N4 Via Merrick Rd Posted August 17, 2012 Share #76 Posted August 17, 2012 Seems like I know Long Island better than you... I know that. I just don't give too much thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted August 18, 2012 Share #77 Posted August 18, 2012 LOL!!! And when was this??? I think you're confused. I even have people telling me that they were in Riverdale when they were really in Kingsbridge. Riverdale ends at Riverdale Avenue at the end of the hill to the right and to the left. Everything else is NOT Riverdale. I guess we came to have one of the lowest crime rates in NYC over night... indeed it was in riverdale and kingsbridge, those two areas primarily. I mean come on riverdale has come a long way yes, but it wasnt always perfect, and it still isnt perfect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted August 18, 2012 Share #78 Posted August 18, 2012 indeed it was in riverdale and kingsbridge, those two areas primarily. I mean come on riverdale has come a long way yes, but it wasnt always perfect, and it still isnt perfect When has Riverdale come a long way??? The area has always been an affluent neighborhood... You are clearly confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted August 18, 2012 Share #79 Posted August 18, 2012 indeed it was in riverdale and kingsbridge, those two areas primarily. I mean come on riverdale has come a long way yes, but it wasnt always perfect, and it still isnt perfect I don't know where you're getting that information from. I mean, people everywhere use drugs, but I doubt it's ever had a high crime rate. The point some of you have made in the last few posts is why I don't like the city-data forums...... Any area where it's predominately black or hispanic, stay away, tread with caution.... Sarcastic askings of questions such as 'is this area dangerous' or 'is this area safe' when referring to such neighborhoods don't help matters either..... Yeah, people will make what they want to out of certain neighborhoods alright..... To be honest, at first I thought that stuff was mostly on the LI forums, but I can kind of see it on the NYC forums too, though obviously to a lesser extent. I remember when I first saw the site, there were a ton of threads talking about "there's day laborers hanging out there, so it must be bad", and even a few idiots who say things like "Diversity is ruining Long Island" (and of course, most of them are too stupid to realize that an area that's 90% Black is no more diverse than an area that's 90% White). It's calmed down, though compared to before (and no surprise, Pinepower was on those forums). In the NYC forum, I think most of those "Is it safe" questions are asked by newcomers who are genuinely interested in the area (The LI forum has more of the forums where people make threads specifically talking about "Oh _____ is so bad"). But I can't say there isn't a bias against minority areas, though. Part of the reason I made the "Safety Map" was to cut down on the number of "Is it safe?" threads (I mean, genuine interest or not, we don't need 5 threads asking about Washington Heights). But really, I only intended for it to be for SI, which was the only part of the map I really take personal responsibility for (because I pretty much know the borough inside & out). When I did the other boroughs, I noticed people were quicker to add minority areas to the map than White areas. (I mean, the original map had all of SE Queens as yellow, which was obviously changed). I tried to get some of them removed, but people kept using the poorly-worded original criteria as an excuse to keep them. Eventually, I just figured "Well, this is what would've been in a bunch of threads if it weren't for the map", so I just didn't argue against it. I mean, I wouldn't say it's a racist forum (I mean, most of the NYC members are minorities themselves), but there is at least some bias in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted August 18, 2012 Share #80 Posted August 18, 2012 I don't know where you're getting that information from. I mean, people everywhere use drugs, but I doubt it's ever had a high crime rate. To be honest, at first I thought that stuff was mostly on the LI forums, but I can kind of see it on the NYC forums too, though obviously to a lesser extent. I remember when I first saw the site, there were a ton of threads talking about "there's day laborers hanging out there, so it must be bad", and even a few idiots who say things like "Diversity is ruining Long Island" (and of course, most of them are too stupid to realize that an area that's 90% Black is no more diverse than an area that's 90% White). It's calmed down, though compared to before (and no surprise, Pinepower was on those forums). In the NYC forum, I think most of those "Is it safe" questions are asked by newcomers who are genuinely interested in the area (The LI forum has more of the forums where people make threads specifically talking about "Oh _____ is so bad"). But I can't say there isn't a bias against minority areas, though. Part of the reason I made the "Safety Map" was to cut down on the number of "Is it safe?" threads (I mean, genuine interest or not, we don't need 5 threads asking about Washington Heights). But really, I only intended for it to be for SI, which was the only part of the map I really take personal responsibility for (because I pretty much know the borough inside & out). When I did the other boroughs, I noticed people were quicker to add minority areas to the map than White areas. (I mean, the original map had all of SE Queens as yellow, which was obviously changed). I tried to get some of them removed, but people kept using the poorly-worded original criteria as an excuse to keep them. Eventually, I just figured "Well, this is what would've been in a bunch of threads if it weren't for the