 4, 2019 Share #2406 Posted January 4, 2019 They already have been doing this on a lot of nights now it’s just officiall 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted January 4, 2019 Share #2407 Posted January 4, 2019 Oh joy! At least I'll be traveling home at that hour (or home already) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrivera Posted January 6, 2019 Share #2408 Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) On 1/4/2019 at 2:25 PM, RR503 said: YIPES! They already do this a lot. Basically, ever since all GO start times were moved back to the 9-10 range, work trains have to get out of 38th St yard ASAP after rush. These trains run slowly and rarely follow normal service routes, meaning they need to be slotted in carefully with all the other traffic. The way they've chosen to do that is to make the express tracks from 36 to Atlantic into a sort of holding pen for work trains, both so they have space to work with when merging it all in at Atlantic, and so they have somewhere to dump trains that leave the yard not as per schedule. A competent agency would figure out how to run the and on the local tracks at say, 6-8tph apiece (just write a functional supplement that can manage the work train interactions *gasp*), but I guess that's too much to ask... Let’s just call it what it is: pilot programs for the next round of doomsday service cuts. This is like when the kept getting cut from QBL from 2005 onwards “in the name of maintenance”: Once the financial deficit is large enough, take these “low hanging fruit” cuts and make them permanent. Edited January 6, 2019 by paulrivera 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted January 6, 2019 Share #2409 Posted January 6, 2019 6 hours ago, paulrivera said: Let’s just call it what it is: pilot programs for the next round of doomsday service cuts. This is like when the kept getting cut from QBL from 2005 onwards “in the name of maintenance”: Once the financial deficit is large enough, take these “low hanging fruit” cuts and make them permanent. Same for midday . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted January 6, 2019 Share #2410 Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, paulrivera said: This is like when the kept getting cut from QBL from 2005 onwards “in the name of maintenance”: To be fair the being cut from Queens Blvd almost every weekend until being officially cut in 2010 had to do with the Queens Blvd having tons of weekend G.Os. And a slight correction, the Train being cut from Queens Blvd has happened as far back as 2003. Can't really put that one on Doomsday cuts because the being cut from Queens Blvd really had to do with the line being constantly having to be cut to Court Square due to the ongoing weekend G.Os almost every weekend. Edited January 6, 2019 by Daniel The Cool 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted January 6, 2019 Share #2411 Posted January 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Union Tpke said: Same for midday . I think you mean midday . The still runs middays. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted January 6, 2019 Share #2412 Posted January 6, 2019 48 minutes ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said: I think you mean midday . The still runs middays. He’s saying that the would be cut to rush hours only if more doomsday cuts arrive. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted January 6, 2019 Share #2413 Posted January 6, 2019 40 minutes ago, S78 via Hylan said: He’s saying that the would be cut to rush hours only if more doomsday cuts arrive. Precisely. They have had those changes with trains short-turning at 138th for ages now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted January 6, 2019 Share #2414 Posted January 6, 2019 1 hour ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said: I think you mean midday . The still runs middays. Werent the hours for the cut back? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrivera Posted January 6, 2019 Share #2415 Posted January 6, 2019 50 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: Werent the hours for the cut back? Yep, rush hours and early evenings. During the midday it was a net gain for the local stops tho (10 minutes pre-2010 vs 6 minutes now) This won’t be the case when the gets cut to rush hours only: it’ll still be 8 minute headways at the local stops in the Bronx because the Parkchester trains would instead be turning at 3rd Avenue. The Pelham Bay trains take the entire Bronx load in this scenario. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted January 6, 2019 Share #2416 Posted January 6, 2019 Another cut is late evening and , which were added in 2008. These often get cut for FasTrack or related repairs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrivera Posted January 6, 2019 Share #2417 Posted January 6, 2019 36 minutes ago, Union Tpke said: Another cut is late evening and , which were added in 2008. These often get cut for FasTrack or related repairs. How Astoria going from 12tph to 5tph in the evening hasn’t raised any alarm bells over there yet I’ll never know... I’ll say this tho: Good thing Yankee Stadium exists because if I had to go through a paltry 8tph combined between the and every weekend (we should have 13-14tph and in the 2000s we had 15tph), I’d be looking to move away from the Bronx asap. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted January 6, 2019 Share #2418 Posted January 6, 2019 45 minutes ago, Union Tpke said: Another cut is late evening and , which were added in 2008. These often get cut for FasTrack or related repairs. And the 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted January 6, 2019 Share #2419 Posted January 6, 2019 All of this comes back to the inefficiency of MTA work practices. Flagging is over-complicated, productivity is low, and contractor coordination is a bit of a joke. If we just could get our act together, we'd save time and money -- it isn't like these GOs are free/cost-positive... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatOne2k Posted January 7, 2019 Share #2420 Posted January 7, 2019 7 hours ago, Union Tpke said: Another cut is late evening and , which were added in 2008. These often get cut for FasTrack or related repairs. And the evening and weekend service. Possibly the late night service. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abba Posted January 7, 2019 Share #2421 Posted January 7, 2019 On 1/4/2019 at 2:25 PM, RR503 said: YIPES! They already do this a lot. Basically, ever since all GO start times were moved back to the 9-10 range, work trains have to get out of 38th St yard ASAP after rush. These trains run slowly and rarely follow normal service routes, meaning they need to be slotted in carefully with all the other traffic. The way they've chosen to do that is to make the express tracks from 36 to Atlantic into a sort of holding pen for work trains, both so they have space to work with when merging it all in at Atlantic, and so they have somewhere to dump trains that leave the yard not as per schedule. A competent agency would figure out how to run the and on the local tracks at say, 6-8tph apiece (just write a functional supplement that can manage the work train interactions *gasp*), but I guess that's too much to ask... I forgot to add that since 4 trains need to share track at DeKalb that’s probobaly why the modified schedule. They maybe could send the N via Whitehall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted January 7, 2019 Share #2422 Posted January 7, 2019 14 minutes ago, Abba said: I forgot to add that since 4 trains need to share track at DeKalb that’s probobaly why the modified schedule. They maybe could send the N via Whitehall. Completely neglected to mention that; thanks! Usually though, the ends early for some other reason meaning Dekalb wall is taking . That said, even under good conditions, the agency struggles to run more than 20-24tph/track when merges aren’t really being scheduled—as would be true here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abba Posted January 7, 2019 Share #2423 Posted January 7, 2019 The Dosent end till around 8:55 at DeKalb when ending early 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted January 7, 2019 Share #2424 Posted January 7, 2019 23 minutes ago, Abba said: The Dosent end till around 8:55 at DeKalb when ending early But that’s Brooklyn bound, no? Doesn’t the last Manhattan bound train leave a bit earlier? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abba Posted January 7, 2019 Share #2425 Posted January 7, 2019 The last B usually leaves Brighton at 8:35 but that’s after they start local on 4th ave which is around 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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