paulrivera Posted June 20, 2013 Share #76 Posted June 20, 2013 The only Bx41 extension that has a shot of happening is southwards to LGA (I can see it happening at around the same time the M60SBS starts) but the plan for those buses involve using the Fordham Plaza area as the north terminal. Heck, they are probably better off pairing the two projects together, all you need on top of all the fare machines for the M60 is just one set of machines at 138th Street in the Bronx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted June 20, 2013 Share #77 Posted June 20, 2013 Simple the sucks ASS and many people use bx39 to classons point and parkchester a big chunk does not duplicate the subway and a reroute would duplicate other lines. The Bx41 doesn't directly duplicate any subway line anymore but the Bx39 is just fine as it is now. Haven't you noticed how not a single SBS route duplicates the subway? The B44 parallels the and on Nostrand. The M15 SBS will parallel the SAS once it opens in 2016. "Following a subway line" is a bad reason to cut a route short, especially since the Bx41SBS is the spiritual successor of the Third Av El. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted June 20, 2013 Share #78 Posted June 20, 2013 The B44 parallels the and on Nostrand. The M15 SBS will parallel the SAS once it opens in 2016. "Following a subway line" is a bad reason to cut a route short, especially since the Bx41SBS is the spiritual successor of the Third Av El. Actually, using that logic, since the Third Avenue El terminated at Gun Hill Road, it's "spiritual successor" should as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted June 20, 2013 Share #79 Posted June 20, 2013 The B44 parallels the and on Nostrand. The M15 SBS will parallel the SAS once it opens in 2016. "Following a subway line" is a bad reason to cut a route short, especially since the Bx41SBS is the spiritual successor of the Third Av El. B44 only duplicates for a short segment of it's route. Bx39 and Bx41 aren't broken now so no fix needed. No real difference there is still bus service. Bx41 once some go to LGA there would be zero incentive to run to wakefield. As wakefield folks for LGA would use either to or MNRR to M60 yes some people are that impatient part of the reason MTA increased MNRR service in the north Bronx stations on the harlem line. Checkmate13 already crushed your argument using your own logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JubaionBx12+SBS Posted June 20, 2013 Share #80 Posted June 20, 2013 I'm sorry but the Bx41/39 swap didn't save them money and didn't solve the problem the MTA set out to solve. The idea was by shortening the Bx41 it would become more reliable. That has not happened and the Bx39 has performed worse post-swap. The MTA should bring back the pre-2010 pattern out of shame for how things went. Now let's get back to discussing +SBS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted June 20, 2013 Share #81 Posted June 20, 2013 why would a SBS line that is long as hell continue northward underneath a subway line making it even longer bx41 doesn't need to return anywhere. Don't agree.... You cannot argue that riders from the north (of gun hill) wanted Parkchester more than they do the shopping area along Fordham rd.... There's more xferring b/w buses over there around Gun Hill rd. now than there was before the Bx39/Bx41 NB terminal swap...... Simple the sucks ASS and many people use bx39 to classons point and parkchester a big chunk does not duplicate the subway and a reroute would duplicate other lines. The Bx41 doesn't directly duplicate any subway line anymore but the Bx39 is just fine as it is now. Haven't you noticed how not a single SBS route duplicates the subway? The "sucking ass" has squat to do with reverting the Bx41 to Wakefield..... The doesn't "suck" anymore ass than the Bx39 under (more of) WPR (than the old Bx41 used to serve)..... I'll still say this much though..... I still believe the MTA swapped the Bx39/41 NB terminals to set up future +SBS+ for the 41...... Now I don't think the +SBS+ 41's should run to Wakefield, but I think the 41 should return to Wakefield - Which is all for naught now because they introducing +SBS+ on the 41..... Where is that same "long as hell" argument for the B44 +SBS+ though...