Can Taxing The Rich Save The U.S. Economy?

[Phantom909]

Here's what I don't get. Your'e pretty much saying F*** science, and the environment. There's a reason taxes go into that. As for the rest of your post, what VWM said

 

Where did i say that? Im not totally sold on man-made global warming.because of 1. none of the advocates of it have ever been able to tell me how all the cars and factories ended the previous 11 known ice ages. 2. its being pushed by the United Nations which is the most useless group on the planet. 3. Its also being pushed by one-world government types who will enslave everybody.

BTW China is the number one polluter in the world not us.I welcome all forms of energy, wind, solar, coal, nuclear, and fossil fuel. You hypocrites who are against any of those choices should shut off your lights, walk or roller skate someplace and stop crying about it

 

 

This. We wouldn't need the billions we put into the military, if we just MINDED OUR OWN BUSINESS. I get it we have allies and all, and we need to help them, but NONE of them are in danger right now. And there's absolutely NO reason to be at war with the middle east right now. That's like saying, "Oh, I pissed off this bear, so let me see if stabbing it will make it any less angry."

 

so youre ok with Iran and that Hitler wannabe getting a nuke?

 

 

 

What the hell could you possibly do that you would get 30 MILLION DOLLARS!? And WHY would you need all that money? I can understand Bill Gates, seeing how he doesn't blow it all on worthless crap, but seriously, unless your'e giving it to someone else, how the hell do you spend $30 Million a year? And even if you do find a use for that, it sure as hell isn't as good as giving it back to a country that's struggling.

 

if you invest it you help create jobs, if you buy a new car you help keep auto workers working, if you buy a private jet, you help keep those workers plus pilots, flight attendents, mechanics working, if you go out to dinner, you keep food service workers employed, you can donate a couple of million to charity plus hundreds of other scenarios. Id rather have a guy who earned 30 million dollars do what he wants with it then give it to the govenment who will waste it on BS and attack him for not paying his fair share

 

 

 

We don't want the money at all. You act as if we are taking your money. We want the government to get the money, so that they can try* to re-build their country. So don't give me this bs, about we're stealing your money. I want my country to prosper, and you don't? Yes, it MIGHT benefit us, EVENTUALLY. But your logic is pretty much "It's not enough that I succeed, but you must also fail."

 

MEMO, You are taking our money that we earned. Its called Private Property Rights guaranteed us in the Constitution. The Constitution gives limited and enumerated powers to the government what it can do, through the years, both parties have shredded it, thats why were 16 trillion in debt, and you want to give more money to them? Real Americans believe in personal responsibility, the freedom to pursue their happiness. it guarantees everyone equal opportunity, not equal results. The socialists want equal results, everyone will be poor but the Obama ruling class will be eating their Kobe` steaks and flying around on the 747 we pay for and you drones worship him. mindboggling

 

Joe

[Tokkemon]

Isolationist Foreign Policy doesn't not work in this day and age. Get with the program folks. The Isolationism they teach you in Social Studies about the US staying out of things (during the Civil War era, no less) was a very different time. Nuclear Bombs did not exist, heck, jet planes and missiles didn't exist either. It took a week for a message to simply get across the ocean. The world is so interconnected today that isolationism is impossible. This is why organizations like the United Nations exist, to give a representative to work out global problems before it turns into war.

[GojiMet86]

MEMO, You are taking our money that we earned. Its called Private Property Rights guaranteed us in the Constitution. The Constitution gives limited and enumerated powers to the government what it can do, through the years, both parties have shredded it, thats why were 16 trillion in debt, and you want to give more money to them? Real Americans believe in personal responsibility, the freedom to pursue their happiness. it guarantees everyone equal opportunity, not equal results. The socialists want equal results, everyone will be poor but the Obama ruling class will be eating their Kobe` steaks and flying around on the 747 we pay for and you drones worship him. mindboggling

 

Joe

 

 

So what group do you belong to, and what group does CDTA belong too? Do you belong to the "American, honest, hard-working" class and he to the "Socialist, lazy, welfare-dependant" class?

[Phantom909]

So what group do you belong to, and what group does CDTA belong too? Do you belong to the "American, honest, hard-working" class and he to the "Socialist, lazy, welfare-dependant" class?

