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California Governor Jerry Brown Gives Drivers Licenses to Illegal Immigrant

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If you’re one of the 400,000 young illegal immigrants in California, then now’s your chance to get a California drivers license.

 

Governor Jerry Brown signed a bill on Sunday night which lets young people qualify for licenses if they are accepted by a federal program giving work permits to immigrants who came to the United States before they were 16 and are now 30 years old or younger, according to Sacramento radio station KFBK.

“Gov. Brown believes the federal government should pursue comprehensive immigration reform with a pathway to citizenship,” Brown spokesman Gil Duran was quoted by the Los Angeles Times as saying. “President Obama has recognized the unique status of these students, and making them eligible to apply for driver’s licenses is an obvious next step.”

Opponents argued California should be careful handing out drivers licenses because they are used as identification for many other purposes, including entering airline terminals, The Sacramento Bee reported.

“It is a victory for those who were brought here through no choice of their own, played by the rules, and are only asking to be included in and contribute to American society,” said the bill’s creator, Assemblyman Gil Cedillo.

 

 

This is an SFGate.com

 

Pure BS if you ask me........that state will do anything to exploit people and make money....

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Ay yay yay... I don't know what about illegal isn't clear. Now I'm all for legal immigration, but when will these politicians understand that entering the country illegally is against the law? I understand the reasons and all but you have many people who come here for the same purpose (to find work) and they do it the legal way and get their paperwork in order and come here legally. Yeah I know it isn't easy, but nothing in life is easy. I just find it rather insulting for folks to come here illegally as if our laws don't apply to them and if the shoe was on the other foot, you'd better believe that they'd be wanting us to enter legally. It's a slap in the face to those people who wait their turn in line and a slap in the face to our legal system, as it is made into a mockery.

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How long until one of these invalids kills someone?

 

Unfortunately we have short memories in this country. All in the name of "coming out of the shadows".... I mean really if I was somewhere illegally why would I want to become legal if everything is working fine for me now? A paying job which you don't have to pay taxes on aside from what you buy. The suckers are you and me... The so-called "citizens"... I remember my drivers' license was about to expire and I was even getting a hard time getting beer at the supermarket and I'm thinking are you kidding me???

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Yeah, I'm sure taking the money for the DMV fees now is going to offset the potential lawsuits against the state if someone is killed by an illegal immigrant driving....

 

Watch the insurance and taxes going up over this. And how much longer will the middle and upper class folks get fed up and leave the state to the poor and illegals? At this rate California may as well be given back to Mexico.

 

I mean why do illegals get all the perks while you have immigrants waiting up to years to apply for citizenship legally? What's the incentive anymore to apply legally if anyone can cross over/under the fence illegally and not get deported or prosecuted for trespassing?

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Yeah, I'm sure taking the money for the DMV fees now is going to offset the potential lawsuits against the state if someone is killed by an illegal immigrant driving....

 

I mean why do illegals get all the perks while you have immigrants waiting up to years to apply for citizenship legally? What's the incentive anymore to apply legally if anyone can cross over/under the fence illegally and not get deported or prosecuted for trespassing?

 

 

LOL... I can't help but to laugh... :lol: That's exactly what I've been asking... Now you've got folks entering illegally simply because they find our legal system to be a joke and they feel entitled to be able to do so.

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Yeah, I'm sure taking the money for the DMV fees now is going to offset the potential lawsuits against the state if someone is killed by an illegal immigrant driving....

 

 

I'm not sure what somebody's legal status necessarily has to do with their ability to drive. Being an illegal immigrant doesn't mean you're an inherently worse driver than a legal citizen.

 

For what it's worth, it only applies if you came here before you were 16, in which case it probably wasn't a choice for you. Now, of course, once you're here and aware that you're here illegally, you should try to get citizenship, so I guess in some ways getting a drivers' license is an incentive to do so.

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If they have a license from their home country they should be able to exchange it or just keep that and drive around with it since theres international agreements where countries accept eachothers drivers licenses as a qualification to drive. When I was in South Africa in 2002 my family had a rental car, it took time getting used to driving 'british style' but we got used to it.

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Quite frankly they shouldn't be allowed to do anything here since they're here illegally...

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Opponents argued California should be careful handing out drivers licenses because they are used as identification for many other purposes, including entering airline terminals, The Sacramento Bee reported.

 

And this is bad because?....

 

Quite frankly they shouldn't be allowed to do anything here since they're here illegally...

