engineerboy6561 Posted October 10, 2012 Share #26 Posted October 10, 2012 Here's the thing; if the reincarnated PBLs were more efficient and less top-heavy than the MTA, and more focused on vehicle safety and reliability (including maintenance) than they were originally, then by all means they should return and by all means let the MTA deal with a little competitiion (who knows, it might actually lead to citywide improved service). That said, if I'm to go on what B35 and others have said, a lot of the Brooklyn and Queens PBLs were notoriously unreliable, maintained their vehicles less than Fung Wah does, and in certain cases (the Q53 and the B103 come to mind) seriously underserved their respective rider bases. Based on that I'd say that I'd be more than happy to see Liberty Lines, probably NYBS, and possibly QSC come back but I'd rather let the MTA keep most of the other ex-private lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted October 10, 2012 Share #27 Posted October 10, 2012 If anything IMO as i stated before the only way private bus service should return to NYC is this possiblity. Only on the Manhattan "express' routes. Meaning the would still own and operate the routes i.e All "X" and "BXM/BM/QM routes but contracted to 1-2 private companies. Just an idea and not endorsing it. Sort of how NJ Transit contracts out to Coach USA and Lakeland for running a few lines in the state.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QM1to6Ave Posted October 10, 2012 Share #28 Posted October 10, 2012 If anything IMO as i stated before the only way private bus service should return to NYC is this possiblity. Only on the Manhattan "express' routes. Meaning the would still own and operate the routes i.e All "X" and "BXM/BM/QM routes but contracted to 1-2 private companies. Just an idea and not endorsing it. Sort of how NJ Transit contracts out to Coach USA and Lakeland for running a few lines in the state.. Interesting idea in theory. But in reality that would lead to massive layoffs if the MTA suddenly did not need to cover all of the EXp routes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted October 10, 2012 Share #29 Posted October 10, 2012 Not to mention that a lot of those PBL express lines have also improved dramatically under the MTA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted October 10, 2012 Share #30 Posted October 10, 2012 Everything is improving under the MTA. Used to have to wait sometimes close to or more than an hour for a bus to show up. Then there were some periods where the buses were showing up and then nothing for a while. The maintance was bad especially at Triboro Coach, and Green Lines. At that time in 2004 and 2005 the newest bus of the PBL the 1997-1999 at Triboro were breaking down a lot. Some people say that the NYBS,LL and QSC should return but I say it doesn't any sense, I would rather everything be operated the same so there is no confusions. This MTAB and NYCT merger is taking forever though, I can't wait until all the buses say New York City Bus, have standard Bus signs, guide a rides and routes can go to any depot. Like the Q20 Q76, Q13 can go to CP. the Q64 could go to CS. The Q112 could go to JA and so on. Isn't it dumb that the MTA doesn't want to change all MTAB signs to the newer ones and take the old signs off the phone or light poles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted October 10, 2012 Share #31 Posted October 10, 2012 Bus stop signs are the responsibility of the NYCDOT. MTA is responsible for Guide-A-Ride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted October 10, 2012 Share #32 Posted October 10, 2012 Bus stop signs are the responsibility of the NYCDOT. MTA is responsible for Guide-A-Ride So the MTA should tell the DOT to update the signs. I say they should be MTA's responsibility. I guess they won't be changed unless people complain right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted October 10, 2012 Share #33 Posted October 10, 2012 kill this topic it's obvious we do not want the privates back getting schedule info from multiple places in one boro is a hassle PBL WILL NEVER RETURN DROP IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanTheTransitMan Posted October 10, 2012 Share #34 Posted October 10, 2012 You guys just like the pretty colors right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted October 10, 2012 Share #35 Posted October 10, 2012 I'd just want the paint schemes back.I love real colors not just black and blue with some white! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion VII 4 Life Posted October 10, 2012 Share #36 Posted October 10, 2012 If anything IMO as i stated before the only way private bus service should return to NYC is this possiblity. Only on the Manhattan "express' routes. Meaning the would still own and operate the routes i.e All "X" and "BXM/BM/QM routes but contracted to 1-2 private companies. Just an idea and not endorsing it. Sort of how NJ Transit contracts out to Coach USA and Lakeland for running a few lines in the state.. NJT really contracts local routes only out to Coach USA, Academy, and Veolia in some areas. The Coach USA and Academy-branded (contract operations operate under the NJT brand), Lakeland, Decamp, etc. operations are directly controlled by the PBLs. Any bus that doesn't carry the NJT brand is directly-controlled by the PBL, even if the bus is owned by NJT. As far as doing something like that with the MTA goes, I don't see why that would be necessary. The express operations run fine under the MTA right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obregonmichael5 Posted October 10, 2012 Author Share #37 Posted October 10, 2012 No WAY!!! The has improved service a lot and we dont need to go back to that era of unreliable service. You would almost kill yourself sometimes just waiting for the Q8,Q9,Q41, Q22, Q19, Q102, B100, BM4 and the BM5(BQM1). If they went back to PBL days there will be no bustime, no Guide A Rides, Limited schedule information and so on. It was better that they all came part of the . The few routes in the PBL that had good service was the Q10, Q64(Q65A), Q110,Q111,Q113 and Q66 sometimes. but what if the PBL was controlled by thye ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanTheTransitMan Posted October 10, 2012 Share #38 Posted October 10, 2012 but what if the PBL was controlled by thye ? It is, it's called the MTA bus company if you hadn't heard about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obregonmichael5 Posted October 10, 2012 Author Share #39 Posted October 10, 2012 It is, it's called the MTA bus company if you hadn't heard about it. i do. what i meant was the paint scheme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted October 11, 2012 Share #40 Posted October 11, 2012 lets not live in the past, K... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depotofrelax Posted October 11, 2012 Share #41 Posted October 11, 2012 Bring back the Liberty Lines. All other depot should be leave alone. Saying. But bring back the Liberty Lines. The Yonkers Depot were former Liberty Lines. All other depot leave alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion VII 4 Life Posted October 11, 2012 Share #42 Posted October 11, 2012 Bring back the Liberty Lines. All other depot should be leave alone. Saying. But bring back the Liberty Lines. The Yonkers Depot were former Liberty Lines. All other depot leave alone. Liberty Lines is still around, they operate the Bee-Line buses in Westchester under contract to the county. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted October 11, 2012 Share #43 Posted October 11, 2012 Stand Clear of the Closing Post Please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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