 

 

I believe in personal responsibility, following the law, and i expect everyone else to follow. I also expect my government to follow the law and be fiscally responsible. This government under the last 2 administrations have failed miserably.The administration in power today is run by a socialist, a man hell bent on destroying the society we built and installing his vision of a socialist utopia.

 

This election comes down to Liberty vs Tyranny, if you stand for Obama, you stand for tyranny. Simple as that.

 

Joe

[Via Garibaldi 8]

I believe in personal responsibility, following the law, and i expect everyone else to follow. I also expect my government to follow the law and be fiscally responsible. This government under the last 2 administrations have failed miserably.

 

No question about it... Bush was a disaster and Obama hasn't been much better...

[Via Garibaldi 8]

What the hell could you possibly do that you would get 30 MILLION DOLLARS!? And WHY would you need all that money? I can understand Bill Gates, seeing how he doesn't blow it all on worthless crap, but seriously, unless your'e giving it to someone else, how the hell do you spend $30 Million a year? And even if you do find a use for that, it sure as hell isn't as good as giving it back to a country that's struggling.

 

We don't want the money at all. You act as if we are taking your money. We want the government to get the money, so that they can try* to re-build their country. So don't give me this bs, about we're stealing your money. I want my country to prosper, and you don't? Yes, it MIGHT benefit us, EVENTUALLY. But your logic is pretty much "It's not enough that I succeed, but you must also fail."

 

 

Oh okay, so I stand corrected. So let the government get more of my hard earned money so that they can play Robin Hood is that the idea??

 

And on your last point, no, you've got it wrong. The point I was making is that if people fail in life that's their problem. We have social programs in place to help people to get on their feet, but we shouldn't get into the habit of saying well you were successful so let's punish you by taking your hard earned money and giving it to some Joe Schmoe deadbeat. This country became successful because there was no set limit for which one could be successful and earn money. If someone earns 30 million dollars and decides to take a crap with it, it is THEIR money and their business how they spend it. That's the point. They don't owe anyone anything nor do they have to justify how they spend their money. They've worked hard for that money and shouldn't be overtaxed just because but it seems like you seem to think that because they have a lot of money that suddenly they owe society something. That's ridiculous. If Bill Gates decided not give away a large portion of his money that's his right. The idea you're throwing out there is that he must give back to society, which is simply not the case. It is great that he does, but he is indebted to no one.

[CDTA]

Where did i say that?

 

Yes some wasteful military spending can be cut, but since constitutionally, national defense is one of the few powers given to the federal government. not to spend $90 million over 4 years for Mango farmers in Pakistan, or losing $1.2 billion over 10 years in payments to dead people, or sending $17.8 million a year in aid to China, or the $1 billion paid in Home Energy Tax Credits to children and prisoners who DON`T own homes, or my personal favorite, the $592,527 dollars taxpayers gave to the Yerkes National Primate Research Center in Georgia to study why chimpanzees throw feces. thats just a few examples of the waste. Ive already said 100 times that im willing to pay more in taxes, but not for crap like that.

 

Im not totally sold on man-made global warming.because of 1. none of the advocates of it have ever been able to tell me how all the cars and factories ended the previous 11 known ice ages. 2. its being pushed by the United Nations which is the most useless group on the planet. 3. Its also being pushed by one-world government types who will enslave everybody.

BTW China is the number one polluter in the world not us.I welcome all forms of energy, wind, solar, coal, nuclear, and fossil fuel.

 

1. It's already been shown, that it is getting worse on a much worse level than before, and at a much more accelerated rate, than ever seen before, so you can just cut that BS right now.

2. Let's use QJ as an example here. Alot of the stuff he says doesn't make any sense at all. But then he posts, a really, really good idea. Should we just throw it our because of who said it? No.

3. um wat

You hypocrites who are against any of those choices should shut off your lights, walk or roller skate someplace and stop crying about it

 

Someone's going to stab me today, but I better not call the cops.

so youre ok with Iran and that Hitler wannabe getting a nuke?

 

Don't give me that crap that we were there to single handedly stop them from getting nukes.

