error46146 Posted September 3, 2012 Share #26 Posted September 3, 2012 Well how about this... maybe if we stop wasting $$$$ on coach buses we don't need then the fare of the express bus can actually be lowered and more people can ride them... Then again, god forbid that ever happens as that will bring "undesirables" onto the bus..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoSpectacular Posted September 3, 2012 Share #27 Posted September 3, 2012 Well how about this... maybe if we stop wasting $$$$ on coach buses we don't need then the fare of the express bus can actually be lowered and more people can ride them... Then again, god forbid that ever happens as that will bring "undesirables" onto the bus..... You're basically only paying for the luxuries of riding such a bus. Maintenance costs are only higher because of the more higher quality material used in its construction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
error46146 Posted September 3, 2012 Share #28 Posted September 3, 2012 I remember when Triboro ran their GMC RTS's on the Express routes.. the express bus fare was $3 i think lol (double the 1.50 local fare) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astoria Line Posted September 3, 2012 Share #29 Posted September 3, 2012 Why don't the high end coaches run on the higher ridership express bus routes OR during peak times only, when ridership as it its highest.. Running regular buses during off peak hours can save money and there can be a lower fare off peak too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astoria Line Posted September 3, 2012 Share #30 Posted September 3, 2012 Well how about this... maybe if we stop wasting $$$$ on coach buses we don't need then the fare of the express bus can actually be lowered and more people can ride them... Then again, god forbid that ever happens as that will bring "undesirables" onto the bus..... LMAO! well undesirables to some people like VG8 are regular average people who aren't snobs, so that is unavoidable lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgor Posted September 3, 2012 Author Share #31 Posted September 3, 2012 Well how about this... maybe if we stop wasting $$$$ on coach buses we don't need then the fare of the express bus can actually be lowered and more people can ride them... Then again, god forbid that ever happens as that will bring "undesirables" onto the bus..... The high cost is because these buses travel very far and carry much less people than a regular bus would. I think that this can explain it to you: Top express bus riders-per-bus compared to top Manhattan bus riders-per-bus: X22: 35.3 miles, 36 passengers M101: 10.3 miles, 88.8 passengers And even shorter bus routes: M86: 2.4 miles, 67 passengers It doesn't matter what kind of bus you're using. Traveling that far requires a lot of gas, and express buses are serving much less passengers per mile than local buses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted September 3, 2012 Share #32 Posted September 3, 2012 Well how about this... maybe if we stop wasting $$$$ on coach buses we don't need then the fare of the express bus can actually be lowered and more people can ride them... Then again, god forbid that ever happens as that will bring "undesirables" onto the bus..... Well, a good strategy is to lower the peak:base ratio. Look at the cost per passenger for the Hylan Blvd routes on the weekdays vs. weekends (obviously on the weekends, it's just the X1). There are more riders per bus on the weekdays, but the cost per passenger is lower on the weekends. The reason is that the peak:base ratio is lower. On the weekdays, you have a ton of buses running relatively full into Manhattan, but then they deadhead back and forth to SI (Somebody mentioned buses being stored at Quill Depot, but even then, the B/Os are being paid for the downtime between runs. Not trying to start a debate over the union rules or anything). By contrast on the weekends, the levels of service are fairly consistant throughout the day. So the solution is to try and encourage people to shift from peak to off-peak. The easiest way is by changing the fare structure. I would have the off-peak fare be twice the local bus/subway fare, and the peak fare be 2.5 times the local fare. So let's say the next time they raise the fares, they raise the local fare to $2.50. You would have a $5 fare off-peak, and a $6.25 fare during rush hour. People have also suggested running articulated buses with padded seats, so fewer buses are needed during rush hour (of course, this would only apply to crowded routes). So you would be able to reduce the headways a little bit, but on a busy line like the X1, it wouldn't make much of a difference (and if you need to accomodate standees, it's easier to do it compared to an MCI) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted September 3, 2012 Share #33 Posted September 3, 2012 The high cost is because these buses travel very far and carry much less people than a regular bus would. I think that this can explain it to you: Top express bus riders-per-bus compared to top Manhattan bus riders-per-bus: X22: 35.3 miles, 36 passengers M101: 10.3 miles, 88.8 passengers And even shorter bus routes: M86: 2.4 miles, 67 passengers It doesn't matter what kind of bus you're using. Traveling that far requires a lot of gas, and express buses are serving much less passengers per mile than local buses. I don't disagree with that general logic, but you have to consider the fact that express buses have more open stretches, so even though the distance is longer, the runtime is shorter. At the height of rush hour, the X22 takes about 100 minutes, while the M101 has about 120 minutes of runtime. Plus, the X22 overall has fewer sections with stop-and-go traffic, so it's less wear-and-tear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brokecrazy Posted September 24, 2012 Share #34 Posted September 24, 2012 The X25 ridership went downhill after 9/11. I used it last before it got the axe (before the 2010 service cuts) going to GCT from Downtown and it had a decent load. The X25 was interlined (word I learned on Subchat) with the X29 (Coney Island ave) bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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