map", so I just didn't argue against it. I mean, I wouldn't say it's a racist forum (I mean, most of the NYC members are minorities themselves), but there is at least some bias in that regard. The drug wars were in the 80s checkmatein northernwestern bronx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted August 18, 2012 Share #81 Posted August 18, 2012 The drug wars were in the 80s checkmate in northernwestern bronx I dunno. The whole city was pretty bad in the 80s. It's crime rate was probably still well below the city average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted August 18, 2012 Share #82 Posted August 18, 2012 Forget Via. He won't listen. All he wants are houses to be destroyed to make room for mansions, roads changed into highways, and the subway would become a railroad with a $5.00 fare. Everyone would be poor except for the rich white folks which he seems to support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JubaionBx12+SBS Posted August 18, 2012 Share #83 Posted August 18, 2012 Forget Via. He won't listen. All he wants are houses to be destroyed to make room for mansions, roads changed into highways, and the subway would become a railroad with a $5.00 fare. Everyone would be poor except for the rich white folks which he seems to support. a little extreme if you ask me, even for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted August 18, 2012 Author Share #84 Posted August 18, 2012 My brother was once stopped because the cop thought he had a holster, although it was actually his sunglass case at his side. One time I was stopped by 3 undercovers in Jamaica Queens in front of my man's house because they thought I had a bag of weed in my hand. It was in reality a stupid matchbook and I was going to light up a cigarette. They were like "never mind" jumped back in the car (Was it a Chevy Impala? Yeah it was...) and sped off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted August 18, 2012 Share #85 Posted August 18, 2012 Forget Via. He won't listen. All he wants are houses to be destroyed to make room for mansions, roads changed into highways, and the subway would become a railroad with a $5.00 fare. Everyone would be poor except for the rich white folks which he seems to support. Ok, but.... Coming from the same guy who says all the projects in SI should be torn down & sent to Canarsie, you have room to talk..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted August 18, 2012 Share #86 Posted August 18, 2012 Ok, but.... Coming from the same guy who says all the projects in SI should be torn down & sent to Canarsie, you have room to talk..... I hope he still doesn't believe Canarsie is full of projects, cause if he does well I feel really bad for him when he finds out it's mostly houses around that area along with a few projects and apartments. If someone talks trash about a place they've never been too in their entire life then they shouldn't be taken seriously IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted August 18, 2012 Share #87 Posted August 18, 2012 I hope he still doesn't believe Canarsie is full of projects, cause if he does well I feel really bad for him when he finds out it's mostly houses around that area along with a few projects and apartments. Irrelevant. Canarsie is a neighborhood where the lights have gone off quite a long time ago and have yet to come back on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peacemak3r Posted August 18, 2012 Share #88 Posted August 18, 2012 Forget Via. He won't listen. All he wants are houses to be destroyed to make room for mansions, roads changed into highways, and the subway would become a railroad with a $5.00 fare. Everyone would be poor except for the rich white folks which he seems to support. If I recall, he agreed to my post and I'm sure me and Via are very well different in some views. And I'm in total agreeing with B35. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted August 18, 2012 Share #89 Posted August 18, 2012 Irrelevant. Canarsie is a neighborhood where the lights have gone off quite a long time ago and have yet to come back on. It's crime rate is comparable to areas like Kensington, which people really don't consider bad, so I guess the lights have gone out on most of the city then..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted August 18, 2012 Share #90 Posted August 18, 2012 I've been reading through the past few pages, and I'll chip in my two cents. I used to live in Brownsville, and I can tell you first hand, it wasn't easy living there. This is one of the few situations where I have to say the media isn't overhyping anything. It really is that bad. It's been like that for decades, and it won't be easy to fix. As for the affluence discussion going on above this post, some people really need to think about if they are in a position to criticize. That goes to everyone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted August 19, 2012 Share #91 Posted August 19, 2012 Forget Via. He won't listen. All he wants are houses to be destroyed to make room for mansions, roads changed into highways, and the subway would become a railroad with a $5.00 fare. Everyone would be poor except for the rich white folks which he seems to support. LOL! You're one to talk... What I support is gentrification and a strong middle and upper middle class. No, I don't necessarily support projects per se because of the crime issue. When you have neighborhoods like Brownsville with high levels of projects, you usually end up with high levels of crime, though of course there are some exceptions. Quite frankly I would get rid of projects all together and create a system in which folks had temporary housing in apartments. Projects create an environment that allows folks to be lazy and not earn their keep. Now I know I'm going to hear the well