 

if you invest it you help create jobs, if you buy a new car you help keep auto workers working, if you buy a private jet, you help keep those workers plus pilots, flight attendents, mechanics working, if you go out to dinner, you keep food service workers employed, you can donate a couple of million to charity plus hundreds of other scenarios. Id rather have a guy who earned 30 million dollars do what he wants with it then give it to the govenment who will waste it on BS and attack him for not paying his fair share

 

 

I'm not going to lie, there is logic in that argument.

 

MEMO, You are taking our money that we earned. Its called Private Property Rights guaranteed us in the Constitution. The Constitution gives limited and enumerated powers to the government what it can do, through the years, both parties have shredded it, thats why were 16 trillion in debt, and you want to give more money to them? Real Americans believe in personal responsibility, the freedom to pursue their happiness. it guarantees everyone equal opportunity, not equal results. The socialists want equal results, everyone will be poor but the Obama ruling class will be eating their Kobe` steaks and flying around on the 747 we pay for and you drones worship him. mindboggling

 

Joe

 

 

You need money to make money. If your'e from the ghetto, and your parents don't work, they don't have the same opportunity as someone who has parents who make millions of dollars a year and go to private school.

The socialists want equal results, everyone will be poor but the Obama ruling class will be eating their Kobe` steaks and flying around on the 747 we pay for and you drones worship him. mindboggling

Yet again, um wat

[CDTA]

Oh okay, so I stand corrected. So let the government get more of my hard earned money so that they can play Robin Hood is that the idea??

 

And on your last point, no, you've got it wrong. The point I was making is that if people fail in life that's their problem. We have social programs in place to help people to get on their feet, but we shouldn't get into the habit of saying well you were successful so let's punish you by taking your hard earned money and giving it to some Joe Schmoe deadbeat. This country became successful because there was no set limit for which one could be successful and earn money. If someone earns 30 million dollars and decides to take a crap with it, it is THEIR money and their business how they spend it. That's the point. They don't owe anyone anything nor do they have to justify how they spend their money. They've worked hard for that money and shouldn't be overtaxed just because but it seems like you seem to think that because they have a lot of money that suddenly they owe society something. That's ridiculous. If Bill Gates decided not give away a large portion of his money that's his right. The idea you're throwing out there is that he must give back to society, which is simply not the case. It is great that he does, but he is indebted to no one.

 

 

Poor =/= deadbeat. Please get this through your head. Don't make me say my story again. Also yet again, no matter how hard you work, there is nothing you can do that should make your salary $30 Million.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

Poor =/= deadbeat. Please get this through your head. Don't make me say my story again. Also yet again, no matter how hard you work, there is nothing you can do that should make your salary $30 Million.

 

Oh so now there's a "cap" on how much money one should be able to earn?? Unbelievable....

[Q10 Airport]

Isolationist Foreign Policy doesn't not work in this day and age.

 

 

I think you forgot about Switzerland. They live in an era with nukes, Iran, and everything else. They haven't been in a war in over 150 years (they did not fight in either World War). And don't tell me that Switzerland has nothing, because Geneva is the private banking capital of the world.

 

End the Bush tax cuts which lowered taxes for EVERYBODY. the lowest tax rate under Clinton was 15%, the Bush tax cuts lowered it to 10%. Highest tax rates under Clinton was 39.6%, Bush lowered it to 35%

 

 

This shows the lack of correlation between tax rates and economic vibrancy. The unemployment is double what it was under Clinton, even though tax rates are lower.

[Tokkemon]

I think you forgot about Switzerland. They live in an era with nukes, Iran, and everything else. They haven't been in a war in over 150 years (they did not fight in either World War). And don't tell me that Switzerland has nothing, because Geneva is the private banking capital of the world.

 

 

That's *why* they've never been in a war, Because they hold most of the world's money, and from all sides, be they good or bad. And that's not really Isolationism so much as State Neutrality (much like Sweden). They do involve themselves in diplomacy but rarely (if ever) take sides in anything.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

That's *why* they've never been in a war, Because they hold most of the world's money, and from all sides, be they good or bad. And that's not really Isolationism so much as State Neutrality (much like Sweden). They do involve themselves in diplomacy but rarely (if ever) take sides in anything.

