mark1447 Posted September 26, 2012 Share #1 Posted September 26, 2012 There is plenty of fear, uncertainty and doubt out there over the upcoming federal ban on incandescent light bulbs. The very thought of losing that pear-shaped giver of warm, yellow light drove Europeans to hoard Edison's invention as the European Union's Sept. 1 deadline on incandescent lamps approached. China's ban on incandescent lamps that use 100 watts or more of power starts Oct. 1. The ban expands to cover any light bulbs that use more than 60 watts in 2014 and to 15 watts in 2016. In the U.S., the situation is different. The Energy Independence and Security Act (EISA) of 2007 is not technically a ban. It's an energy efficiency standard that requires all screw-in light bulbs (also known as lamps) to use 30% less power, beginning with 100-watt bulbs this year. The end standard requires bulbs to use 65% less energy by 2020. If a manufacturer could produce an Edison incandescent bulb that used 30% less power today, the maker could sell it. Since manufacturers can't make such a bulb, the EISA essentially becomes a ban on inefficient lamps. When suppliers run out of stock, consumers and businesses will have to replace traditional bulbs with more energy-efficient alternatives. They will have three choices: halogen incandescent bulbs, compact fluorescent lamps (CFLs) or light-emitting diodes (LEDs). In the U.S., EISA standard requirement for 100-watt bulbs began last January. The ban on 75-watt bulbs goes into effect Jan. 1, 2013. The deadline for the most popular bulbs, the 60-watt and 40-watt lamps, is Jan. 1, 2014, and will have the greatest impact on consumers, according to Philip Smallwood, senior lighting analyst at IMS Research. When the ban on 60-watt and 40-watt lamps begins in 2014, sales of incandescent bulbs are expected to drop off a cliff. For example, in 2011, about 1.1 billion bulbs were sold in North America (Canada also has an Edison bulb phaseout plan, but it has been put on hold). In 2014, North American sales are expected to drop to 200 million, according to IMS Research. In 2014, what's going to account for 200 million bulbs moving across checkout counters? There will be Canadian sales, and then there will be 22 types of traditional incandescent lamps that are exempt from the EISA, including appliance bulbs, heavy-duty bulbs, colored lights and three-way lamps. Read More: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9231570/Light_bulb_ban_leads_to_hoarding_in_Europe_is_U.S._next_?taxonomyId=205&pageNumber=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak7 Posted September 26, 2012 Share #2 Posted September 26, 2012 Incandescent bulbs are useless. I use them only where it is beneficial that the light serve as a heater, and that's only a couple of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 26, 2012 Share #3 Posted September 26, 2012 Control, control, control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted September 26, 2012 Share #4 Posted September 26, 2012 What ever happened to choice? CFL's have mercury in them. They are dangerous if you drop one and you need a small hazmat team to clean it up. I don't like the idea of forced change especially when the alternative has it's own downside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted September 26, 2012 Author Share #5 Posted September 26, 2012 What ever happened to choice? CFL's have mercury in them. They are dangerous if you drop one and you need a small hazmat team to clean it up. I don't like the idea of forced change especially when the alternative has it's own downside. Its just like the control with drinking soda.... People should have a right to choose what they wanna do with their lives... Tho I am cool with CFLs. There are a VERY light amount of discount stores around my spot, that sells them cheaper than what major retailers sell them at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom909 Posted September 26, 2012 Share #6 Posted September 26, 2012 What ever happened to choice? CFL's have mercury in them. They are dangerous if you drop one and you need a small hazmat team to clean it up. I don't like the idea of forced change especially when the alternative has it's own downside. welcome to the world of the flat earth, no growth, eco-terrorists Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted September 26, 2012 Share #7 Posted September 26, 2012 I disliked CFL's since I've used it in my room, now I returned to Incandescent Light Bulbs, however a LED Bulb test is showing positive results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo19 Posted September 26, 2012 Share #8 Posted September 26, 2012 Here in California, they discontinued the sale of 100 watt incandescants in 2011. Bulbs of 75 watts were discontinued in 2012, and bulbs of 60 and 40 watts will be discontinued here in 2013. Apparently bulbs of lower wattages can reach the same number of lumens (measurement of light brightness) the old ones could. Here is what the "experts" say. http://www.energy.ca...tbulb_faqs.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VWM Posted September 26, 2012 Share #9 Posted September 26, 2012 welcome to the world of the flat earth, no growth, eco-terrorists Joe I read a page from the Flat Earth society... that stuff is scary... And I believe eco-terrorist is a bit overblown considering the scientific facts of pollution... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted September 27, 2012 Share #10 Posted September 27, 2012 welcome to the world of the flat earth, no growth, eco-terrorists What is an eco-terrorist? Do they bomb greenhouses or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted September 27, 2012 Share #11 Posted September 27, 2012 I believe he's referring to the more radicalized environmentalists that resort to property damage to get their message across. Personally I have CFLs in all my lights because they don't heat up the lamps like incandescents do. I have a special full spectrum CFL light on my desk lamp that shows accurate white balanced colors and doesnt "yellow" things like standard lights do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted September 27, 2012 Share #12 Posted September 27, 2012 The Flat Earth Society people are a bunch of idiots, and that scares me more than anything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom909 Posted September 28, 2012 Share #13 Posted September 28, 2012 What is an eco-terrorist? Do they bomb greenhouses or something? It refers to both the environmentalists who destroy property but also to the unelected 4th branch of government, The bearaucrats, who answer to no one who drive up the costs of everything with their ideological regulations that hurt everyone, mostly middle class and poorer americans. obama