Via Garibaldi 8 Posted August 23, 2012 Share #26 Posted August 23, 2012 That's why it's being rebuilt in 2013 and is being replaced w/Amsterdam and MCH... I can't believe they're sending the B6 to ENY... what good will come out of such a split???? I know but it should be done NOW... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted August 23, 2012 Share #27 Posted August 23, 2012 Well I've learned some interesting things about Gerritsen Beach express bus riders. Apparently some of them use the BM3 because it runs later to and from the city. The problem is that the stops that were somewhat close to Gerritsen Beach were taken away (I do recall being happy when this happened since it made my commute MUCH quicker on the BM3 from Shore Blvd) to make the commute faster for BM3 riders, to which some Gerritsen Beach residents protested. I think it is a good idea for me to contact Senator Golden about this to see if anything can be done to make both communities happy by providing more service or combining routes or something. It does no good to keep chopping away at BM4 service which is one reason why folks are flocking to the other BM express buses, leaving the BM4 with fewer riders. The problem is that the disabled folks that use the BM4 have been protesting saying that with the discontinued stops, their commute via the express bus has been even more difficult now and they also don't feel safe waiting at the BM3 express bus stop by the projects there by Batchelder. What? I thought Gerritsen Beach was a wonderful community nowhere near the projects. Sucks what they doing to the B6 by making the LTDs only go to Rock Park and the locals do the whole route It's probably an error. They could be referring to the time it leaves New Lots Avenue or to the time the corresponding local trip leaves Rockaway Parkway. (Either that, or those trips are short-turns). I highly doubt they'd have the limiteds short-turn while the locals do the full route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted August 23, 2012 Share #28 Posted August 23, 2012 I know but it should be done NOW... You think everything can be done instantly? MCH isn't even FINISHED yet, meaning if it was done now, those buses would be on the street.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted August 23, 2012 Share #29 Posted August 23, 2012 You think everything can be done instantly? MCH isn't even FINISHED yet, meaning if it was done now, those buses would be on the street.... lol... Most of them are on the street now, so it wouldn't be much of a difference. The so called outside depot has all of the fences in crappy condition, so why even bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted August 23, 2012 Author Share #30 Posted August 23, 2012 QM1 and QM3 is the most at dangered. Have saturday and sunday removed on the QM15 and QM4. Nope. The last thing I would like for the QM15 is to get Saturday service slashed. Of anything it needs Sunday service. The QM4 I guess is there for connectivity purposes, and the bus gets useful ridership off peak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted August 23, 2012 Share #31 Posted August 23, 2012 Nope. The last thing I would like for the QM15 is to get Saturday service slashed. Of anything it needs Sunday service. The QM4 I guess is there for connectivity purposes, and the bus gets useful ridership off peak Look at the Ridership reports bascially no one rides them. If the MTA was smart they would have the BM5 on Saturday replace the QM15 since they both run on woodhaven. And ppl have the Q21 and Q41 to connect to the BM5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted August 23, 2012 Author