 

 

That seems a it harsh. What if they're just waiting for citizenship? They'll be so pissed off that they can't do anything while they wait, they'll leave. Is that what you want?

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It's nice to know that there's a line that immigrants wait in in order to get into this country, and that illegal immigrants are skipping it in front of those that "waited" in line.

 

It's nicer to know that this line doesn't exist at all, and that it is a myth.

 

It's just as nice that people continue to believe that there is such a line.

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And this is bad because?....

 

 

 

That seems a it harsh. What if they're just waiting for citizenship? They'll be so pissed off that they can't do anything while they wait, they'll leave. Is that what you want?

 

 

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That seems a it harsh. What if they're just waiting for citizenship? They'll be so pissed off that they can't do anything while they wait, they'll leave. Is that what you want?

 

 

How can they just be waiting for citizenship when they've already entered the country illegally?? As for your other question.... Uh yes, if they can't enter the country legally, then they should leave and show some respect to the people that entered legally, but more importantly show some respect for our laws. I have never entered any country illegally. Italy for example has very strict immigration laws like most of Western Europe and there is a ton of paperwork not to mention expense involved, but I spend the time and monies to ensure that I have all of my proper paperwork in place when going there. Even with that I still could be denied entry, even though I'm eligible for Italian citizenship since my grandparents on my father's side were born in Sicily.

 

I do the same thing when I go to Canada...

 

I don't understand why folks think that entering any country illegally isn't a big deal. There are laws in place for a reason and personally we need to either enforce them or don't bother because it sends mixed messages to folks that come here legally. I mean why should they bother going through all of the paperwork and money if you have millions of folks entering illegally? It's a clear sign that our borders are broken.

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That seems a it harsh. What if they're just waiting for citizenship? They'll be so pissed off that they can't do anything while they wait, they'll leave. Is that what you want?

 

yes

It's nice to know that there's a line that immigrants wait in in order to get into this country, and that illegal immigrants are skipping it in front of those that "waited" in line.

 

It's nicer to know that this line doesn't exist at all, and that it is a myth.

 

It's just as nice that people continue to believe that there is such a line.

 

is that what your socialist professors in your college have told you? Read it and weep

 

http://www.legallanguage.com/legal-articles/immigrant-visa-applicants/

 

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I'm not sure what somebody's legal status necessarily has to do with their ability to drive.

 

What happens when someone dies as a result of their negligence and meanwhile, the whole thing could have been prevented if they were sent back on the next banana boat instead of being handed a drivers license and sent on their way?

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What is most ironic is that we as a transit forum aren´t advocating for transit use¸ would there be a problem then?

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What is most ironic is that we as a transit forum aren´t advocating for transit use¸ would there be a problem then?

 

 

Not really, just because we like trains and whatnot doesn't mean that we must shun the use of automobiles or any other form of transportation. That winds up happening cuz a majority of the users here are from New York city and don't own cars. Ive always been for using whatever transportation method works best for where you need to go, and for a majority of the places I go, that happens to be my car.

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yes

 

is that what your socialist professors in your college have told you? Read it and weep

 

http://www.legallang...isa-applicants/

 

Joe

 

 

Who, those evil Commie professors hell bent on destroying the fabric of American society by indoctrinating our children with concern for human and civil rights?

 

Oh, you mean the ones that have advanced civil rights for minorities, unlike you and your professors, who would have been so happy to see minorities repressed.

 

I also find it funny when you and your type go around taking credit for things like civil rights for minorities.

Don't pretend it was your ideology that helped get rid of things like the Chinese immigration quotas or helped create the Civil Rights Acts. It was mostly these left-wingers that helped blacks, Hispanics and other groups gain rights.

 

After all, Martin Luther King, Jr. was a socialist. ;)

 

An excerpt from a ABA article:

 

http://www.abajourna...o_immigration_/

 

ISSUE: THE LEGAL IMMIGRATION PROCESS IS FRAUGHT WITH OBSTACLES

 

The argument that illegal immigrants should just get in line and wait their turn to be allowed to stay in the United States as legal residents sounds reasonable and fair, acknowledge advocates for expanded immigrant rights.

But there is a major flaw in that argument, says Williams of the American Immigration Lawyers Association: “The fact is that 99.9 percent of the people who come here illegally do so because there’s no path for them to come here legally.”

Most noncitizens are required by law to obtain a visa from the U.S. Department of State before traveling to the United States. Visas are issued for specified time periods and subject to certain conditions, depending on the reason for entering this country. Once here, Williams says, noncitizens may pursue either temporary or permanent residency in one of three ways.

