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@Around the Horn Torture time for Fourth Avenue!

EQUIPMENT PLACEMENT
Jan 7 through Dec 31, Mon to Fri, 7 PM to 10:15 PM
(N) Trains run every 12 minutes


• Astoria-bound (N) trains run every 12 minutes beginning at 7 PM.
• Coney Island-bound (N) trains run every 12 minutes beginning at 8:15 PM

 trains run on a modified schedule because the (D)(N)and (R) trains are sharing the Manhattan-bound local track in Brooklyn from 36 St to DeKalb Av. We are moving equipment into place for overnight planned work. 

 


EQUIPMENT PLACEMENT
Jan 7 through Dec 31, Mon to Fri, beginning at 7 PM
Manhattan-bound  and  trains make local stops at 25 St, Prospect Av, 4 Av-9 St, Union St and DeKalb Av in Brooklyn


(D)(N)  trains are rerouted to the local (R) track as we move equipment into place for overnight planned work. 

(D)(N)   trains are rerouted to the local (R) track as we move equipment into place for overnight planned work. 

@RR503 What on earth can be the reasoning for this?

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1 minute ago, Union Tpke said:

@Around the Horn Torture time for Fourth Avenue!

EQUIPMENT PLACEMENT
Jan 7 through Dec 31, Mon to Fri, 7 PM to 10:15 PM
(N) Trains run every 12 minutes


• Astoria-bound (N) trains run every 12 minutes beginning at 7 PM.
• Coney Island-bound (N) trains run every 12 minutes beginning at 8:15 PM

 trains run on a modified schedule because the (D)(N)and (R) trains are sharing the Manhattan-bound local track in Brooklyn from 36 St to DeKalb Av. We are moving equipment into place for overnight planned work. 

 


EQUIPMENT PLACEMENT
Jan 7 through Dec 31, Mon to Fri, beginning at 7 PM
Manhattan-bound  and  trains make local stops at 25 St, Prospect Av, 4 Av-9 St, Union St and DeKalb Av in Brooklyn


(D)(N)  trains are rerouted to the local (R) track as we move equipment into place for overnight planned work. 

(D)(N)   trains are rerouted to the local (R) track as we move equipment into place for overnight planned work. 

@RR503 What on earth can be the reasoning for this?

YIPES! They already do this a lot. Basically, ever since all GO start times were moved back to the 9-10 range, work trains have to get out of 38th St yard ASAP after rush. These trains run slowly and rarely follow normal service routes, meaning they need to be slotted in carefully with all the other traffic. The way they've chosen to do that is to make the express tracks from 36 to Atlantic into a sort of holding pen for work trains, both so they have space to work with when merging it all in at Atlantic, and so they have somewhere to dump trains that leave the yard not as per schedule. 

A competent agency would figure out how to run the (D)(N) and (R) on the local tracks at say, 6-8tph apiece (just write a functional supplement that can manage the work train interactions *gasp*), but I guess that's too much to ask... 

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On 1/4/2019 at 2:25 PM, RR503 said:

YIPES! They already do this a lot. Basically, ever since all GO start times were moved back to the 9-10 range, work trains have to get out of 38th St yard ASAP after rush. These trains run slowly and rarely follow normal service routes, meaning they need to be slotted in carefully with all the other traffic. The way they've chosen to do that is to make the express tracks from 36 to Atlantic into a sort of holding pen for work trains, both so they have space to work with when merging it all in at Atlantic, and so they have somewhere to dump trains that leave the yard not as per schedule. 

A competent agency would figure out how to run the (D)(N) and (R) on the local tracks at say, 6-8tph apiece (just write a functional supplement that can manage the work train interactions *gasp*), but I guess that's too much to ask... 

Let’s just call it what it is: pilot programs for the next round of doomsday service cuts. This is like when the (G) kept getting cut from QBL from 2005 onwards “in the name of maintenance”: Once the financial deficit is large enough, take these “low hanging fruit” cuts and make them permanent.

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6 hours ago, paulrivera said:

Let’s just call it what it is: pilot programs for the next round of doomsday service cuts. This is like when the (G) kept getting cut from QBL from 2005 onwards “in the name of maintenance”: Once the financial deficit is large enough, take these “low hanging fruit” cuts and make them permanent.

Same for midday <6>.

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10 hours ago, paulrivera said:

This is like when the (G) kept getting cut from QBL from 2005 onwards “in the name of maintenance”: 

To be fair the (G) being cut from Queens Blvd almost every weekend until being officially cut in 2010 had to do with the Queens Blvd having tons of weekend G.Os. And a slight correction, the (G) Train being cut from Queens Blvd has happened as far back as 2003. Can't really put that one on Doomsday cuts because the (G) being cut from Queens Blvd really had to do with the line being constantly having to be cut to Court Square due to the ongoing weekend G.Os almost every weekend.

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50 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

Werent the hours for the <7> cut back? 

Yep, rush hours and early evenings. During the midday it was a net gain for the local stops tho (10 minutes pre-2010 vs 6 minutes now)

This won’t be the case when the <6> gets cut to rush hours only: it’ll still be 8 minute headways at the local stops in the Bronx because the Parkchester trains would instead be turning at 3rd Avenue. The Pelham Bay trains take the entire Bronx load in this scenario.

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36 minutes ago, Union Tpke said:

Another cut is late evening (B) and (W) , which were added in 2008. These often get cut for FasTrack or related repairs.

How Astoria going from 12tph to 5tph in the evening hasn’t raised any alarm bells over there yet I’ll never know...

I’ll say this tho: Good thing Yankee Stadium exists because if I had to go through a paltry 8tph combined between the (4) and (D) every weekend (we should have 13-14tph and in the 2000s we had 15tph), I’d be looking to move away from the Bronx asap.

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All of this comes back to the inefficiency of MTA work practices. Flagging is over-complicated, productivity is low, and contractor coordination is a bit of a joke. If we just could get our act together, we'd save time and money -- it isn't like these GOs are free/cost-positive...

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On 1/4/2019 at 2:25 PM, RR503 said:

YIPES! They already do this a lot. Basically, ever since all GO start times were moved back to the 9-10 range, work trains have to get out of 38th St yard ASAP after rush. These trains run slowly and rarely follow normal service routes, meaning they need to be slotted in carefully with all the other traffic. The way they've chosen to do that is to make the express tracks from 36 to Atlantic into a sort of holding pen for work trains, both so they have space to work with when merging it all in at Atlantic, and so they have somewhere to dump trains that leave the yard not as per schedule. 

A competent agency would figure out how to run the (D)(N) and (R) on the local tracks at say, 6-8tph apiece (just write a functional supplement that can manage the work train interactions *gasp*), but I guess that's too much to ask... 

I forgot to add that since 4 trains need to share track at DeKalb that’s probobaly why the modified schedule. They maybe could send the N via Whitehall.

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14 minutes ago, Abba said:

I forgot to add that since 4 trains need to share track at DeKalb that’s probobaly why the modified schedule. They maybe could send the N via Whitehall.

Completely neglected to mention that; thanks! Usually though, the (B) ends early for some other reason meaning Dekalb wall is taking (D)(N)(Q). That said, even under good conditions, the agency struggles to run more than 20-24tph/track when merges aren’t really being scheduled—as would be true here. 

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