there are plenty of folks that live in projects that are hard working, which is fine and good, but they aren't in the majority and that's the problem. When I would wait for the express bus sometimes over by Hylan Blvd or by the Todt Hill Houses in Staten Island, I'd see these types of individuals... Shiftless types draining the system and laying around all day while hard working upper middle class folks like myself get killed in taxes. That is socialism to the extreme and that helps to foster neighborhoods like Brownsville. I mean what do these folks have to look up to but drug dealers and crime?? Then the other issue is how projects hold down not only the neighborhoods that they are in but also the surrounding communities. I mean look at the Bronx. It has a high crime rate and also I believe has the highest amount of housing projects out of all of the other boroughs. It is no coincidence that neighborhoods like Riverdale and neighborhoods in the Bronx (i.e. Country Club, Schulyerville, etc.) have some of the lowest crime rates in the entire city... There are no projects... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted August 19, 2012 Share #92 Posted August 19, 2012 Da fuq did I just read??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted August 19, 2012 Share #93 Posted August 19, 2012 It's crime rate is comparable to areas like Kensington, which people really don't consider bad, so I guess the lights have gone out on most of the city then..... compstat nonsense has no place here, we're discussing reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astoria Line Posted August 19, 2012 Share #94 Posted August 19, 2012 LOL! You're one to talk... What I support is gentrification and a strong middle and upper middle class. No, I don't necessarily support projects per se because of the crime issue. When you have neighborhoods like Brownsville with high levels of projects, you usually end up with high levels of crime, though of course there are some exceptions. Quite frankly I would get rid of projects all together and create a system in which folks had temporary housing in apartments. Projects create an environment that allows folks to be lazy and not earn their keep. Now I know I'm going to hear the well there are plenty of folks that live in projects that are hard working, which is fine and good, but they aren't in the majority and that's the problem. When I would wait for the express bus sometimes over by Hylan Blvd or by the Todt Hill Houses in Staten Island, I'd see these types of individuals... Shiftless types draining the system and laying around all day while hard working upper middle class folks like myself get killed in taxes. That is socialism to the extreme and that helps to foster neighborhoods like Brownsville. I mean what do these folks have to look up to but drug dealers and crime?? Then the other issue is how projects hold down not only the neighborhoods that they are in but also the surrounding communities. I mean look at the Bronx. It has a high crime rate and also I believe has the highest amount of housing projects out of all of the other boroughs. It is no coincidence that neighborhoods like Riverdale and neighborhoods in the Bronx (i.e. Country Club, Schulyerville, etc.) have some of the lowest crime rates in the entire city... There are no projects... Not all the people in the projects are bad and contribute to crime.. Only a small majority of people in the projects are troublemakers.. Many people in the projects are hard working people trying to better themselves and their life.. I was one of those people.. You can try to help people in the projects as well, they need it the most.... VG8 you can't judge people in the projects on what you have seen and heard, you have to live there to see... Look at it from others view before making the type of judgments that you do, this is why people have a problem with you.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted August 19, 2012 Share #95 Posted August 19, 2012 Not all the people in the projects are bad and contribute to crime.. Only a small majority of people in the projects are troublemakers.. Many people in the projects are hard working people trying to better themselves and their life.. I was one of those people.. You can try to help people in the projects as well, they need it the most.... VG8 you can't judge people in the projects on what you have seen and heard, you have to live there to see... Look at it from others view before making the type of judgments that you do, this is why people have a problem with you.... You clearly didn't read what I wrote... That's on you.... It is my opinion that you can help others and not have projects. I would much rather apartments which would have temporary housing for these folks who were on hard times and if they needed help they would have to earn their keep. What Giuliani did when he put abled folks to work was a good thing because he made those folks responsible and accountable. I support social programs, but I don't support just putting a bunch of folks in public housing and leaving them there. What good is that? Get these people working (the ones that aren't) and trying to improve themselves. It is not only more productive for them but for society as a whole. compstat nonsense has no place here, we're discussing reality. Unfortunately many don't like facing reality or discussing it for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astoria Line Posted August 19, 2012 Share #96 Posted August 19, 2012 You clearly didn't read what I wrote... That's on you.... It is my opinion that you can help others and not have projects. I would much rather apartments which would have temporary housing for these folks who were on hard times and if they needed help they would have to earn their keep. What Giuliani did when he put abled