BM5 via Woodhaven Posted August 19, 2012 Author Share #126 Posted August 19, 2012 Southeast Queens don't need a subway. It already has buses and dollar vans serving every single corridor of that area, and they'll get people to Jamaica faster than a that terminates at Springfield Gardens. This it what leads to Queens' transit troubles. Poor subway options and packed buses, as well as riders with long commutes. If a subway were built further into Queens. You don't know how much revenue the MTA will get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
error46146 Posted August 19, 2012 Share #127 Posted August 19, 2012 Southeast Queens don't need a subway. It already has buses and dollar vans serving every single corridor of that area, and they'll get people to Jamaica faster than a that terminates at Springfield Gardens. If the subway was built then there wouldn't be a need for the buses and dollar vans... And I don't think that everyone that lives in Springfield Gardens only goes to Jamaica.. Jamaica is not the center of the City; many people still have to go to points beyond. If anything, getting to Jamaica is only a third of their commute. Again, the subway was supposed to be built.. the provisions for an expansion are already there.. I think its time that we finish the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted August 19, 2012 Share #128 Posted August 19, 2012 If the subway was built then there wouldn't be a need for the buses and dollar vans... And I don't think that everyone that lives in Springfield Gardens only goes to Jamaica.. Jamaica is not the center of the City; many people still have to go to points beyond. If anything, getting to Jamaica is only a third of their commute. Again, the subway was supposed to be built.. the provisions for an expansion are already there.. I think its time that we finish the job. I would extend the to Floral Park, extend the to Southeast Queens via Farmers Blvd, and extend the and to Springfield Blvd via Jamaica Avenue and Linden Blvd. The problem is, where does the money come from to do this? Such an expansion would take at least 8 years, and you'd have to be working on them at the same time.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted August 19, 2012 Share #129 Posted August 19, 2012 TBH, any extension would first need an improvement of QBL capacity, like the super-express bypass. If not, crowding would just get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted August 19, 2012 Share #130 Posted August 19, 2012 This isn't necessarily true... The Rockaways... Heh... I'd beg to differ... OK VG8 you against subways further into the outerboros. You against a light rail(my plan VG8 rejected although he never heard of it lol)and more 'express buses." VG8 not everyone is going to Manhattan. So what you propose (VG8 has probably has no plan it's only his self-center world LOL)for someone in SE Queens going to work in Long Island City. Seriously getting tired of VG8 loving express bus and not offering solutions for those students/workers NOT GOING TO MANHATTAN? In other Intra-Boro Travel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted August 19, 2012 Share #131 Posted August 19, 2012 TBH, any extension would first need an improvement of QBL capacity, like the super-express bypass. If not, crowding would just get worse. Well, when CBTC comes hopefully QB can handle at least 35 TPH on each track, but I agree that the LIE bypass should be built. Certain <E> or trains could use it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted August 19, 2012 Share #132 Posted August 19, 2012 Well, when CBTC comes hopefully QB can handle at least 35 TPH on each track, but I agree that the LIE bypass should be built. Certain <E> or trains could use it.... And what about the NIMBY's Threxx who blocked a LIE Bypass for the QB lines since it was first mentioned in IND early days in the 1930's and again proposed several times since the 1960's with the 63rd Tunnel plans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted August 19, 2012 Share #133 Posted August 19, 2012 And what about the NIMBY's Threxx who blocked a LIE Bypass for the QB lines since it was first mentioned in IND early days in the 1930's and again proposed several times since the 1960's with the 63rd Tunnel plans? The bypass does not need to use the LIE, it could be right under the current tracks if it has to be.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted August 19, 2012 Share #134 Posted August 19, 2012 Well, when CBTC comes hopefully QB can handle at least 35 TPH on each track, but I agree that the LIE bypass should be built. Certain <E> or trains could use it.... If there's not enough physical capacity at stations, no signal system will change that - so 35TPH is unlikely to happen. A lot more practical would be a QBL bypass via the LIRR ROW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY1635 Posted August 19, 2012 Share #135 Posted August 19, 2012 If the subway was built then there wouldn't be a need for the buses and dollar vans... And I don't think that everyone that lives in Springfield Gardens only goes to Jamaica.. Jamaica is not the center of the City; many people still have to go to points beyond. If anything, getting to Jamaica is only a third of their commute. Again, the subway was supposed to be built.. the provisions for an expansion are already there.. I think its time that we finish the job. I don't expect buses to go away when there's a Southeast Queens. The to Southeast Queens will give people a much needed alternative to buses like the Q5 or the Q85 for starters and reduce the crowding on those buses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted August 19, 2012 Share #136 Posted August 19, 2012 And to those who propose extending the or bulid the QB bypass couple of questions? 