Share #32 Posted August 23, 2012 Look at the Ridership reports bascially no one rides them. If the MTA was smart they would have the BM5 on Saturday replace the QM15 since they both run on woodhaven. And ppl have the Q21 and Q41 to connect to the BM5 The BM5 is an extra option for Woodhaven Blvd, not to be used as a replacement. And the BM5 only garners a few queens riders per day probably 8 of those 224 riders per day are from queens. Also you do know most of the QM15 ridership is south of The Rockaway Blvd station. The QM15 has decent ridership in Saturdays, more than the BM5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgor Posted August 23, 2012 Share #33 Posted August 23, 2012 Not taking sides, but just so you guys know, the QM15 averages 7.9 riders per bus on Saturdays and the BM5 averages 5.2 riders per bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted August 23, 2012 Share #34 Posted August 23, 2012 Not taking sides, but just so you guys know, the QM15 averages 7.9 riders per bus on Saturdays and the BM5 averages 5.2 riders per bus. And why are you mentioning this?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted August 23, 2012 Author Share #35 Posted August 23, 2012 Not taking sides, but just so you guys know, the QM15 averages 7.9 riders per bus on Saturdays and the BM5 averages 5.2 riders per bus. I'm saying 8 out of the 224 riders of the week. Not of the day. Still the QM15 has decent ridership 323,000 riders per year is not bad compared to some other other 7 day express buses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted August 23, 2012 Share #36 Posted August 23, 2012 The BM5 is an extra option for Woodhaven Blvd, not to be used as a replacement. And the BM5 only garners a few queens riders per day probably 8 of those 224 riders per day are from queens. Also you do know most of the QM15 ridership is south of The Rockaway Blvd station. The QM15 has decent ridership in Saturdays, more than the BM5 But the thing is that even though the BM5 has less ridership, the riders would have a longer trip time if it were eliminated compared with QM15 riders. QM15 riders in Lindenwood would have to take the Q21/41 to the BM5, whereas BM5 riders would have to take the B82 to the B2, and then go the long way through Brooklyn & Lower Manhattan to get to Midtown. Even if the BM2 were extended to Starrett City, it still takes a longer route to reach Midtown. I'm saying 8 out of the 224 riders of the week. Not of the day. Still the QM15 has decent ridership 323,000 riders per year is not bad compared to some other other 7 day express buses The thing is that weekday ridership is good, but Saturday ridership isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted August 23, 2012 Share #37 Posted August 23, 2012 2013 Brooklyn Bus Depots rotsers UP B1, B3, B4(spilt JG), B6(SPILT ENY), B36, B64, B74 JG B4(spilt UP), B8, B9, B11, B16, B28, B35, B61, B63, B67, B68, B69, B70 ENY B6(SPILT UP), B7, B12, B14, B15, B17, B18, B25, B42, B45, B65, B82, B82, Q24, Q56 FP B13, B20, B26, B38, B52, B54, Q54, Q55, Q58 GA B13, B22, B24, B38, B39, B43, B47, B48, B57, B60, B62, Q59 2013 Manhattan/Bronx Bus Depots rotsers KB Bx1/2, Bx3, Bx7, Bx9, Bx10, Bx20, Bx41, Bx55, M100 GH Bx4/4A, Bx5, Bx12, Bx12SBS, Bx16, Bx22, Bx24, Bx26, Bx28, Bx29, Bx30, Bx34, Bx38, Bx39, Bx40/42 WF Bx6, Bx8, Bx11,Bx13 Bx15, Bx18, Bx19, Bx27, Bx31, Bx35, Bx36 MCH M1, M2(spilt with MTV), M7, M60, M102, Bx17, Bx19, Bx21, Bx32, Bx33 100/TG M15, M15SBS, M101, M103 MJQ M8, M9, M12, M14A/D, M20, M21, M22, M23, M31, M34SBS, M34ASBS, M42, M50, M57, M66, M72, M79, M86 MTV M2, M3, M4, M5, M10, M11, M98, M104, M96/106 M35 MCH OR TG OR AMS 126 DEPOT CLOSE IN SEPT 