 

 

lol... Switzerland and Sweden are both very rich Western European countries, so they really don't need or want to get themselves involved and quite frankly I don't blame them.

[CDTA]

Oh so now there's a "cap" on how much money one should be able to earn?? Unbelievable....

 

 

Nice twist on my words.

What I meant was, you deserve to get paid for what you did. If you cured cancer, then go ahead by all means make hundreds of millions of dollars. But if all you did was sit in an office, then you really don't deserve more than a million a year. (This varies, and I don't mean to group together all office jobs, I am aware that some office jobs have you working more than others.)

[Via Garibaldi 8]

Nice twist on my words.

What I meant was, you deserve to get paid for what you did. If you cured cancer, then go ahead by all means make hundreds of millions of dollars. But if all you did was sit in an office, then you really don't deserve more than a million a year. (This varies, and I don't mean to group together all office jobs, I am aware that some office jobs have you working more than others.)

 

 

LOL... Well how nice of you to say that about office workers... Have you worked in an office before?? I work sometimes 12 hours here in my office and believe me it is not a cake walk. We office folks work in the office because we have to make tough decisions quickly and tough decisions means more risks are taken, which usually equates to higher salaries. I pretty much run my entire department... I decide if I'm going to pay someone or not, how much I'm willing to pay, if I'm going to fire someone from a job, etc. In my almost 6 years working here, I can count the screw ups that I've had on one hand, which were due mainly to folks that I hired to work on the job... Not too shabby considering that I run hundreds of projects a year. I've even deducted monies from invoices if I wasn't happy with the end product I received... Not an easy thing to do, but those are the tough decisions that have to be made in protecting the department financially.

 

Many people I work with all the time say that they could never do my job due to the amount of stress it entails... Office jobs aren't for everyone...

[GojiMet86]

I believe in personal responsibility, following the law, and i expect everyone else to follow. I also expect my government to follow the law and be fiscally responsible. This government under the last 2 administrations have failed miserably.The administration in power today is run by a socialist, a man hell bent on destroying the society we built and installing his vision of a socialist utopia.

 

This election comes down to Liberty vs Tyranny, if you stand for Obama, you stand for tyranny. Simple as that.

 

Joe

 

 

No, it's not as simple as that, because Obama is not the tyrant. It's Romney and I-don't-care-about-facts Ryan that are as close to real tyrants as you can get in America. If you know anything about tyrants, it is that they change the system for people like themselves, entertain the masses with lies, and try to suppress the middle and lower classes by telling them they're poor just because they don’t work hard enough. Come on, do you honestly think that Romney, with his businessman background, won't try to make himself and his people richer? I know that some Democrats do that too, and not all Republicans do it. But you're openly supporting a businessman. A businessman, whose primary goal in life is to make profits for himself. You stand for Romney, you stand for tyranny and for making everyone else poor except for you. What this tandem is trying to do is have only the wealthy be the ones who have access to healthcare, while everyone else, who is given a good $6000 or so voucher, will have to choose between private companies (which today are expensive) and will suffer once the money for Medicaid and Medicare runs out. I’ll also point out that the countries that spend the most on Health Care have the most privatized systems. The US ranks first.

 

And why it it implied that only your type follows the laws? Yeah, only true, conservative, Republicans follow laws and believe in personal responsibility, and everyone else is trying to get rid of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and so on. Oh, and they're all socialists, anarchists, or communists.

 

May I remind you that, as much as I don't like their philosophies or their atheism, that it's been mainly these "evil" socialists and communists that have tried to end things like racial segregation (King, Jr. here, Mandela in South Africa, and Gandhi for India). And this is with Obama being a capitalist (he's worth quite a bit).

 

And on your last point, no, you've got it wrong. The point I was making is that if people fail in life that's their problem. We have social programs in place to help people to get on their feet, but we shouldn't get into the habit of saying well you were successful so let's punish you by taking your hard earned money and giving it to some Joe Schmoe deadbeat. This country became successful because there was no set limit for which one could be successful and earn money. If someone earns 30 million dollars and decides to take a crap with it, it is THEIR money and their business how they spend it. That's the point. They don't owe anyone anything nor do they have to justify how they spend their money. They've worked hard for that money and shouldn't be overtaxed just because but it seems like you seem to think that because they have a lot of money that suddenly they owe society something. That's ridiculous. If Bill Gates decided not give away a large portion of his money that's his right. The idea you're throwing out there is that he must give back to society, which is simply not the case. It is great that he does, but he is indebted to no one.

