TheSubwayStation Posted August 19, 2012 Share #101 Posted August 19, 2012 This is why I am saying either improve the entirely, and let the T/O's go up to speed instead of craw,How are you going to do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted August 19, 2012 Share #102 Posted August 19, 2012 Everyone keeps saying "make the local", but most forget the is busy on 8 Avenue as well as QBL, so running it local won't really help that much. That route is express in Queens for a reason. To add, you can't just say make this train or that train run local/express (whatever it may be) and simply expect that to work because any change to a route comes with a consequence or benefit or even both. How about this, since the original idea is to make extra trains serve Woodhaven Blvd., how about let the run Local between Roosevelt Ave. and Forest Hills as a compromise? I know there is perhaps a reason the runs Express, and there are consequences and benefits as well, however really you can solve the problems at Woodhaven by making the run Local in just one section, it's going to be the best of both worlds at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDTA Posted August 19, 2012 Share #103 Posted August 19, 2012 How about this, since the original idea is to make extra trains serve Woodhaven Blvd., how about let the run Local between Roosevelt Ave. and Forest Hills as a compromise? I know there is perhaps a reason the runs Express, and there are consequences and benefits as well, however really you can solve the problems at Woodhaven by making the run Local in just one section, it's going to be the best of both worlds at the end. Except for the riders from Jamaica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotb16 Posted August 19, 2012 Share #104 Posted August 19, 2012 Except for the riders from Jamaica. And the local riders west of Roosevelt. Stops like Northern Blvd and Steinway St get good ridership too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted August 19, 2012 Share #105 Posted August 19, 2012 The only requires 29 trains every day for its daytime service. But because of the 60th tube is why its infrequent and even sometimes irregular. There's no other way to increase service with the in the way on weekends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted August 19, 2012 Share #106 Posted August 19, 2012 The only requires 29 trains every day for its daytime service. But because of the 60th tube is why its infrequent and even sometimes irregular. There's no other way to increase service with the in the way on weekends. So the 60th st tube can barely fit the on weekends, although it fits the on weekdays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted August 19, 2012 Share #107 Posted August 19, 2012 How are you going to do that? Increase speed where possible, or put a Minimal speed limit for Green & Amber Lights unless if notified by Dispatcher to slow down/stop. Except for the riders from Jamaica. It is also going to benefit people from Jamaica, especially those who want an one seat to Jamaica post shopping spree. If the goes local and add a few minutes to it's trip, it goes local and add a few minutes to it's trip, simple. If you want a faster ride, take the Express Bus or to the next when possible, the is NOT your yellow cab. Plus, you already have another few options in Jamaica too, that's LIRR, and (J)/(Z). If I hear one more mention about Jamaica and the on weekends ONLY, I'm going to call those people NIMBY's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted August 19, 2012 Share #108 Posted August 19, 2012 And one more thing, keep in mind 60th St. Tunnel is not the cause of delays, the switch down around Canal to 8th St. - NYU is the cause of the delays on the , also in Brooklyn, meaning the DeKalb area deal. So it's two places where things will be slowed down considerably. 60th St. is actually not the problem until that timer got installed in one of the tubes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted August 19, 2012 Share #109 Posted August 19, 2012 It is also going to benefit people from Jamaica, especially those who want an one seat to Jamaica post shopping spree. If the goes local and add a few minutes to it's trip, it goes local and add a few minutes to it's trip, simple. If you want a faster ride, take the Express Bus or to the next when possible How is that simple? By making them wait for the next train or an train, you've already condemned the person to wait for the same length of time (or even more) as the time they would've saved if the train had gone express. Here's simple for you: the is local west of Forest Hills, the is express west of Forest Hills, and the is express. Riders are happiest when service is predictable and making random trains run local doesn't contribute to predictability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted August 19, 2012 Share #110 Posted August 19, 2012 Increase speed where possible, or put a Minimal speed limit for Green & Amber Lights unless if notified by Dispatcher to slow down/stop. That's not going to change much IMO. I can't imagine that there are very many T/Os who intentionally go slowly. The is a slow route whoever's operating the train... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted August 19, 2012 Share #111 Posted August 19, 2012 So the 60th st tube can barely fit the on weekends, although it fits the on weekdays? Since when did I said that?...I was merely talking about the signals and the scheduling of the trains. It can fit the but remember how many in the past said that the via 60th is more trains than with ? That's what I was pointing out. So increasing more would mean more trains on the tube on weekends. And that's because the (and increase N/R service) has more trains than the but many however seem to deny the fact that they had 10 minute intervals.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted August 19, 2012 Share #112 Posted August 19, 2012 And one more thing, keep in mind 60th St. Tunnel is not the cause of delays, the switch down around Canal to 8th St. - NYU is the cause of the delays on the , also in Brooklyn, meaning the DeKalb area deal. So it's two places where things will be slowed down considerably. 60th St. is actually not the problem until that timer got installed in one of the tubes. That's the whole reason why the is very infrequent and irregular. The 60th Tunnel is not the reason but what's plauging Broadway is 34th, Prince, and DeKalb junctions. But many said in the past that the to Astoria means more trains via 60th Tunnel when in most of the day it comes once every 10 minutes like the N/R...That's also my point as well, its a fact... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q10 Airport Posted August 19, 2012 Share #113 Posted August 19, 2012 How about this, since the original idea is to make extra trains serve Woodhaven Blvd., how about let the run Local between Roosevelt Ave. and Forest Hills as a compromise? I know there is perhaps a reason the runs Express, and there are consequences and benefits as well, however really you can solve the problems at Woodhaven by making the run Local in just one section, it's going to be the best of both worlds at the end. The one flaw with this plan is that it would cause delays at Roosevelt due to the switching tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted August 19, 2012 Share #114 Posted August 19, 2012 Yes, not by much. You can have the run Whitehall for the beginning to help. You could have an extra local - weekend only. Maybe the . And that runs local. WTC to 71st Avenue, or Jamaica Center. I'm calling it the because it is not used. And you probably too young to remember the congestion problems when the ran 24/7 via whitehall with the during the Manhattan Bridge rebulid era, Not to mention folks in Dyker Heights, Sunset Park and more screaming about losing (rightfully so)their full time Manhattan Bridge 'express' service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDTA Posted August 19, 2012 Share #115 Posted August 19, 2012 It is also going to benefit people from Jamaica, especially those who want an one seat to Jamaica post shopping spree. If the goes local and add a few minutes to it's trip, it goes local and add a few minutes to it's trip, simple. If you want a faster ride, take the Express Bus or to the next when possible, the is NOT your yellow cab. Plus, you already have another few options in Jamaica too, that's LIRR, and (J)/(Z). If I hear one more mention about Jamaica and the on weekends ONLY, I'm going to call those people NIMBY's... >is NIMBY for wanting express service RETAINED SEEMS LEGIT. LIRR costs extra, and the runs very infrequently , and only serves downtown. We're talking two different markets here. Also, i'm not from Jamaica. At all. But I support them in this. There is no case in which express service should be messed with for extra service. Take a look at the on CPW. And yes, it would benifet some, but the greater majority is going to Manhattan. Now I would write more, but someone else needs to use the computer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
error46146 Posted August 19, 2012 Share #116 Posted August 19, 2012 I still think that a better idea would be to improve service on the and short turn selected trains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted August 19, 2012 Share #117 Posted August 19, 2012 What's up with people saying that trains like the or should run local with the ?... This isn't nighttime, this is DAYTIME! What do you think will happen had the run local on weekends? More packed and delayed trains along the in Queens! Had the run local fully via Montague Street Tunnel means more packed and delayed 's on 4 Av along with 's and 's at DeKalb as Shortline Bus said residents will be TIGHT/PISSED due to loss of Express via Manhattan Bridge. Come guys, think about ridership demands as well as outcomes and causes first! Can you guys even imagine the being local with no service means more packed and delayed trains as well as the on CPW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted August 19, 2012 Share #118 Posted August 19, 2012 What's up with people saying that trains like the or should run local with the ?... This isn't nighttime, this is DAYTIME! What do you think will happen had the run local on weekends? More packed and delayed trains along the in Queens! Had the run local fully via Montague Street Tunnel means more packed and delayed 's on 4 Av along with 's and 's at DeKalb as Shortline Bus said residents will be TIGHT/PISSED due to loss of Express via Manhattan Bridge. Come guys, think about ridership demands first! The only option other than currently overnights (when stops running at around Midnight-5am)for to run local is after 9pm-Midnight only. That would be only be a local between Jamaica Center-74th Street/Jackson Heights to help out the when most stores at Queens Center and other QB area shopping districts (mainly 63rd Drive)are closing. Not endorsing it but a possible compromise to help with the sometimes SRO crowds especially during the Thanksgiving-Xmas-New Years season. The crowding issue is at Grand, Woodhaven and 63rd Drive. Back in day at least Woodhaven should been a 'express stop' but it's too late now. Just my takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted August 19, 2012 Share #119 Posted August 19, 2012 What I'm trying to make, however, is that what would happen if you increase more service? What about happen to the 60th Street Tube and the Broadway local tracks above Canal Street? Answer my questions, NX Express, Lance, and CDTA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted August 19, 2012 Share #120 Posted August 19, 2012 What I'm trying to make, however, is that what would happen if you increase more service? What about happen to the 60th Street Tube and the Broadway tracks above Canal Street? Answer my questions, NX Express, Lance, and CDTA... If you increase service on the weekends, nothing will happen, since there is no track on Broadway that is at capacity on weekends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted August 19, 2012 Share #121 Posted August 19, 2012 If you increase service on the weekends, nothing will happen, since there is no track on Broadway that is at capacity on weekends. ...And without the in the way of the and .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted August 19, 2012 Share #122 Posted August 19, 2012 Still, why can't the dispatcher just send an local when there's a delay in service? Sure, it would be nice if we could increase service on practically every line on the weekends, but I don't know if that's going to happen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted August 19, 2012 Share #123 Posted August 19, 2012 Because of would have to be a very significant delay, like 20 mins or more. Noticing patterns when such a delay happens, usually, the delayed train, when on the move again, will run "express" to catch up to its schedule, a longer delay will usually see a local run express from the previous switch from the delay. Depending on the location of the delay, the location of the switches, and the duration of the delay, odds are, you won't see an E or an F run local. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted August 19, 2012 Share #124 Posted August 19, 2012 I agree with the two previous posts above though its odd of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted August 20, 2012 Share #125 Posted August 20, 2012 Still, why can't the dispatcher just send an local when there's a delay in service? Sure, it would be nice if we could increase service on practically every line on the weekends, but I don't know if that's going to happen... They do that already sometimes in rough situations on the AM rush don't they, when it gets really bottlenecked at the Van Wyck junction or 71st backing all the T/Os up? Or during delays on the R I'm noticing that one of the major issues is that stretch between Union and Roosevelt. Maybe i was just caught up in an unusual morning, but that was my observations that day. I know I'm talking about weekday service but that may be a good idea. But a permanant E local on weekends not sure. It dies make sense for the E tio run local late nights as the TA has been doing but during the day, not too sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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