B to Brighton Posted October 10, 2012 Share #26 Posted October 10, 2012 I don't want to turn it on a "Post your stripmap" but, well, here is my ideia, i know it has some mistakes, just ignore it please. I just wanted to show if the problem on the R142 are the strip-maps here is how i would fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted October 10, 2012 Share #27 Posted October 10, 2012 Not bad at all. Good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowblock Posted October 10, 2012 Share #28 Posted October 10, 2012 I could have sworn the R142 manual listed the # of strip map lights, but I can't find it. It's either 65 or 70. And there's only ONE row of lights. If you want them to install new strip map lights, you might as well have them put in the FINDs instead. Lets raise the fare to $2.50 right now to pay for this, and then see how badly the public still wants them...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted October 10, 2012 Share #29 Posted October 10, 2012 I don't want to turn it on a "Post your stripmap" but, well, here is my ideia, i know it has some mistakes, just ignore it please. I just wanted to show if the problem on the R142 are the strip-maps here is how i would fix it. Looks great, except that the runs via local along Broadway-Seven Avenue at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted October 10, 2012 Share #30 Posted October 10, 2012 That is very good. That's what I would have thought of, except as was pointed out, there is only one row of lights, and to add another would mean replacing all those units (and probably rewiring and reprogramming), which would probably be costly, and you almost might as well add FINDS. (Also, the current maps don't have the running local either. Really, it would be best to just have FIND's). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowblock Posted October 10, 2012 Share #31 Posted October 10, 2012 When the R142's first debuted, the ran express in Manhattan 24/7, so there was no point in putting local stops on there. On your fantasy strip map, is there really any point in separating the two Brooklyn routes? They both do the same stops, just have the not have all the stops lit when it's running express (and Clark and Hoyt would never be lit). Also, it doesn't say Atlantic-Barclays. Considering that the MTA took the time/money to reprint all of the fasttrack posters just so they would say Barclays on them, somebody at Ops Planning would probably get fired if they handed in a strip map like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted October 10, 2012 Share #32 Posted October 10, 2012 Another idea would be to keep Lance's idea, but to have lights in the back of the Seventh Avenue Express and Lexington Avenue Express. If it is running on whatever line it could be lit so it doesn't cause confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewJC Posted October 11, 2012 Share #33 Posted October 11, 2012 There isn't enough room. Yes there is. The 2 makes 49 stops (not including the Manhattan local stops, which the current map doesn't include). The 5 makes 15 additional stops not shared with the 2. That's a total of 61 distinct stops. Since there are more than 61 lights available, the system as it exists today can support a combined 2/5 map that assigns each light to only one station. The and stop at the same stations in Bronx between East 180th Street and Grand Concourse & in Brooklyn between Franklin Avenue and Brooklyn College-Flatbush Avenue. I think those station should be combined together while the rest of the stations are all separated to the Broadway-7 Av Express and Lexington Av Express sections respectively. Bingo, and between Borough Hall and Franklin Avenue, every 5 stop is shared by the 2. I hope you're joking. You'd really rather have no strip maps at all? The redbirds had strip maps in the ad panels above the storm doors. (Not illuminated stop-by-stop, of course.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted October 11, 2012 Share #34 Posted October 11, 2012 The 2 was local at night long before R142s came onto the scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowblock Posted October 11, 2012 Share #35 Posted October 11, 2012 The 2 began doing overnight local service in Sept 1999, and the R142s were already on the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted October 12, 2012 Share #36 Posted October 12, 2012 Long before was a poor choice in words, but the first R142s saw service in July of 2000, so the 2 was still local at night before they ended up in service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quill Depot Posted October 12, 2012 Share #37 Posted October 12, 2012 Count the number of lights during your commute... gives ya something to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted October 12, 2012 Share #38 Posted October 12, 2012 The redbirds had strip maps in the ad panels above the storm doors. (Not illuminated stop-by-stop, of course.) As per the R62/As, I'm assuming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted October 12, 2012 Share #39 Posted October 12, 2012 Same concept, but the map itself was a different shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Express Posted October 12, 2012 Share #40 Posted October 12, 2012 I don't want to turn it on a "Post your stripmap" but, well, here is my ideia, i know it has some mistakes, just ignore it please. I just wanted to show if the problem on the R142 are the strip-maps here is how i would fix it. This would probably the best way to do it. Excellent job. In the R33 days, they had something similar to this. Pretty smart of the huh? That is very good. That's what I would have thought of, except as was pointed out, there is only one row of lights, and to add another would mean replacing all those units (and probably rewiring and reprogramming), which would probably be costly, and you almost might as well add FINDS. (Also, the current maps don't have the running local either. Really, it would be best to just have FIND's). Exactly. These cars should have gotten FINDs in the R142A Overhaul/R188. The reason I love them is that they have endless possibilities for reroutes. Sure you could say that the R142 does too. But like the R46, it will not display the stops. A FIND will. to Coney Island? to Whitehall? You got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted October 13, 2012 Share #41 Posted October 13, 2012 If I'm not mistaken, there are around 65 LED lights behind those cardboard strip maps on the 142(A)s and the full 2 line has 61 stops. It'll fit, but it would be a tight squeeze, especially towards the ends of the maps what with those directional lights above them. As for the one I designed and was posted up-thread, I admit it is quite a bit confusing, but I'd imagine they would use something similar as I don't see them making too many modifications to the 142s, like adding a second line of LEDs for the strips for example. It's almost a shame they didn't include those LED displays that are on the 143s that show various tidbits of info onto the 142s. They could've incorporated some sort of pseudo-FIND into the programming, but whatever. When I was an intern and saw the R143 mockup with one of the engineers(late 90s), he told me that the original concept for those led signs on the 143s was more than what they're used for(mostly psa and metrocard ads). Their ideas was to show weather, headlines, delays,etc. But ofcourse that never happened and was dropped for the FINDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewJC Posted October 14, 2012 Share #42 Posted October 14, 2012 As per the R62/As, I'm assuming? Look directly above the storm door: http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?3699 http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?4068 Exactly. These cars should have gotten FINDs in the R142A Overhaul/R188. The R188's are specifically in alternating 5-car and 6-car sets and are going to be equipped with the unique CBTC system for the Flushing line. Why waste money equipping them with FIND? They will only run on the 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 14, 2012 Share #43 Posted October 14, 2012 The R188's are specifically in alternating 5-car and 6-car sets and are going to be equipped with the unique CBTC system for the Flushing line. Why waste money equipping them with FIND? They will only run on the 7. So says Mr. .... For someone who claims that they don't work for the you sure do seem awfully certain of yourself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted October 14, 2012 Share #44 Posted October 14, 2012 You have another idea as to where they are going to run eleven car trains of A division cars which are equipped with Flushing CBTC equipment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Posted October 14, 2012 Share #45 Posted October 14, 2012 Maybe they will put them over the switch at Queensboro and send them to Ditmars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewJC Posted October 14, 2012 Share #46 Posted October 14, 2012 So says Mr. .... For someone who claims that they don't work for the you sure do seem awfully certain of yourself... Pardon me for using my brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted October 15, 2012 Share #47 Posted October 15, 2012 Pardon me for using my brain. Ignore him. To people like him, insults will always solve their matters. Smh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 15, 2012 Share #48 Posted October 15, 2012 Pardon me for using my brain. We've all seen things be changed by the last minute, so like I said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted October 15, 2012 Share #49 Posted October 15, 2012 But they're not going to need 11 car trains anywhere else on the IRT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lance Posted October 15, 2012 Share #50 Posted October 15, 2012 So says Mr. .... For someone who claims that they don't work for the you sure do seem awfully certain of yourself... I'm not sure where you're going with that comment. It's pretty much common knowledge around this forum that the 188s will run in five- and six-car sets to make a full 11-car train, just like it is now with the 62As. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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