1)Where does it go to it? 2)Where the $$$ to pay for it? 3)How you address NIMBY concerns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted August 19, 2012 Share #137 Posted August 19, 2012 I don't expect buses to go away when there's a Southeast Queens. The to Southeast Queens will give people a much needed alternative to buses like the Q5 or the Q85 for starters and reduce the crowding on those buses. I don't think anybody intends for the subway to completely replace the buses, but just release pressure from them. And to those who propose extending the or bulid the QB bypass couple of questions? 1)Where does it go to it? 2)Where the $$$ to pay for it? 3)How you address NIMBY concerns? Where could it go? Have the take over the LIRR branch that serves Laurelton and have it end there. Have all LIRR trains run along the St. albans branch. Money? Apply for federal funds (it shouldn't be that much since there wouldn't be a whole lot of new track laid). For NIMBY concerns, it's existing track, so what valid concern could they realistically have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q10 Airport Posted August 19, 2012 Share #138 Posted August 19, 2012 And to those who propose extending the or bulid the QB bypass couple of questions? 1)Where does it go to it? 2)Where the $$$ to pay for it? 3)How you address NIMBY concerns? Here are the answers: 1) The Jamaica Avenue area would make the most sense. I know some propose sending the down Merrick, but the fact is that the extra tracks (which extend to 160th Street) are for a provision to extend east through the Jamaica Avenue area. 2) The $$$ isn't there. If it weren't for $$$ a line would be already be going down Jamaica Avenue within blocks of the Nassau County border. 3) There will always be NIMBY concerns. They will be annoyed with construction under Jamaica Avenue. Convince the NIMBY's that the end result will be better mass transit for their neighborhood, because even they will admit that it can't get much worse (for NYC standards). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY1635 Posted August 19, 2012 Share #139 Posted August 19, 2012 I don't think anybody intends for the subway to completely replace the buses, but just release pressure from them. Where could it go? Have the take over the LIRR branch that serves Laurelton and have it end there. Have all LIRR trains run along the St. albans branch. Money? Apply for federal funds (it shouldn't be that much since there wouldn't be a whole lot of new track laid). For NIMBY concerns, it's existing track, so what valid concern could they realistically have? How long will it take to convert a LIRR station, or branch into a subway stop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted August 19, 2012 Share #140 Posted August 19, 2012 How long will it take to convert a LIRR station, or branch into a subway stop? I doubt it would take too long. Remember that the in the Rockaways used to be an old LIRR branch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted August 19, 2012 Share #141 Posted August 19, 2012 I doubt it would take too long. Remember that the in the Rockaways used to be an old LIRR branch. That took 4 years, that's another 4 years in which things will only get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted August 19, 2012 Share #142 Posted August 19, 2012 That took 4 years, that's another 4 years in which things will only get worse. That was because the entire bridge was destroyed and they had to construct artificial islands for the new tracks. There's nothing of the sort in this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted August 19, 2012 Share #143 Posted August 19, 2012 @Shortline Bus... I thought I clarified myself earlier on in this thread. A lot of Eastern Queens has a suburban feel and is less densely populated and thus the biggest bang for the buck would be to extend or create new bus routes. Unfortunately, IMO, a lot of Queens is set up like Staten Island in terms of intra-borough travel which means that commuting within the borough can be downright painful. The quickest way to alleviate some problems is to improve local bus service in Queens and have more buses acting as connectors. Down the road, perhaps subway extensions can be made, though quite frankly I think it's a terrible idea as it would be costly and extensive and destroy the character of some areas. Not every neighborhood needs subway service, nor does every area want it. We have the Second Avenue subway as proof... Light rails are another possibility but quite frankly some areas would be just fine with improved, speedier bus service (i.e. more limited stop service) and MORE artics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted August 19, 2012 Share #144 Posted August 19, 2012 Second Avenue needs a subway; although they might not like the construction process, the subway itself is needed to help the . With SE Queens, there are so many people that they need a subway. And no, a subway will only help the neighborhood with its overcrowding issues; there's not much more buses can do. Trains are more efficient, whether you like it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted August 19, 2012 Author Share #145 Posted August 19, 2012 Second Avenue needs a subway; although they might not like the construction process, the subway itself is needed to help the . With SE Queens, there are so many people that they need a subway. And no, a subway will only help the neighborhood with its overcrowding issues; there's not much more buses can do. Trains are more efficient, whether you like it or not. Quite frankly, he's right. The major corridors along that area NEED an Extention of the subway. Buses are too piled up, and the subway can Allieviate some of that overcrowding of the buses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemoreira81 Posted August 19, 2012 Share #146 Posted August 19, 2012 Speaking of the Rockaways, this was brought