2013. Ok....Source? And where did these random routes come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted August 24, 2012 Share #38 Posted August 24, 2012 Also you do know most of the QM15 ridership is south of The Rockaway Blvd station. yeah, I don't know about that..... While the lindenwood folks do use their QM15, that usage does not count for most of the ridership on the route... you're minimizing the amt. of riders the QM15 gets along woodhaven by making that statement..... The QM15 has decent ridership in Saturdays, more than the BM5 Easily..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainman1251 Posted August 24, 2012 Share #39 Posted August 24, 2012 Ok....Source? And where did these random routes come from? 2013 Brooklyn Bus Depots Roster UP B1, B3, B4(spilt JG), B6(SPILT ENY), B36, B64, B74, X27/37, X28/38 FLA B2, B31, B41, B44, B44SBS, B46, B49 JG B4(spilt UP), B8, B9, B11, B16, B28, B35, B61, B63, B67, B68, B69, B70 ENY B6(SPILT UP), B7, B12, B14, B15, B17, B18, B25, B42, B45, B65, B82, B82, Q24, Q56 FP B13, B20, B26, B38, B52, B54, Q54, Q55, Q58 GA B13, B22, B24, B38, B39, B43, B47, B48, B57, B60, B62, Q59 2013 Queens Bus Depots Roster JAM Q3, Q4, Q5, Q17, Q30, Q42, Q77, Q84, Q85 QV Q1, Q2, Q27, Q36 ,Q43, Q46, Q83, Q88, X63, X64, X68 CS Q12, Q13, Q15, Q15A, Q16 ,Q17, Q20A, Q20B, Q26, Q28 ,Q31, Q32, Q44, Q48, Q76 2013 MTA Bus Depot Roster BP Q110, Q111/Q113, Q112, QM21 FR Q22, Q35, Q52, QM15(SPILT JFK), QM16, QM17 JFK Q6, Q7, Q8 ,Q9 Q10, Q11/Q21, Q37 ,Q40, Q41, Q60 ,QM15(SPILT FR), QM18 LAG Q18, Q19, Q23, Q29 ,Q33, Q38, Q39, Q47, Q49 ,Q53, Q66 ,Q67 ,Q69 ,Q72 ,Q100, Q101, Q102, Q103 ,Q104, CP Q25, Q34 ,Q50(SPILT ECH), Q64, Q65 QM1, QM2, QM3, QM4, QM5, QM6, QM7, QM8, QM10, QM11, QM12, QM2, 0QM24/QM25 SPK B100, B103, BM1, BM2, BM3, BM4, BM5 ECH BxM1, BxM2, BxM3, BxM4, BxM6, BxM7, BxM8, BxM9, BxM10, BxM11, BxM18 YON CLOSE IN 2013 2013 Manhattan/Bronx Bus Depots Roster KB Bx1/2, Bx3, Bx7, Bx9, Bx10, Bx20, Bx41, Bx55, M100 GH Bx4/4A, Bx5, Bx12, Bx12SBS, Bx16, Bx22, Bx24, Bx26, Bx28, Bx29, Bx30, Bx34, Bx38, Bx39, Bx40/42 WF Bx6, Bx8, Bx11,Bx13 Bx15, Bx18, Bx19, Bx27, Bx31, Bx35, Bx36, Bx?? MCH M1, M2(spilt with MTV), M7, M60, M102, Bx17, Bx19, Bx21, Bx32, Bx33 100/TG M15, M15SBS, M101, M103 MJQ M8, M9, M12, M14A/D, M20, M21, M22, M23, M31, M34SBS, M34ASBS, M42, M50, M57, M66, M72, M79, M86 MTV M2, M3, M4, M5, M10, M11, M98, M104, M96/106 M35 MCH OR TG OR AMS 126 DEPOT CLOSE FOR REHAB IN 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainman1251 Posted August 24, 2012 Share #40 Posted August 24, 2012 2013 Brooklyn Bus Depots Roster UP B1, B3, B4(spilt JG), B6(SPILT ENY), B36, B64, B74, X27/37, X28/38 FLA B2, B31, B41, B44, B44SBS, B46, B49 JG B4(spilt UP), B8(SPILT ENY), B9, B11, B16, B28, B35, B61, B63, B67, B68, B69, B70 ENY B6(SPILT UP), B7, B8(SPILT JG), B12, B14, B15, B17, B18, B25, B42, B45, B65, B82, B82, Q24, Q56 FP B13, B20, B26, B38, B52, B54, Q54, Q55, Q58 GA B13, B22, B24, B38, B39, B43, B44 some trips, B47, B48, B57, B60, B62, Q59 2013 Queens Bus Depots Roster JAM Q3, Q4, Q5, Q17, Q30, Q42, Q77, Q84, Q85 QV Q1, Q2, Q27, Q36 ,Q43, Q46, Q83, Q88, X63, X64, X68 CS Q12, Q13, Q15, Q15A, Q16 ,Q17, Q20A, Q20B, Q26, Q28 ,Q31, Q32, Q44, Q48, Q76 2013 MTA Bus Depot Roster BP Q110, Q111/Q113, Q112, QM21 FR Q11(SPILT JFK), Q22, Q35, Q52, QM15(SPILT JFK), QM16, QM17 JFK Q6, Q7, Q8 ,Q9 Q10, Q11(SPILT FR), Q21, Q37 ,Q40, Q41, Q60 ,QM15(SPILT FR), QM18 LAG Q18, Q19, Q23, Q29 ,Q33, Q38, Q39, Q47, Q49 ,Q53, Q66 ,Q67 ,Q69 ,Q72 ,Q100, Q101, Q102, Q103 ,Q104, CP Q25, Q34 ,Q50(SPILT ECH), Q64, Q65 QM1, QM2, QM3, QM4, QM5, QM6, QM7, QM8, QM10, QM11, QM12, QM20, QM24/QM25 SPK B100, B103, BM1, BM2, BM3, BM4, BM5 ECH