supports this crap so whenever he opens his mouth saying hes for the middle class and poor, its another one of his blatant lies that you drones buy like its on sale Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QM1to6Ave Posted September 28, 2012 Share #14 Posted September 28, 2012 CFL's suck. They never work properly, tend to crack and explode, are awkward sizes/shapes, and never shine the same amount of lumens as claimed. LED bulbs seem to be pretty good, but are still expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted September 28, 2012 Share #15 Posted September 28, 2012 It refers to both the environmentalists who destroy property but also to the unelected 4th branch of government, The bearaucrats, who answer to no one who drive up the costs of everything with their ideological regulations that hurt everyone, mostly middle class and poorer americans. obama supports this crap so whenever he opens his mouth saying hes for the middle class and poor, its another one of his blatant lies that you drones buy like its on sale Joe How you made the conenction that light bulb regulation is Europe is proof that Obama is against America's middle class is beyond me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo19 Posted September 28, 2012 Share #16 Posted September 28, 2012 It refers to both the environmentalists who destroy property but also to the unelected 4th branch of government, The bearaucrats, who answer to no one who drive up the costs of everything with their ideological regulations that hurt everyone, mostly middle class and poorer americans. obama supports this crap so whenever he opens his mouth saying hes for the middle class and poor, its another one of his blatant lies that you drones buy like its on sale Joe Other than the price of light bulbs rising modestly, what are the negative impacts perpetuated amongst the middle class and those under the poverty line. These people were certainly not stricken with poverty directly as a result of the light bulb regulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VWM Posted September 29, 2012 Share #17 Posted September 29, 2012 We were learning about latitude and longitude in ES... My teacher gave us a flat earth society sheet, ANSI was scared my teacher believed their bs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom909 Posted September 29, 2012 Share #18 Posted September 29, 2012 How you made the conenction that light bulb regulation is Europe is proof that Obama is against America's middle class is beyond me... because the same thing is coming here. 100 watt light bulbs were scheduled to be illegal to buy last dec 31, but because jeff immelt, ceo of ge had millions left they waived it till the supply runs out, my job partly consists of selling light bulbs and i cant get anymore 100 watt bulbs from my supplier. 75 watts are next followed by 60`s and so on. CFL`s are more expensive than incandescents, plus with the mercury in them they are more dangerous if broken. this is just an example on his war on the middle class, his unconstitutional refusal to follow a federal court order to resume drilling in the gulf is one of the reasons that gas prices have doubled over his term from $1.84 a gallon when he took office to $3.83 a gallon today. higher fuel costs raise the prices of everything delivered by truck, train, or plane, which is basically everything. his closing in the next 2 years of 15% of power plants throughout the country, with nothing to replace that lost electricity will raise the cost of electricity for everyone. his ridiculous edict of all cars and light trucks to get 55 mpg by 2025 is fantasy, unless cars are made from cardboard which means more people will die in accidents. No President in history has waged a war on the middle class and poor in america as obama has Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted September 30, 2012 Share #19 Posted September 30, 2012 this is just an example on his war on the middle class, his unconstitutional refusal to follow a federal court order to resume drilling in the gulf is one of the reasons that gas prices have doubled over his term from $1.84 a gallon when he took office to $3.83 a gallon today. When was gas $1.84 a gallon? It sure wasn't back in 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom909 Posted September 30, 2012 Share #20 Posted September 30, 2012 When was gas $1.84 a gallon? It sure wasn't back in 2008. heres the proof http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2009/01/average-gas-pricesjanuary-26-2009.html Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo19 Posted September 30, 2012 Share #21 Posted September 30, 2012 heres the proof http://news.consumer...ry-26-2009.html Joe It definitely was never under $2.00 here in California, and I'm sure as hell that it was never under $2.00 out in New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom909 Posted September 30, 2012 Share #22 Posted September 30, 2012 It definitely was never under $2.00 here in California, and I'm sure as hell that it was never under $2.00 out in New York. its the national average, new york and california are always higher because higher taxes and costs to deliver the product. heres a chart for today that shows the cheapest average price is in south carolina and the highest is in hawaii http://gasbuddy.com/GB_Price_List.aspx and here is a chart of the average gas price over the last 5 years. On 12/14/2008 the national average was $1.61 http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?time=24 Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo19 Posted September 30, 2012 Share #23 Posted September 30, 2012 its the national average, new york and california are always higher because higher taxes and costs to deliver the product. heres a chart for today that shows the cheapest average price is in south carolina and the highest is in hawaii http://gasbuddy.com/GB_Price_List.aspx and here is a chart of the average gas price over the last 5 years. On 12/14/2008 the national average was $1.61 http://www.gasbuddy....rt.aspx?time=24 Joe As usual, national media is only useful/relevant if you live in the boonies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom909 Posted September 30, 2012 Share #24 Posted September 30, 2012 As usual, national media is only useful/relevant if you live in the boonies. what does that mean? Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted October 2, 2012 Share #25 Posted October 2, 2012 It definitely was never under $2.00 here in California, and I'm sure as hell that it was never under $2.00 out in New York. It was under $2.00 from when they introduced gas here until late 2003. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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