 

 

See, that "it's people's responsibility for success and if they fail in life, it's their fault" mentality that has made the rich richer and the poor poorer. Following that logic, you’re saying that the people laid off work are responsible for being laid off because it's their own fault for being laid off (it doesn't make sense). Basically, you're telling the 1000 or so MTA employees laid off in 2010 that they are responsible for their own being laid off, yet completely disregarding the fact that other forces are at work.

 

What do you define as hard work? Is it were you get a lot of money? Is it investing? Working in an office? Playing baseball? Gee, that's real hard work. It's obviously much harder than working in a coal mine, operating a train, making clothing, building a car, flipping burgers, etc. And of course, these investors, office workers and ballplayers deserve sooooo much more money than than the regular poor schmuck who is physically killing himself in his job and trying to provide for his family.

[Phantom909]

This shows the lack of correlation between tax rates and economic vibrancy. The unemployment is double what it was under Clinton, even though tax rates are lower.

 

 

the bush tax cuts are for personal income, not corporate income. the corporate tax rate has more of an impact on economic vibrancy and the unemployment rate. Top corporate rates are the same today as they were under Clinton, 35% (highest rate in the world), the difference today is that corporations are holding back money because they know that the Obama anti-business agenda, if he gets re`elected, they will be burdened with more onerous taxes and regulations. Multi-National corporations are holding money offshore because income earned in foreign countries are taxed there and if the corporations send the net profits back here they are taxed again at a 35% rate Since everybody loves to bash big oil Ill use them as an example

 

exxon\Mobils tax rate for oil profits in Angola is 70%, so if they made $10 billion dollars there the net profit is $3 billon, if they send that $3 billion here it gets taxed again another $1.05 billion leaving it with $1.95 billion or an effective tax rate of 80.5%, why would they send it back here?

 

i just used that as an example, No company pays more taxes than Exxon\Mobil. they paid a 42% tax rate. Heres a list of the top 25 US companies that pay the most taxes, Look through the numbers and make your own decisions

 

.http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mef45fkfh/1-exxonmobil/#gallerycontent

 

Joe

[Tokkemon]

To quote Martin and Charlie Sheen in the 1988 movie "Wall Street":

 

Carl Fox: He's [Gekko] using you, kid. He's got your prick in his back pocket, but you're too blind to see it.

Bud Fox: No. What I see is a jealous old machinist who can't stand the fact that his son has become more successful than he has!

Carl Fox: What you see is a guy who never measured a man's success by the size of his WALLET! [emphasis mine]

Bud Fox: That's because you never had the GUTS to go out into the world and stake your own claim!

[Long Pause]

Carl Fox: Boy, if that's the way you feel, I must have done a really lousy job as a father.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

See, that "it's people's responsibility for success and if they fail in life, it's their fault" mentality that has made the rich richer and the poor poorer. Following that logic, you’re saying that the people laid off work are responsible for being laid off because it's their own fault for being laid off (it doesn't make sense). Basically, you're telling the 1000 or so MTA employees laid off in 2010 that they are responsible for their own being laid off, yet completely disregarding the fact that other forces are at work.

 

What do you define as hard work? Is it were you get a lot of money? Is it investing? Working in an office? Playing baseball? Gee, that's real hard work. It's obviously much harder than working in a coal mine, operating a train, making clothing, building a car, flipping burgers, etc. And of course, these investors, office workers and ballplayers deserve sooooo much more money than than the regular poor schmuck who is physically killing himself in his job and trying to provide for his family.