BxM1, BxM2, BxM3, BxM4, BxM6, BxM7, BxM8, BxM9, BxM10, BxM11, BxM18, Bx23, Q50(spilt CP) YON CLOSE IN 2013 2013 Staten Island Bus Depots Roster CAS S40/90, S42, S46/96, S48/98, S51/81, S52, S53, S54, S66, S76/86, S93, X10, X14, X11(SPILT MER) YUK S44/94, S57, S59, S61/91, S62/92, S79SBS, X1-X5, X7-X9 CHA S55, S56, S74/84, S78, X17, X19, X22, X31 MER X11(SPILT CAS), X12, X15, X30, X42 2013 Manhattan/Bronx Bus Depots Roster KB Bx1/2, Bx3, Bx7, Bx9, Bx10, Bx20, Bx41, Bx55, M100 GH Bx4/4A, Bx5, Bx12, Bx12SBS, Bx16, Bx22, Bx24, Bx26, Bx28, Bx29, Bx30, Bx34, Bx38, Bx39, Bx40/42 WF Bx6, Bx8, Bx11,Bx13 Bx15, Bx18, Bx19, Bx27, Bx31, Bx35, Bx36, Bx6A MCH M1, M2(spilt with MTV), M7, M60, M102, Bx17, Bx19, Bx21, Bx32, Bx33, M35 100/TG M15, M15SBS, M101, M103, M35 MJQ M8, M9, M12, M14A/D, M20, M21, M22, M23, M31, M34SBS, M34ASBS, M42, M50, M57, M66, M72, M79, M86 MTV M2(spilt MCH), M3, M4, M5, M10, M11, M98, M104, M96/106, M116 AMS M35, M60 126 DEPOT CLOSE FOR REHAB IN 2013. One question: from what depot are the new Brooklyn, Bronx, and Manhattan routes gonna be I'm asking about the western Hunts Point, Far Westside Manhattan, DUMBO, WILLAMSBURG, and ENY-Spring Creek bus routes LaGuardia become all local routes, College Point become all express routes with 4 local routes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted August 24, 2012 Share #41 Posted August 24, 2012 I think the issue is the usefulness of the B35 limited. A few users have mentioned that it's no faster than the local. Limited service doesn't necessarily mean more frequent service. (I have no opinion on this, but I'm just saying what others have said) You're right but the limiteds do help out to a certain extent The major stops that get the most riders (from what I observed) are Rockaway, Utica, Nostrand, Flatbush & McDonald Avs. If there were no limiteds (with today's current ridership along the line), locals would be packed to the brim and traveling down in bunches (not that they don't do that anyway lol). The limiteds help spread out the riders and keep the locals moving. What I would do along that line is extend the limited hours on Sunday (it ends at like 5 or 6) up until at least 9, and eliminate some of these limited stops. If one is going from Flatbush to New York, it doesn't matter which bus you get on since they both make the same exact stops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted August 24, 2012 Share #42 Posted August 24, 2012 Ok....Source? And where did these random routes come from? Shit, I ain't even know there was a M12...i must have missed that memo sonewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted August 24, 2012 Share #43 Posted August 24, 2012 2013 Brooklyn Bus Depots Roster UP B1, B3, B4(spilt JG), B6(SPILT ENY), B36, B64, B74, X27/37, X28/38 FLA B2, B31, B41, B44, B44SBS, B46, B49 JG B4(spilt UP), B8, B9, B11, B16, B28, B35, B61, B63, B67, B68, B69, B70 ENY B6(SPILT UP), B7, B12, B14, B15, B17, B18, B25, B42, B45, B65, B82, B82, Q24, Q56 FP B13, B20, B26, B38, B52, B54, Q54, Q55, Q58 GA B13, B22, B24, B38, B39, B43, B47, B48, B57, B60, B62, Q59 2013 Queens Bus Depots Roster JAM Q3, Q4, Q5, Q17, Q30, Q42, Q77, Q84, Q85 QV Q1, Q2, Q27, Q36 ,Q43, Q46, Q83, Q88, X63, X64, X68 CS Q12, Q13, Q15, Q15A, Q16 ,Q17, Q20A, Q20B, Q26, Q28 ,Q31, Q32, Q44, Q48, Q76 2013 MTA Bus Depot Roster BP Q110, Q111/Q113, Q112, QM21 FR Q22, Q35, Q52, QM15(SPILT JFK), QM16, QM17 JFK Q6, Q7, Q8 ,Q9 Q10, Q11/Q21, Q37 ,Q40, Q41, Q60 ,QM15(SPILT FR), QM18 LAG Q18, Q19, Q23, Q29 ,Q33, Q38, Q39, Q47, Q49 ,Q53, Q66 ,Q67 ,Q69 ,Q72 ,Q100, Q101, Q102, Q103 ,Q104, CP Q25, Q34 ,Q50(SPILT ECH), Q64, Q65 QM1, QM2, QM3, QM4, QM5, QM6, QM7, QM8, QM10, QM11, QM12, QM2, 