up before, but why not restructure the Q35 as a limited in Queens and put it on Rockaway Beach Boulevard instead of Newport Avenue? Then it could run to and from Arverne at all times, allowing for better connections with the subways at Brooklyn College, instead of a long Q52 ride to Woodhaven. This is how I would run the Q35 as a full-time limited: Eastbound to Arverne: H and Nostrand Flatbush Avenue and Kings Highway Avenue N (moved from Avenue P) Fillmore Avenue (added) Avenue S Avenue U Marine Park Golf Club Aviator Sports Gateway main entrance State Road cutoff Riis Park - bathhouse Rockaway Beach Boulevard and Beach 149 Street Beach 135 Street Beach 125 Street Beach 115 Street Beach 108 Street Beach 105 Street Beach 102 Street Beach 96 Street Beach 91 Street Beach 86 Street Beach 81 Street Beach 73 Street Beach 69 Street Beach 67 Street (last stop) Westbound Reverse all stops except: Beach 126 Street instead of Beach 125 Street No Fillmore Avenue northbound stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted August 19, 2012 Author Share #147 Posted August 19, 2012 Speaking of the Rockaways, this was brought up before, but why not restructure the Q35 as a limited in Queens and put it on Rockaway Beach Boulevard instead of Newport Avenue? Then it could run to and from Arverne at all times, allowing for better connections with the subways at Brooklyn College, instead of a long Q52 ride to Woodhaven. This is how I would run the Q35 as a full-time limited: Eastbound to Arverne: H and Nostrand Flatbush Avenue and Kings Highway Avenue N (moved from Avenue P) Fillmore Avenue (added) Avenue S Avenue U Marine Park Golf Club Aviator Sports Gateway main entrance State Road cutoff Riis Park - bathhouse Rockaway Beach Boulevard and Beach 149 Street Beach 135 Street Beach 125 Street Beach 115 Street Beach 108 Street Beach 105 Street Beach 102 Street Beach 96 Street Beach 91 Street Beach 86 Street Beach 81 Street Beach 73 Street Beach 69 Street Beach 67 Street (last stop) Westbound Reverse all stops except: Beach 126 Street instead of Beach 125 Street No Fillmore Avenue northbound stop No. Past 116 street the Q22 doesn't get a lot of usage as from Far Rockaway to 116 st. More people prefer Newport Avenue. Most of the ridership of the Q35 is on Newport Avenue and is evenly distributed among the stops. Any Extention the 35 needs is none. The 22 is fine being the only local, as the Q52/Q53 pick up the slack of riders that goes to the mainland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemoreira81 Posted August 19, 2012 Share #148 Posted August 19, 2012 Second post in general---the state and city need to cut waste from the budget so that the E can be extended down into southeastern Queens. Also, there should be a need for a crosstown Queens bus that extends across southern Queens, which is too much of a spoke-and-hub model, even if this is a Monday-Saturday only route (6 AM to 10 PM weekdays and 8 AM to 8 PM Saturdays). One such route that I would suggest would run from the JFK Central Terminal Area north, via 148 Street, 150 Street, Rockaway Boulevard, Baisley Boulevard, Linden Boulevard, Springfield Boulevard (looping to serve Queensboro Community College), Horace Harding Boulevard, 61 Avenue (to provide service into Douglaston, and then Marcus Avenue via North Shore Towers into LIJ. 20 minutes peak, 30 minutes off-peak and Saturdays. Other extensions I would do: Send alternating Q43 trips via 61 Avenue in Douglaston to LIJ on weekdays and Saturdays (as one can make the argument that the eastern end of the line into Floral Park is a bit overserved; service there would not drop below 20 minute headways) to provide service into a transit desert. Deepdale and Douglaston have historically gotten the shaft. No. Past 116 street the Q22 doesn't get a lot of usage as from Far Rockaway to 116 st. More people prefer Newport Avenue. Most of the ridership of the Q35 is on Newport Avenue and is evenly distributed among the stops. Any Extention the 35 needs is none. The 22 is fine being the only local, as the Q52/Q53 pick up the slack of riders that goes to the mainland I can agree with keeping the Q35 on Newport---however, riders into eastern Rockaway Park, Hammels, and Arverne need better transit options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted August 19, 2012 Share #149 Posted August 19, 2012 Second Avenue needs a subway; although they might not like the construction process, the subway itself is needed to help the . With SE Queens, there are so many people that they need a subway. And no, a subway will only help the neighborhood with its overcrowding issues; there's not much more buses can do. Trains are more efficient, whether you like it or not. Yeah, but they are expensive and timely to build. At this rate who knows when or IF the full Second Avenue project will be completed. All of the folks yelling for subway service... Where do we find the money for these extensions #1 and #2 how long do they take to be completed? That's the question no one can answer. Improving bus service in the near future can be done and at a relatively low cost compared to the subway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted August 19, 2012 Share #150 Posted August 19, 2012 Yeah, but they are expensive and timely to build. At this rate who knows when the full Second Avenue project will be completed. All of the folks yelling for subway service... Where do we find the money for these extensions #1 and #2 how long do they take to be completed? That's the question no one can answer. Improving bus service in the near future can be done and at a relatively low cost compared to the subway. Um, if you didn't realize, most of Phase 2 is already constructed from the 70's, and we can apply for federal funds for Phase 3.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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