 

 

Being laid off is one thing... That's not a failure... That's just a part of working in the professional world... It happens... What I mean is folks that didn't give a damn, and cut school, and now they're looking for someone to help them because they wasted their own opportunities to make something of themselves. If some poor schmuck is stuck at a dead end job well that's his fault. Life is about the opportunities that you create for yourself. NO ONE is going to give you anything. If you want something you've got to work for it, period. I've worked extremely hard to get to where I am today and I wasn't born with a silver spoon either. I grew up in a hard working middle class family and my parents taught me the importance of hard work and being independent and not expecting handouts.

 

In the end it comes down to what you make of yourself. I was in the new Whole Foods today and as I was checking out my groceries the cashier was asking me if the new location was easier for me and I said it didn't matter because I live in Riverdale and could get to the location just the same. She remarked about how she was "trying to move up" to Riverdale and I thought to myself good luck with that because on a cashier's salary I don't know how she would be able to afford anything in Riverdale.

 

The point I'm making with that comment is some burger flipper at McDonald's gets the sh*t work because that's the opportunity that he made for himself. I made sacrificies when in high school and college. Instead of going out and partying all the time I made sure I hit the books because I was not going to squander an opportunity to make something of myself and end up in some dead end job, and so I'm not going to feel bad because I have a good paying office job and some failure didn't make something of himself and now has to struggle. That's life and in life no one owes no one anything. The sooner folks get that, the better off they'll be.

[GojiMet86]

Being laid off is one thing... That's not a failure... That's just a part of working in the professional world... It happens... What I mean is folks that didn't give a damn, and cut school, and now they're looking for someone to help them because they wasted their own opportunities to make something of themselves. If some poor schmuck is stuck at a dead end job well that's his fault. Life is about the opportunities that you create for yourself. NO ONE is going to give you anything. If you want something you've got to work for it, period. I've worked extremely hard to get to where I am today and I wasn't born with a silver spoon either. I grew up in a hard working middle class family and my parents taught me the importance of hard work and being independent and not expecting handouts.

 

In the end it comes down to what you make of yourself. I was in the new Whole Foods today and as I was checking out my groceries the cashier was asking me if the new location was easier for me and I said it didn't matter because I live in Riverdale and could get to the location just the same. She remarked about how she was "trying to move up" to Riverdale and I thought to myself good luck with that because on a cashier's salary I don't know how she would be able to afford anything in Riverdale.

 

The point I'm making with that comment is some burger flipper at McDonald's gets the sh*t work because that's the opportunity that he made for himself. I made sacrificies when in high school and college. Instead of going out and partying all the time I made sure I hit the books because I was not going to squander an opportunity to make something of myself and end up in some dead end job, and so I'm not going to feel bad because I have a good paying office job and some failure didn't make something of himself and now has to struggle. That's life and in life no one owes no one anything. The sooner folks get that, the better off they'll be.

 

When you put it that way, then it's basically all right. It's just that sometimes you imply that basically all people on welfare are trying to get money from the government because all of them don't work.

[Phantom909]

 

 

No, it's not as simple as that, because Obama is not the tyrant. It's Romney and I-don't-care-about-facts Ryan that are as close to real tyrants as you can get in America. If you know anything about tyrants, it is that they change the system for people like themselves, entertain the masses with lies, and try to suppress the middle and lower classes by telling them they're poor just because they don’t work hard enough. Come on, do you honestly think that Romney, with his businessman background, won't try to make himself and his people richer? I know that some Democrats do that too, and not all Republicans do it. But you're openly supporting a businessman. A businessman, whose primary goal in life is to make profits for himself. You stand for Romney, you stand for tyranny and for making everyone else poor except for you. What this tandem is trying to do is have only the wealthy be the ones who have access to healthcare, while everyone else, who is given a good $6000 or so voucher, will have to choose between private companies (which today are expensive) and will suffer once the money for Medicaid and Medicare runs out. I’ll also point out that the countries that spend the most on Health Care have the most privatized systems. The US ranks first.

 

And why it it implied that only your type follows the laws? Yeah, only true, conservative, Republicans follow laws and believe in personal responsibility, and everyone else is trying to get rid of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and so on. Oh, and they're all socialists, anarchists, or communists.

 

May I remind you that, as much as I don't like their philosophies or their atheism, that it's been mainly these "evil" socialists and communists that have tried to end things like racial segregation (King, Jr. here, Mandela in South Africa, and Gandhi for India). And this is with Obama being a capitalist (he's worth quite a bit).