0QM24/QM25 SPK B100, B103, BM1, BM2, BM3, BM4, BM5 ECH BxM1, BxM2, BxM3, BxM4, BxM6, BxM7, BxM8, BxM9, BxM10, BxM11, BxM18 YON CLOSE IN 2013 2013 Manhattan/Bronx Bus Depots Roster KB Bx1/2, Bx3, Bx7, Bx9, Bx10, Bx20, Bx41, Bx55, M100 GH Bx4/4A, Bx5, Bx12, Bx12SBS, Bx16, Bx22, Bx24, Bx26, Bx28, Bx29, Bx30, Bx34, Bx38, Bx39, Bx40/42 WF Bx6, Bx8, Bx11,Bx13 Bx15, Bx18, Bx19, Bx27, Bx31, Bx35, Bx36, Bx?? MCH M1, M2(spilt with MTV), M7, M60, M102, Bx17, Bx19, Bx21, Bx32, Bx33 100/TG M15, M15SBS, M101, M103 MJQ M8, M9, M12, M14A/D, M20, M21, M22, M23, M31, M34SBS, M34ASBS, M42, M50, M57, M66, M72, M79, M86 MTV M2, M3, M4, M5, M10, M11, M98, M104, M96/106 M35 MCH OR TG OR AMS 126 DEPOT CLOSE FOR REHAB IN 2013. I mean an actual source....not a copy and paste.... BTW, the Q50 becomes 100% Eastchester the next pick..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T J Trainman Posted August 24, 2012 Share #44 Posted August 24, 2012 Cait sith took the words right out of my mouth the Q-50 starting the F-A--L-L pick is ALL ECH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r40s 4501 Posted August 24, 2012 Share #45 Posted August 24, 2012 whis is mtv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted August 24, 2012 Share #46 Posted August 24, 2012 whis is mtv *rolls eyes* ManhaTtanVille Mr B........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted August 24, 2012 Share #47 Posted August 24, 2012 You're right but the limiteds do help out to a certain extent The major stops that get the most riders (from what I observed) are Rockaway, Utica, Nostrand, Flatbush & McDonald Avs. If there were no limiteds (with today's current ridership along the line), locals would be packed to the brim and traveling down in bunches (not that they don't do that anyway lol). The limiteds help spread out the riders and keep the locals moving. What I would do along that line is extend the limited hours on Sunday (it ends at like 5 or 6) up until at least 9, and eliminate some of these limited stops. If one is going from Flatbush to New York, it doesn't matter which bus you get on since they both make the same exact stops Yeah they help out to a certain extent - if you're traveling somewhere b/w sunset park & E. 18th or b/w utica & any point east of it..... It should not take me around 20 minutes on a LTD to get from E. 42nd to E 18th - that time is rather comparable to the local.... that's why I would take dollar cabs to get to the B.... well that, and having to wait for a bus you can even get on in the morning.....Buses are currently packed to the brim & travel in bunches with the LTD service.... lol..... I would get rid of the B35 limited, Period. for the heaviest used portion of the route, it doesn't solve much of anything..... I mean you ride other LTD's around the boroughs, and then you take the 35 LTD & you're like wtf, is this the LTD or the local.... ** reposting of rosters in question ** Trainman1251.... They're asking you where & from what person(s) did you get those rosters from..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainman1251 Posted August 24, 2012 Share #48 Posted August 24, 2012 I make it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted August 24, 2012 Share #49 Posted August 24, 2012 Why am I not surprised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted August 24, 2012 Share #50 Posted August 24, 2012 I make it up. Lmao ! man, the last thing you should do in the transit community is pose fantasy as being actual factual..... all I gotta say at this point is, be prepared to be ripped a new one...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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