folks to work was a good thing because he made those folks responsible and accountable. I support social programs, but I don't support just putting a bunch of folks in public housing and leaving them there. What good is that? Get these people working (the ones that aren't) and trying to improve themselves. It is not only more productive for them but for society as a whole. Unfortunately many don't like facing reality or discussing it for that matter. -__________- anyways... They are already in apartments.. what would that do? And if that happened, all the public housing would be destroyed? doubt that would ever happen... Many have jobs the ones in my experience that don't have jobs are elderly, teenaged or have family that they are living with that work already.. And you said that those who work aren't in the majority, when in my experience they are the majority... You make it seem like most people there are lazy and don't want to work or a drain to society while im telling you that that isn't true.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted August 19, 2012 Share #97 Posted August 19, 2012 compstat nonsense has no place here, we're discussing reality. I'm sorry, but when did it become a crime to be Black? Can I see the law on the books? Because I guarantee you that's where most of Canarsie's reputation comes from. Unfortunately many don't like facing reality or discussing it for that matter. You're one to talk..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted August 19, 2012 Share #98 Posted August 19, 2012 -__________- anyways... They are already in apartments.. what would that do? And if that happened, all the public housing would be destroyed? doubt that would ever happen... Many have jobs the ones in my experience that don't have jobs are elderly, teenaged or have family that they are living with that work already.. And you said that those who work aren't in the majority, when in my experience they are the majority... You make it seem like most people there are lazy and don't want to work or a drain to society while im telling you that that isn't true.... I'm sorry but packing hoards of folks together in public housing is not my idea of "apartments". The only "good thing" about it if you will is you contain the violence to certain areas. A friend of mine and I had this conversation when I was moving to Riverdale and were passing through East Harlem which has blocks upon blocks of "apartments" as you call them. When folks are surrounded by mainly folks who aren't working and being productive, they don't know any better and please don't sit here and tell me that the majority of housing projects have folks in them that are mainly productive because if that was the case you wouldn't have communities like Brownsville. There are select housing projects like the ones that you're referring to but the key word is select. Me personally I would have smaller complexes and they would not run for blocks and blocks. Folks that occupied them would have to show that they are making every effort to move out of these complexes, as they should not be permanent forms of housing. You have generations of folks living in public housing which IMO is unacceptable and I'm sure that an area like Brownsville is exemplary of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted August 19, 2012 Share #99 Posted August 19, 2012 -__________- anyways... They are already in apartments.. what would that do? And if that happened, all the public housing would be destroyed? doubt that would ever happen... Many have jobs the ones in my experience that don't have jobs are elderly, teenaged or have family that they are living with that work already.. And you said that those who work aren't in the majority, when in my experience they are the majority... You make it seem like most people there are lazy and don't want to work or a drain to society while im telling you that that isn't true.... Aside from that, in order to live in NYCHA, you're required to show some proof of income. So that means either you're working, living off disability, or living off unemployment (which means you're looking for a job). People keep talking about "People who sit on their butts and live off welfare" when that isn't entirely true (I mean, of course, you do have people who find ways around it, and then there could be parents who work, but their kids are out causing trouble), but let's not act like that's the majority of the people. As I've always said, it's always 5-10% who cause the trouble for the other 90-95% of the residents. And as far as he's concerned, even if all that did happen (People were provided with temporary housing and all that), he'd still be talking about how bad some areas are. I mean, look at Canarsie. It has a median income of $52,490 (compared to a citywide median of $50,033), a crime rate that's average, and he's still mentioned how bad it is. See, a few comments here: http://www.nyctransi..._20#entry391182 http://www.nyctransi..._20#entry391193 So the crime rate's been continuously going down since the 1990s (when Canarsie was mostly White), and yet the area went "downhill"? And of course, he's been saying the same thing about parts of the North Shore where I could probably walk around with $100 bills sticking out of my pockets and not get mugged (not that I'd test it out, though. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted August 19, 2012 Share #100 Posted August 19, 2012 I'm sorry, but when did it become a crime to be Black? Can I see the law on the books? Because I guarantee you that's where most of Canarsie's reputation comes from. Neighborhoods get bad reputations because they're sinkholes. Nobody said anything about black residents until you chimed in. Why is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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