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatOne2k Posted June 20, 2013 Share #82 Posted June 20, 2013 Actually, using that logic, since the Third Avenue El terminated at Gun Hill Road, it's "spiritual successor" should as well. 3 Av service used to terminate at 241 St, it was later cut back to Gun Hill Road B44 only duplicates for a short segment of it's route. Bx39 and Bx41 aren't broken now so no fix needed. No real difference there is still bus service. Bx41 once some go to LGA there would be zero incentive to run to wakefield. As wakefield folks for LGA would use either to or MNRR to M60 yes some people are that impatient part of the reason MTA increased MNRR service in the north Bronx stations on the harlem line. Checkmate13 already crushed your argument using your own logic. Bx41 isn't going to LGA, the SBS is going to be a new route ending at Fordham Plaza. I'm sorry but the Bx41/39 swap didn't save them money and didn't solve the problem the MTA set out to solve. The idea was by shortening the Bx41 it would become more reliable. That has not happened and the Bx39 has performed worse post-swap. The MTA should bring back the pre-2010 pattern out of shame for how things went. Now let's get back to discussing +SBS Bx39 service is a bit better since the swap. The overnight shuttle did get MTA hours of operation on the whole line (especially on Sundays), though S/B service on the full route does end 9 minutes earlier than before on Sunday nights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngblaze Posted June 24, 2013 Share #83 Posted June 24, 2013 I'm sorry but the Bx41/39 swap didn't save them money and didn't solve the problem the MTA set out to solve. The idea was by shortening the Bx41 it would become more reliable. That has not happened and the Bx39 has performed worse post-swap. The MTA should bring back the pre-2010 pattern out of shame for how things went. Now let's get back to discussing +SBS Do you have any numbers to prove this? The idea behind the swap was to send the 39 up to 241st being that it has a greater headway than the Bx41. The swap also allowed the Bx41 to "short turn" on White Plains road thus squeezing more trips out of the runs, resulting in a reduced number of runs resulting in saved money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted June 24, 2013 Share #84 Posted June 24, 2013 Young blaze which route did you pick onto did you pick onto the sbs or somewhere else? also i noticed with the schedules that they changed the routing to "the hub" terminal or will it be the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious2train Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share #85 Posted June 25, 2013 @Jubaion: What indication was there that the Bx39/Bx41 was done with the goal of increasing reliability on the Bx41? As far as I know, it was done to save money. As the analysis from the service reductions overview says, while the change in cost per rider was mixed, the MTA successfully got people to switch to the subway - which is good for efficiency since the subway is much more so than either bus line. Anyway, I didn't see it before, but it seems the MTA already long planned out the new configuration of bus stops at the Hub (along with Tremont Av and Gun Hill Rd) (in this month's open house presentation, near the end.) For comparison's sake, here's the current setups at The Hub and Gun Hill Road. Not really fond of the Bx15 having to share a stop with the Bx21 across the street from the train so that the Bx41 can have a block to itself, but I guess it's not really any more inconvenient than what Bx21 riders have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted June 25, 2013 Share #86 Posted June 25, 2013 I'm sorry but the Bx41/39 swap didn't save them money and didn't solve the problem the MTA set out to solve. The idea was by shortening the Bx41 it would become more reliable...... That's just not true.... Reliability had nothing to do with it.... Better matching capacity & demand, in laymen's, is another way of saying they want more riders per bus... It's from an overall efficiency point of view (better use of resources), not one of timeliness.... They saved money, due to the fact that the old 41 b/w The Hub & Wakefield had more daily trips than the old 39 b/w Clason Pt & Williamsbridge... In other words, there are less 39's now traveling the mileage it takes b/w Clason pt. & Wakefield than there were 41's that traveled the mileage it took b/w the Hub & Wakefield.... For anyone's reference, more Bx39/Bx41 info from the PDF: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted June 26, 2013 Share #87 Posted June 26, 2013 Now My question are.. 1.Is there a need for Bx39 Overnight service on that shuttle segment? 2. Is there demand for overnight Bx39 service south of East Gun Hill Road? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted June 26, 2013 Share #88 Posted June 26, 2013 Who is going on first Bx41 SBS ride? Not me, because I am on gay pride parade with NY Class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted June 27, 2013 Share #89 Posted June 27, 2013 Who is going on first Bx41 SBS ride? Not me, because I am on gay pride parade with NY Class. I'm going to another event, the Bx41 SBS is overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acela Express Posted June 27, 2013 Share #90 Posted June 27, 2013 Bx41 SBS schedule, effective 6/30: http://www.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/bronx/bx041scur.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