 

Obama isn`t a tyrant/ if that statement wasn`t so sad it would be hilarious. The most anti-private sector President in the history of the country. The man who has created more debt than anyone in the history of the world, the man who took an oath to preserve, protect, and defend the constitution of the United States, and has violated that oath numerous times. The man who is dictating what kind of light bulbs we can use, what kind of toilet we can use, and what kind of car we can drive, the man who follows the teachings of Saul Alinsky, especially rule #13 in the "Rules for Radicals" handbook:

 

Rule #13) Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

 

This is his class warfare agenda which he uses against the private sector. The man who never operated a cash register at a 7-11, who never ran a business, yet he runs the biggest economy in the world.

 

I stand for Romney for a few reasons. The private sector is what built this country, not government. You must believe in Obama`s statement that successful business were successful because of the government building roads and bridges. The government didnt give us the roads and bridges out of the goodness of their hearts, we paid for them with our taxes and pay for the upkeep with our taxes. That is part of the civil society. If You and Obama want to believe that, then the government has to take the blame for all the businesses that failed on those same roads.

 

A Businessman knows how to create jobs, where a community organiser doesnt. Yes, people will get richer, but more people will be working at private sector jobs instead of being dependent on the government. More workers = more taxpayers= more tax revenue= less money being spent by the government= more help for the people who truly need it.

 

And finally, the biggest problem in this country are extremists on both sides. We need more moderates. The Far Right hates Romney and the Far Left hates Romney. The Far Right hates Obama but the far left worship Obama, nuff said.

 

For Paul Ryan and your misconception about facts. I already proved that he was right that the Gm plant closed for good in april 2009. His original plan for MediCare was for just vouchers, that was voted down along with his budget by the Senate. He revised the plan by reaching across to a liberal Senator from Oregon, Ron Wyden, Their bi-partisan plan gives choices which I already explained, You can take a voucher or you can KEEP MediCare, its YOUR choice.Now Wyden is trying to distance himself from it because of pressure from Obama and the Democrat machine. Try reading it for yourself

 

http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfiles/wydenryan.pdf

 

and BTW the Civil Rights Act of 1964 wouldve never passed without Republicans In the Senate only 69% of Democrats voted for it (46-21) while 82% of Republicans voted for it (27-6). in the house only 61% of democrats voted for it (152-96) while 80% of Republicans voted for it (138-34)

 

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/183344.html

 

Obama stands for tyranny, not Romney.

 

Joe

[Threxx]

Buisnessman creating jobs? Yeah right... please use facts when you post. Corporate execs don't create jobs.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

Buisnessman creating jobs? Yeah right... please use facts when you post. Corporate execs don't create jobs.

 

LOL... Actually they do... My boss is the president of the company so there goes that idea...

[Phantom909]

Buisnessman creating jobs? Yeah right... please use facts when you post. Corporate execs don't create jobs.

 

Then who creates jobs? The job fairy?

 

Joe

[Via Garibaldi 8]

Then who creates jobs? The job fairy?

 

Joe

 

He doesn't seem to realize that small business owners ("executives") are the ones that create the most jobs in this country...

[GojiMet86]

and BTW the Civil Rights Act of 1964 wouldve never passed without Republicans In the Senate only 69% of Democrats voted for it (46-21) while 82% of Republicans voted for it (27-6). in the house only 61% of democrats voted for it (152-96) while 80% of Republicans voted for it (138-34)

 

http://answers.googl.../id/183344.html

 

 

You forgot to go by region:

 

http://en.wikipedia....hts_Act_of_1964

 

By party and region

 

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

 

The original House version:

• Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
  
• Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
  

• Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
  
• Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)
  

The Senate version:

• Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%)
  
• Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%)
  
• Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%)
  
• Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)
  

 

After that, the Southern Democrats (who voted against the Civil Rights Act) switched their alliance to what today are the Republicans, and the Northern Republicans moved in with what today are the Democrats. Basically, the old Southern Democrats (along with the old Southern Republicans) are today's Republicans, and the old Northern Republicans, along with the old Northern Democrats, are now Democrats.