The first is on humanitarian grounds, such as asylum seekers who have faced or will face persecution in their home country. “That’s a very high bar,” she notes. The number of cases in which individuals requested asylum dropped by just over 29 percent between the federal years 2007 and 2011, according to the latest statistical yearbook prepared by the Executive Office for Immigration Review in the U.S. Department of Justice. The number of asylum cases completed fell by 27 percent during the same period.

The second option is having a family member who is a U.S. citizen petition for you. “Most don’t have that,” Williams says. “If they do, there’s such a small quota for the category that literally it’ll be 10 to 20 years to reach the front of the line.”

Option three: Have an employer sponsor you. “There’s a very limited quota and a very limited means by which an employer can sponsor you,” says Williams. “An employer must show a shortage of people who can fill that job in the United States, and the quotas are so low for some categories.”

For an unskilled job—anything that requires less than two years of training or experience, which covers most jobs held by those living in the country without legal permission—the annual quota is 5,000, including family members, Williams says. “So really the quota is 2,000 to 3,000 people,” she says. “It’s expensive, and the backlog is so long that most employers won’t pursue it.”

The bottom line: “If you’re coming here to build a better life for your family, there’s really no way to come here legally,” Williams says. “Why don’t they just get in line? There’s no line to get into.”

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Not really, just because we like trains and whatnot doesn't mean that we must shun the use of automobiles or any other form of transportation. That winds up happening cuz a majority of the users here are from New York city and don't own cars. Ive always been for using whatever transportation method works best for where you need to go, and for a majority of the places I go, that happens to be my car.

 

Don´t speak to me. LMAO! :lol:

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Don´t speak to me. LMAO! :lol:

 

 

it is what it is, all the laughing and suggestions in the world isn't gunna change the way I get around. You still havent told me what your supposed nicer alternative was in the other thread.

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A certain trip, by rail, takes me 4 hours. In my car, it takes about 1-1.5 hours.

 

I know which way i'm going.

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An excerpt from a ABA article:

 

Quote

 

ISSUE: THE LEGAL IMMIGRATION PROCESS IS FRAUGHT WITH OBSTACLES

 

The argument that illegal immigrants should just get in line and wait their turn to be allowed to stay in the United States as legal residents sounds reasonable and fair, acknowledge advocates for expanded immigrant rights.

But there is a major flaw in that argument, says Williams of the American Immigration Lawyers Association: “The fact is that 99.9 percent of the people who come here illegally do so because there’s no path for them to come here legally.”

Most noncitizens are required by law to obtain a visa from the U.S. Department of State before traveling to the United States. Visas are issued for specified time periods and subject to certain conditions, depending on the reason for entering this country. Once here, Williams says, noncitizens may pursue either temporary or permanent residency in one of three ways.

The first is on humanitarian grounds, such as asylum seekers who have faced or will face persecution in their home country. “That’s a very high bar,” she notes. The number of cases in which individuals requested asylum dropped by just over 29 percent between the federal years 2007 and 2011, according to the latest statistical yearbook prepared by the Executive Office for Immigration Review in the U.S. Department of Justice. The number of asylum cases completed fell by 27 percent during the same period.

The second option is having a family member who is a U.S. citizen petition for you. “Most don’t have that,” Williams says. “If they do, there’s such a small quota for the category that literally it’ll be 10 to 20 years to reach the front of the line.”

Option three: Have an employer sponsor you. “There’s a very limited quota and a very limited means by which an employer can sponsor you,” says Williams. “An employer must show a shortage of people who can fill that job in the United States, and the quotas are so low for some categories.”

For an unskilled job—anything that requires less than two years of training or experience, which covers most jobs held by those living in the country without legal permission—the annual quota is 5,000, including family members, Williams says. “So really the quota is 2,000 to 3,000 people,” she says. “It’s expensive, and the backlog is so long that most employers won’t pursue it.”

The bottom line: “If you’re coming here to build a better life for your family, there’s really no way to come here legally,” Williams says. “Why don’t they just get in line? There’s no line to get into.”

 

 

No line to get into?? In short they're arguing that because the process is hard that justifies them breaking our laws and entering illegally. That still doesn't excuse it and there clearly is a line to get into because if there wasn't then explain the legal immigrants walking about? I'd be more inclined to argue that asylum rates dropped because folks know they can just enter illegally without even appealing.

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