favbusbx13 Posted June 27, 2013 Share #91 Posted June 27, 2013 so the bx15lcl is going to be out of kb? cool :] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious2train Posted June 27, 2013 Author Share #92 Posted June 27, 2013 Who would want to ride an SBS route on the day it starts? A lot of people will be confused and have no idea what to do, and everything will be slow. Although now that I think about it I did ride the M15 when it first started. I'm more interested in seeing how the Bx15 will perform now. Bx41 SBS schedule, effective 6/30: http://www.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/bronx/bx041scur.pdf Way late to the party bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACEVE14 Posted June 27, 2013 Share #93 Posted June 27, 2013 I just busfan the Bx41LTD yesterday; if any of you want a chance to busfan the Bx41 and Bx55 Limiteds by taking pictures or by filming the whole bus ride down and back up, it's not too late. You still have today and tomorrow to make the best and very last of it. When I was busfanning, I saw some bus stops along the route saying that the southbound Bx41 Local and Limited Buses were going down to Mott Haven, which I know, doesn't go there anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted June 27, 2013 Share #94 Posted June 27, 2013 Knowing the , they probably won't even have personel at heavily used stops to help people new to the whole SBS system... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acela Express Posted June 27, 2013 Share #95 Posted June 27, 2013 @Mysterious2train lmao! I looked at the previous 2-3 pages and didn't see the link, so I 'assumed' no one posted it. ... but, I should've known though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted June 27, 2013 Share #96 Posted June 27, 2013 I just busfan the Bx41LTD yesterday; if any of you want a chance to busfan the Bx41 and Bx55 Limiteds by taking pictures or by filming the whole bus ride down and back up, it's not too late. You still have today and tomorrow to make the best and very last of it. When I was busfanning, I saw some bus stops along the route saying that the southbound Bx41 Local and Limited Buses were going down to Mott Haven, which I know, doesn't go there anymore. Thanks for the heads up..... Since I'm off til monday, I'll just ride out the full 55 from the hub & make sure to catch a gun hill rd bus sometime tomorrow morning.... Enough ppl. on these forums in the past predicted the eradication of the route would happen, and now in a couple of days here in 2013, it's gonna actually happen..... all for the sake of MTA's baby; +SBS+.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTA Bus Posted June 27, 2013 Share #97 Posted June 27, 2013 It's going to be weird seeing XD60s on the Bx15 LCL after Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted June 27, 2013 Share #98 Posted June 27, 2013 new schedule up http://www.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/bronx/bx015cur.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baseball02 Posted June 27, 2013 Share #99 Posted June 27, 2013 new schedule up http://www.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/bronx/bx015cur.pdf What I don't get is that why are there 5 Limited s that leave 125th street / 12th avenue on weekdays between 6:57 and 7:37pm (6:57, 7:07, 17, 27, 37) but there are no locals between them... A local departs 149th/3rd av at 7:36 then there's a huge gap until 8:27 pm when the next Local stops at 149th street (this Local departs from 12th Av/125th st)!!! They must have either forgotten to put local s between them or scheduled this timeframe badly.... Also, local schedule effective 6/30 is up: http://www.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/bronx/bx041cur.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limitednyc Posted June 27, 2013 Share #100 Posted June 27, 2013 What I don't get is that why are there 5 Limited s that leave 125th street / 12th avenue on weekdays between 6:57 and 7:37pm (6:57, 7:07, 17, 27, 37) but there are no locals between them... A local departs 149th/3rd av at 7:36 then there's a huge gap until 8:27 pm when the next Local stops at 149th street (this Local departs from 12th Av/125th st)!!! They must have either forgotten to put local s between them or scheduled this timeframe badly.... Also, local schedule effective 6/30 is up: http://www.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/bronx/bx041cur.pdf it's probably a print era, there is a way to check trip planner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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